MARYROSE02 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Chatswood is a rapidly changing demographic area so hardly surprising. Every part of Sydney Is the same, new blocks of units and housing estates further out. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Every part of Sydney Is the same, new blocks of units and housing estates further out. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk For the moment. But you quoted Chatswood. Over a quarter of the population would be born in China/Honkers/Taiwan and fair bet a lot of foreign overseas buyers would be speculating in that suburb among others of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 all true, which begs the question, what is to be done. we can do the luddite and smash the looms wanting to go back to the old ways, or we can adapt. infact there isnt this choice, this is australian society. like it or not it's gonna happen, adapt or die. You can either accept it and continue to adapt to the role that Capitalism awards you, which is to be paid less and less whilst the capitalists gets richer and richer by selling you more and more useless things on credit or you can start and demand that politics is reformed by introducing state funded political parties and the prohibition of politicians from doing any other work than representing their parliamentary constituency and outlawing lobbying of politicians by anybody other than constituents. These changes are needed to restore democracy and make politics represent citizens rather than vested interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 well, I was just sent this link and I thought I'd share it. Interesting numbers and graphs that may tell you something https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_in_Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 You can either accept it and continue to adapt to the role that Capitalism awards you, which is to be paid less and less whilst the capitalists gets richer and richer by selling you more and more useless things on credit or you can start and demand that politics is reformed by introducing state funded political parties and the prohibition of politicians from doing any other work than representing their parliamentary constituency and outlawing lobbying of politicians by anybody other than constituents.These changes are needed to restore democracy and make politics represent citizens rather than vested interests. The Freemasons and the Illuminati will still control everything. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Freemasons and the Illuminati will still control everything. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Cant stop laughing at this. I am a Master Mason and can say I only wish we had all this power - we wouldn't be in the situation many of us are in. Most of the members of my lodge are unemployed at the moment and really struggling. If we wielded all this power, then I would love to know why the Grand Master of West Australia works in a factory for close to minimum wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Cant stop laughing at this. I am a Master Mason and can say I only wish we had all this power - we wouldn't be in the situation many of us are in. Most of the members of my lodge are unemployed at the moment and really struggling. If we wielded all this power, then I would love to know why the Grand Master of West Australia works in a factory for close to minimum wage. :eek: Aren't you supposed to keep this sort of thing secret? You'll be debagged at the next meeting now..... thrown out of the Magic Circle...oh sorry, wrong group, still, same sort of consequences I'm sure... :tongue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flybyknight Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 You can either accept it and continue to adapt to the role that Capitalism awards you, which is to be paid less and less whilst the capitalists gets richer and richer by selling you more and more useless things on credit or you can start and demand that politics is reformed by introducing state funded political parties and the prohibition of politicians from doing any other work than representing their parliamentary constituency and outlawing lobbying of politicians by anybody other than constituents.These changes are needed to restore democracy and make politics represent citizens rather than vested interests. correct again, and thanks for pointing out the fundamental problem here. The people of Australia the UK and the USA clearly don't live in a democracy, we live in a plutocracy. the only party i've heard mention reform so far are the greens, and most aussies are so brainwashed into hating the greens the system will never be reformed. plutocracy, i hate it, you hate it, im pretty sure most aussies hate it, but it's never gonna change. we can but try to adapt. Plutocracy (from Greek πλοῦτος, ploutos, meaning "wealth", and κράτος, kratos, meaning "power, dominion, rule") or plutarchy, is a form of oligarchy and defines a society ruled or controlled by the small minority of the wealthiest citizens. The first known use of the term was in 1652.[1] Unlike systems such as democracy, capitalism, socialism or anarchism, plutocracy is not rooted in an established political philosophy. The concept of plutocracy may be advocated by the wealthy classes of a society in an indirect or surreptitious fashion, though the term itself is almost always used in a pejorative sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 :eek: Aren't you supposed to keep this sort of thing secret? You'll be debagged at the next meeting now..... thrown out of the Magic Circle...oh sorry, wrong group, still, same sort of consequences I'm sure... :tongue: Lol, no. In fact, most lodges have open days once a year where you can have a look around and chat to members. We are not a secret society (contrary to what people think), we are a society with some secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Cant stop laughing at this. I am a Master Mason and can say I only wish we had all this power - we wouldn't be in the situation many of us are in. Most of the members of my lodge are unemployed at the moment and really struggling. If we wielded all this power, then I would love to know why the Grand Master of West Australia works in a factory for close to minimum wage. The Catholics wield the real power, above the Illuminati who are above the Masons and within the Catholics themselves I'm not sure if it's Opus Dei or the Jesuits? What is Tony Abbott? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Lol, no. In fact, most lodges have open days once a year where you can have a look around and chat to members. We are not a secret society (contrary to what people think), we are a society with some secrets. But if you don't have any real power what is the point of joining? If you just want to hang out with guys then join a men's shed group. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 But if you don't have any real power what is the point of joining? If you just want to hang out with guys then join a men's shed group. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Basically yes. Social life and perceptions of WA improved no end, going on earlier posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 correct again, and thanks for pointing out the fundamental problem here. The people of Australia the UK and the USA clearly don't live in a democracy, we live in a plutocracy. the only party i've heard mention reform so far are the greens, and most aussies are so brainwashed into hating the greens the system will never be reformed. plutocracy, i hate it, you hate it, im pretty sure most aussies hate it, but it's never gonna change. we can but try to adapt. /QUOTE] would be logical to assume to seek the solution if the problem is know. But question is what would be the perfect system? Because as long as greed and power hunger exist in this world nothing will change. Just to ad to the fire, what do I read today? "Cabinet document reveals Turnbull Government under pressure to change industrial relations laws" http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/cabinet-document-reveals-turnbull-government-under-pressure-to-change-industrial-relations-laws/ar-AAg1e41?li=AA4RE4 isn't this a prime example to "plutocracy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Cant stop laughing at this. I am a Master Mason and can say I only wish we had all this power - we wouldn't be in the situation many of us are in. Most of the members of my lodge are unemployed at the moment and really struggling. If we wielded all this power, then I would love to know why the Grand Master of West Australia works in a factory for close to minimum wage. I hope your role at the lodge isn't in new member recruitment. You're not going to get on very well if all you're offering is the chance to network with the unemployed and those on close to minimum wage! I'm sure they're nice people to chat with but come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Freemasonry has lots of elements to it. Probably the biggest is charity work. Each lodge supports different charities as well as supporting a couple that are state wide. For example, my lodge supports a local women's refuge and we supply kits of essentials for women and kids (the kids kit includes a teddy bear). We also support a school for disabled kids and a scheme that provides apprenticeships for disadvantaged kids. We have a social side - at each meeting we have a dinner and a couple of drinks and crack jokes and things and often host guests from local national and international lodges. There is also a range of associations / activities that cover everything from a caravan club to sports. We have of course a ceremonial aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 great! I am coming to the next one! Wait, but I am not allowed, I am a woman! Oh I'll send my hubby..wait, he might not meet the entry requirements despite the fact that he does.... :-) not to make fun of anything - my intention was (jedi Maggie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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