Ypudding Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 So here's a new twist to my efforts to gain entry into Australia. I'm informed I may not have enough points to emigrate and work in Australia but have enough to get into New Zealand!!! So from reading bits and bats last night I can see IF I got a sponsored skilled visa in NZ which led to residence then permanent residence after 2 years, I could after 5 years apply for citizenship of NZ. At that point what's stopping me living and working in Australia as a NZ citizen? ? As they are entitled to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainC Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Nothing to stop you doing that at all. Unless they close the loophole in the years until you can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb65 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Nothing to stop you doing that at all. Unless they close the loophole in the years until you can do it. And who knows the OP might like NZ so much after 5 years may not even make it to Australia. Suggest the OP reads up about some limitations on NZ citizens living and working in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainC Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 And who knows the OP might like NZ so much after 5 years may not even make it to Australia. Suggest the OP reads up about some limitations on NZ citizens living and working in Australia. Yes, a NZ citizen arrives on a temporary residency visa and is limited as to what they can do, what benefits they are entitled to and where they can work. Recently, there has been an announcement introducing a new pathway for NZ citizens to become permanent residents. At this time, I don't know any details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Your right, yes I might like it and stay should I be successful. I'm just pondering at the moment, and Australia has an obvious draw to me because I have family already living there. Thanks for the feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainC Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Your right, yes I might like it and stay should I be successful. I'm just pondering at the moment, and Australia has an obvious draw to me because I have family already living there. Thanks for the feedback I don't know your circumstances, but you may be able to make the points in the future rather than going through such a long winded process. What points are you getting at the moment, and for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Problem is Captain I'm 44yrs old, turn 45 at the end of April, at that stage I lose the points for age and don't qualify I've wasted years trying to get my Girlfriend to go, she would qualify easily but she's not interested grrr. I've Looked at 189,190,489 type sponsored visas (family and state) but there are issues on each one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainC Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Problem is Captain I'm 44yrs old, turn 45 at the end of April, at that stage I lose the points for age and don't qualify I've wasted years trying to get my Girlfriend to go, she would qualify easily but she's not interested grrr. I've Looked at 189,190,489 type sponsored visas (family and state) but there are issues on each one of them. Do you fail the points test even if you took the IELTS and got the 20 extra points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 The 20 points is for superior English, I doubt many will pass that easily. I'm waiting for the report from the emigration specialist to come through to see what they have to say. I did put a initial application through the skills select and was invited to submit an expression of interest, so yet again conflicting feedback from two different parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 So here's a new twist to my efforts to gain entry into Australia. I'm informed I may not have enough points to emigrate and work in Australia but have enough to get into New Zealand!!! So from reading bits and bats last night I can see IF I got a sponsored skilled visa in NZ which led to residence then permanent residence after 2 years, I could after 5 years apply for citizenship of NZ. At that point what's stopping me living and working in Australia as a NZ citizen? ? As they are entitled to do. The way I look at it, if you can get to NZ then you're a heck of a lot closer to your family in Australia - so even if you ultimately don't get to live in Australia, you'll be able to see a lot more of them. Let's face it, if you're in Auckland and your famiy are in Sydney, you'll be closer to them than if you moved to Perth or Darwin! I'd go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainC Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The 20 points is for superior English, I doubt many will pass that easily. I'm waiting for the report from the emigration specialist to come through to see what they have to say. I did put a initial application through the skills select and was invited to submit an expression of interest, so yet again conflicting feedback from two different parties. It's not simple, but what is? If you are a native English speaker and do the practice tests then you can pass it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 The 20 points is for superior English, I doubt many will pass that easily. I'm waiting for the report from the emigration specialist to come through to see what they have to say. I did put a initial application through the skills select and was invited to submit an expression of interest, so yet again conflicting feedback from two different parties. Don't quite get that - you don't get invited to submit an EOI, you get invited to apply for the visa after submitting an EOI - the EOI is something you submit on yoiur own initiative once you have your skills assessment etc. ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 The way I look at it, if you can get to NZ then you're a heck of a lot closer to your family in Australia - so even if you ultimately don't get to live in Australia, you'll be able to see a lot more of them. Let's face it, if you're in Auckland and your famiy are in Sydney, you'll be closer to them than if you moved to Perth or Darwin! I'd go for it. I was thinking the same. Although it does seem a bit bizarre that you'd want to live somewhere else to move to another country. I have friends in New Zealand and they love it and would never move to Oz so you may be surprised?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I worked with a few people who migrated to NZ, waited for the two years or whatever it is, then came to Australia. They were mainly Fijian Indians. They all said it was their main aim and found life (for them) better in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 NZ is doing very well at the moment with lots of kiwis heading home for opportunities there - if you can get in and there is work available for you, that could be a good option and as others have pointed out, in Australian terms you're practically round the corner (we'll commutable for the weekend anyhow). I love NZ and would have happily moved there instead of Brisbane if there had been work for me at the time but it is no longer a cheap country and if you're heading over for the climate you could be disappointed. I suppose the question is would you prefer NZ to UK even if a move to Oz permanently wasn't viable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzy--bee Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 The technicalities of this emigration path are as follows - A PR of NZ can apply for citizenship of NZ after 5 years (so 5.5 years probably to actually get the passport). As a NZ citizen you can then live and work in Australia indefinitely temporarily. You can never become PR in Australia, never get Citizenship, be ineligible for many benefits and a "grey area" for lots of other things, including mortgages and insurance. The recent changes grandfathered NZ citizens who had been here for 5 years + and earned over $53k each of those 5 years. They do not apply to anyone arriving from now on. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pb65 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 NZ is doing very well at the moment with lots of kiwis heading home for opportunities there - if you can get in and there is work available for you, that could be a good option and as others have pointed out, in Australian terms you're practically round the corner (we'll commutable for the weekend anyhow). I love NZ and would have happily moved there instead of Brisbane if there had been work for me at the time but it is no longer a cheap country and if you're heading over for the climate you could be disappointed. I suppose the question is would you prefer NZ to UK even if a move to Oz permanently wasn't viable? Not knowing what the Ops occupation is depends ultimately in this plan how transportable that might be UK to NZ to OZ also by time OP gets NZ visa then waits around for NZ citizenship Op will be early 50s so whilst no where near ready for retirement pension mobility still starts to be a longer term consideration. Also lets not forget although most people can be in denial older you get employment opportunities depending on what field you are in can see some discrimination creeping in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada2Australia Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 This is the route I woul have taken if I didn't get my 457 for OZ. I got my two-year WHV and could have landed a job there, did my time to get at least PR status and then head to OZ. I still have my NZ WHV as a "just in case" should things go south in OZ, but I'm hoping not to excersise that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 by time OP gets NZ visa then waits around for NZ citizenship Op will be early 50s ... I was going to make a similar point. That is very late in life to be uprooting and it may have a deleterious effect on any retirement plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 My mistake Nemesis, yes I submitted the EOI then it suggested I make an application....I've been on night shifts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Quite late in life Quikla this is very true, however the power industry in the UK is on it's knees, it's going like the coal and steel industries. Redundancy is just around the corner for me. I am financially secure (ish), no debts, a house that's paid for and a final salary pension that starts paying out when I reach 50! (hope that doesn't sound big headed) Though a move to NZ wouldn't be my first choice it is an option that would potentially give me 5yr + wages and access to Australia where my family members live. And who knows maybe it's an option that would make me fall in love with NZ and not want to leave. Ultimately I could get another 15+ yrs work should I choose to carry on. My big concern is my son who turns 18 this month, he wants to go but I'm worried he will feel isolated and want to return to the UK, everything else I will deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 My mistake Nemesis, yes I submitted the EOI then it suggested I make an application....I've been on night shifts! So you have actually had an invite to apply, and its only now that you've discovered you don't have enough points? Thats a shame, all that cash gone on skills assessments etc and now you can't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMeDownUnder Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Why don't you just take the English test and see what score you get? You never know.... You can definitely improve your score with a little guidance (even without improving your English). The cost is small fry compared to moving. Lessons to get 20 points (if you require them) is also easier than sitting it out in NZ for 5 years. Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ypudding Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 I had the invite to apply last year and didn't act on it, I'd not done any skills assessment when I got the invite it was something i read about just after. Last year I wasn't in a position to leave work, redundancy has forced that issue and released my pension early, my terms of the pension mean it's released at 50. So in short all I have paid out is £90 for an emigration company to look over my options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzcrave Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Nothing to stop you doing that at all. Unless they close the loophole in the years until you can do it. Haha funny @CaptainC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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