fish.01 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 An obvious over supply. Of course it goes in cycles so there is but one destination...but if we moan about no construction and then moan when there is too much we'd be doing nothing but moaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 An obvious over supply. So there are going to be a massive number of empty appartments and homes in the near future? Sydney needs over 600,000 new homes in the next 15 years, and planners are turning to inner city-style terraces to maximise land use. (Robertson, 2015). References Robertson, J. (2015, November 28/29). Terrace living to fan out. The Sydney Morning Herald: p.7. A good opportunity for me to practice my APA style referencing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 That may be your issue, but nothing to do with liberal minded people. What is wanted is an end to the Ponzi immigration scheme that the housing arena has come to rely on, the rorts concerning foreign workers, along with strict enforcement of overseas property buying laws. If this is true, for Sydney, then there will be two types of home construction carried out simultaneously; homes for the expanding population, and homes which will remain empty for eternity, although why anybody would buy homes on that basis, I don't know. I see you are still beating your Gillard/union inspired drum about the alleged wrongness of the 457 visa system, yet I know many people here on 457 visas and they all seem to have been recruited to do skilled jobs that can't be filled by Australians. Why would both emigrant and employer go through the time and expense if there were people able to do the jobs here in OZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Interesting article here http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/are-the-four-horsemen-of-the-economic-apocalypse-here/news-story/3c2823e9d179b37f90edd0ba3301e33e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 You see skilled industries dying off:automobile industry.....gone machining and metalworking...gone, dying steel industry..dying, mills are closing bodybuilding....gone, dying defense spending..filling and supporting the growth of foreign industries (like the Japanese will build the next submarines for Australia) farming and agriculture..dying because of cheap imports and land used for other purposes (fertile lands sold to Chinese mining companies who destroy the land, take the resources and leave environmental catastrophes behind) textile and supporting industries..gone (now everything is made in Pakistan) mining...slowing (years of undervalued/undersold resources and foreign ownership/ management are finally hitting home) That's a long list of industries that predominantly use unskilled labour that are in decline (and not just in Australia). Obviously that's a bad thing but to support your premise can you give us any examples of skilled industries that Australian politicians are targeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Of course it goes in cycles so there is but one destination...but if we moan about no construction and then moan when there is too much we'd be doing nothing but moaning Even more the case to moan about construction not wanted. Build apartments by all means, but build them to standard. Too much crap is being built in Australia, in prime locations, that few outside of international students are likely to want to live. Developing for developers sake, making a shoddy product, in order to make a fast buck is not in the public interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 That's a long list of industries that predominantly use unskilled labour that are in decline (and not just in Australia). Obviously that's a bad thing but to support your premise can you give us any examples of skilled industries that Australian politicians are targeting? There is a host of white collar jobs, that will become increasing redundant in coming years. Robotic technology will replace many. Quite a few in the field of accounts will be surplus to requirements as the march of progress....marches on. Not necessary politicians, but business to whom government appear to prioritise, apart from the nuisance of elections intervening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 If this is true, for Sydney, then there will be two types of home construction carried out simultaneously; homes for the expanding population, and homes which will remain empty for eternity, although why anybody would buy homes on that basis, I don't know. I see you are still beating your Gillard/union inspired drum about the alleged wrongness of the 457 visa system, yet I know many people here on 457 visas and they all seem to have been recruited to do skilled jobs that can't be filled by Australians. Why would both emigrant and employer go through the time and expense if there were people able to do the jobs here in OZ? Not alleged very obvious to anyone that reaches out seeking truth. The 457 system has been rorted for cost effective reasons. Listen I've been down this road with you before. The obvious ability to obtain a work force, qualified at some one else's expense , with few rights outside the agreed , generally passive and reliant to employer owing to visa. Not forgetting those of limited skills recruited to work in construction and tourism as examples but goes far wider. Australia has certainly got 'around' the ability to bring in workers , many that would not qualify for a normal working visa, so not missing out as much as would compared to Europe/UK. Shame you are not on top of the game being played out and constantly hark back to Unions/Gillard. I'm beginning to wonder if my contribution dollars towards mature education is indeed being well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 So there are going to be a massive number of empty appartments and homes in the near future? Sydney needs over 600,000 new homes in the next 15 years, and planners are turning to inner city-style terraces to maximise land use. (Robertson, 2015). References Robertson, J. (2015, November 28/29). Terrace living to fan out. The Sydney Morning Herald: p.7. A good opportunity for me to practice my APA style referencing! There is if the type of accommodation desired is not being built. Cheaply built, expensive, developers telling us what we want does not necessary amount to very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Even more the case to moan about construction not wanted. Build apartments by all means, but build them to standard. Too much crap is being built in Australia, in prime locations, that few outside of international students are likely to want to live. Developing for developers sake, making a shoddy product, in order to make a fast buck is not in the public interest. Yes, though I would not like to tar all of these with that brush, some are great, some not so and all in-between. Many student specific towers are being built in addition to these due to a special discount to attract more construction for students as Brisbane has a shortage. Newspapers are reporting the construction boom has come at the right time to tide over some of the construction workers returning from mining. The supply will certainly dampen rent increases over the next few years which can't be a bad thing. Also looking forward to all the ground level activation the brisbane city council insists on coming on stream, plus the number of people living inner city taking another huge boost upwards. As well as this area South Brisbane is going gangbusters as well. Even outer suburban shopping areas 12-15km have been busy bulking up with density around the large shopping malls, Chermside, Upper Mt Gravatt, Indooroopilly and Carbondale. Brisbane has been undergoing a significant shift to the next density level during this cycle. Edited November 29, 2015 by fish.01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yes, though I would not like to tar all of these with that brush, some are great, some not so and all in-between. Many student specific towers are being built in addition to these due to a special discount to attract more construction for students as Brisbane has a shortage. Newspapers are reporting the construction boom has come at the right time to tide over some of the construction workers returning from mining. The supply will certainly dampen rent increases over the next few years which can't be a bad thing. Also looking forward to all the ground level activation the brisbane city council insists on coming on stream, plus the number of people living inner city taking another huge boost upwards. As well as this area South Brisbane is going gangbusters as well. Even outer suburban shopping areas 12-15km have been busy bulking up with density around the large shopping malls, Chermside, Upper Mt Gravatt, Indooroopilly and Carbondale. Brisbane has been undergoing a significant shift to the next density level during this cycle. Perth was similar until recent times as well. It does not take long to unwind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Perth was similar until recent times as well. It does not take long to unwind. We have been on a totally different cycle to Perth. While Perth prices were rising a few years ago ours went backwards post 2011 or flatlined, even during the mining boom. The Gold Coast went flat and things have been ticking along in a subdued state for quite a number of years. This kept Brisbane prices very lower in comparison to other states and the Sydney/Brisbane and Sydney/Gold Coast price gap zoomed out again. The Gold Coast now has a new raft of proposals and UC's and a new found confidence leading up to the commonwealth games. The new light rail system has attracted quite a number of developers, foreign and local, and a proposed new $1billion theme park is currently being negotiated with the queensland govt. Brisbane has a pile of city tallies UC or fully pre-sold and masses of inner city density already up with much more UC and proposals flying in. The $3 billion Queens Wharf announcement with construction commencing next year and lasting until 2022 was a real kick and has kept things bubbling with hoteliers grabbing nearby sites and "maybe" proposals being green lighted. I watch Perth development and it has not been close to this level but of course goes through similar cycles. And the cycle will end. They all do. I guess predicting the year and month that will happen is far more prescient than predicting that it will. No point us focusing on the negative of a natural cycle or we would be depressed during the top and bottom of every cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Perhaps living in Canberra has one advantage, that news filter out. For an everyday Joe it is a bad place to be and especially for those who see the massive bureaucracy in play. Australians really do not know how government workers and their friends live here "la vida loca". Good jobs stay withing friends and family. But that is besides the point. You have to be stupid to fall into the fake ads (like the open trade agreement with China is good for us). So you wonder what is the underlying mission of the big players (often rich politicians wanting to get even richer). You see skilled industries dying off: automobile industry.....gone machining and metalworking...gone, dying steel industry..dying, mills are closing bodybuilding....gone, dying defense spending..filling and supporting the growth of foreign industries (like the Japanese will build the next submarines for Australia) farming and agriculture..dying because of cheap imports and land used for other purposes (fertile lands sold to Chinese mining companies who destroy the land, take the resources and leave environmental catastrophes behind) textile and supporting industries..gone (now everything is made in Pakistan) mining...slowing (years of undervalued/undersold resources and foreign ownership/ management are finally hitting home) Are the politicians deliberately killing off skilled work to mass allow influx of immigrants? Or is there something even more sinister in play? What do you think? No its globalisation ....and its driving down hard won terms and conditions..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Even more the case to moan about construction not wanted. Build apartments by all means, but build them to standard. Too much crap is being built in Australia, in prime locations, that few outside of international students are likely to want to live. Developing for developers sake, making a shoddy product, in order to make a fast buck is not in the public interest. Are apartment blocks being built that do not comply to Govt safety standards then? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 There is a host of white collar jobs, that will become increasing redundant in coming years. Robotic technology will replace many. Quite a few in the field of accounts will be surplus to requirements as the march of progress....marches on. Not necessary politicians, but business to whom government appear to prioritise, apart from the nuisance of elections intervening. Heard all this before, paperless office, yawn no more jobs yawn. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not alleged very obvious to anyone that reaches out seeking truth. The 457 system has been rorted for cost effective reasons. Listen I've been down this road with you before. The obvious ability to obtain a work force, qualified at some one else's expense , with few rights outside the agreed , generally passive and reliant to employer owing to visa. Not forgetting those of limited skills recruited to work in construction and tourism as examples but goes far wider. Australia has certainly got 'around' the ability to bring in workers , many that would not qualify for a normal working visa, so not missing out as much as would compared to Europe/UK. Shame you are not on top of the game being played out and constantly hark back to Unions/Gillard. I'm beginning to wonder if my contribution dollars towards mature education is indeed being well spent. If only the Commonwealth and State governments knew what you know eh? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I used to think how unlucky you were if you were born circa,1890 or 1915 but now I realize this is the worst age in the history of humankind to come of age. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not alleged very obvious to anyone that reaches out seeking truth. The 457 system has been rorted for cost effective reasons. Listen I've been down this road with you before. The obvious ability to obtain a work force, qualified at some one else's expense , with few rights outside the agreed , generally passive and reliant to employer owing to visa. Not forgetting those of limited skills recruited to work in construction and tourism as examples but goes far wider. Australia has certainly got 'around' the ability to bring in workers , many that would not qualify for a normal working visa, so not missing out as much as would compared to Europe/UK. Shame you are not on top of the game being played out and constantly hark back to Unions/Gillard. I'm beginning to wonder if my contribution dollars towards mature education is indeed being well spent. You are saying that no person should be allowed to migrate to Australia because they learnt their skills in another country and it is wrong for Australia to take advantage of their skills? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Are apartment blocks being built that do not comply to Govt safety standards then? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk They are being built as cheaply as possible in numerous cases. Who knows if they meet standards or not or how taxing those standards are to be met or some kick backs oiling the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Heard all this before, paperless office, yawn no more jobs yawn. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk You may well yawn but robotics is already up and running. There will be a massive loss of jobs, impacting unlike on white collar areas, unlike previous work place revolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If only the Commonwealth and State governments knew what you know eh? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk Well being part of it they obviously do. The question being why don't you? Besides being unconcerned as it doesn't impact on you personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Are apartment blocks being built that do not comply to Govt safety standards then? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk I sometimes wonder if all those Meriton apartments comply. The workmanship is pretty shoddy in many of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You are saying that no person should be allowed to migrate to Australia because they learnt their skills in another country and it is wrong for Australia to take advantage of their skills? Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk That is not what I said. What is wrong is not giving locals the opportunities. Recruiting abroad instead of training and increasing not even market testing , may prove cost effective for business but poor outcomes for those born/living here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I sometimes wonder if all those Meriton apartments comply. The workmanship is pretty shoddy in many of them. I suspect a bit of overlooking certain defects goes on. Cooperation of sorts shall we say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I disagree, when I read your post my mind springs to the coal industry. There are many reviews that suggest this industry is not just having a slowdown, it is in structural decline. It will never recover. To put our taxpayers money into it is foolish, negligent and plainly corrupt. I would rather pay a little centreline than prop up the dead. We claim to live in a capitalist society, as such bad businesses must fail, it's part of the cycle of capitalist life! Aussies are driven people, a person making a miners wage isn't going to sit on centrelink long, they will find work. I think the posts on here from some people who've been in a well paid mining job and can't find work for love or money prove that it's not as easy as you make it sound Flybynight. Do we claim to live in a capitalist society?:confused: If we do I'm all for a little more socialism because as things are heading towards more and more automation, driven by the ever increasing demand for profit for shareholders and productivity improvements. The end game is less and less manual jobs and even skilled jobs are going to be in decline. That's the big problem with capitalism, it's all about profit and the rich getting richer and sod the working guy and the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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