starlight7 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 And then you get the kangaroo poo guy in the Senate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The urgency to call parliament to look at the budget crisis, Abbott going to Indonesia to solve the asylum seeker boat crisis all has dissipated now that mob are in the driving. No recall of parliament before the end of October. Some crises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 And then you get the kangaroo poo guy in the Senate..... He is a total joke, saw him on TV, not impressed. The voting system needs a total review. Palmer has people in the senate and Katter is in by the looks of it so there is going to be some interesting interactions in the senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The urgency to call parliament to look at the budget crisis, Abbott going to Indonesia to solve the asylum seeker boat crisis all has dissipated now that mob are in the driving. No recall of parliament before the end of October. Some crises. and what did abbott say today ? He fully supports the PNG solution ! after rubbishing it for weeks. Now he has stopped Steve Bracks taking up a diplomatic role in New York, petty. He is only prime minister elect, not even signed in and the grumbles are already starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 and what did abbott say today ? He fully supports the PNG solution ! after rubbishing it for weeks. Now he has stopped Steve Bracks taking up a diplomatic role in New York, petty. He is only prime minister elect, not even signed in and the grumbles are already starting. He's doing really well so far isn't he? The boats cannot be stopped and Indonesia have told him to P off twice when he's tried to return them, so the policy now seems to be to hide all evidence of failure from the people and the media who report to the people. There was no debt crisis after all and he's increased Australia's debt cap already far more than Labour were going to, the complete opposite of the mandate he got elected on. His diplomatic skills have been exposed already, and his major foreign policy is in tatters due to the fact he HAS no diplomatic skills. Have you ever seen such a debacle ? OK, all countries do it and Australia have just been caught....but to say that he's only sorry for the embarrassment Indonesia has been dealt by the media is just plain stupid, as if he's not in control of the situation and wants no leadership responsibility. They're going to teach him a lesson now out of spite....Indonesia with 250 million people are going to become increasingly powerful economically and you don't want to piss them off by treating them like idiots. He goes to the Commonwealth in Sri Lanka and sells his democratic soul by cosying up to a virtual dictator and refusing to follow the Commonwealth spirit of respecting human rights, one of the reasons it exists and why Australia signed up. At least Canada and India refused to attend and were happy for the UK to go and give SL a diplomatic slap on their behalf. What does Abbott do....turns a blind eye to everything else and gives SL two boats, so they use him as a political pawn and give him a brass band send off on the docks. Amazingly, Cameron makes himself look like a statesman while Abbott is just a grubby salesman doing dodgy deals on the periphery. Hopeless politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 He's doing really well so far isn't he?The boats cannot be stopped and Indonesia have told him to P off twice when he's tried to return them, so the policy now seems to be to hide all evidence of failure from the people and the media who report to the people. There was no debt crisis after all and he's increased Australia's debt cap already far more than Labour were going to, the complete opposite of the mandate he got elected on. His diplomatic skills have been exposed already, and his major foreign policy is in tatters due to the fact he HAS no diplomatic skills. Have you ever seen such a debacle ? OK, all countries do it and Australia have just been caught....but to say that he's only sorry for the embarrassment Indonesia has been dealt by the media is just plain stupid, as if he's not in control of the situation and wants no leadership responsibility. They're going to teach him a lesson now out of spite....Indonesia with 250 million people are going to become increasingly powerful economically and you don't want to piss them off by treating them like idiots. He goes to the Commonwealth in Sri Lanka and sells his democratic soul by cosying up to a virtual dictator and refusing to follow the Commonwealth spirit of respecting human rights, one of the reasons it exists and why Australia signed up. At least Canada and India refused to attend and were happy for the UK to go and give SL a diplomatic slap on their behalf. What does Abbott do....turns a blind eye to everything else and gives SL two boats, so they use him as a political pawn and give him a brass band send off on the docks. Amazingly, Cameron makes himself look like a statesman while Abbott is just a grubby salesman doing dodgy deals on the periphery. Hopeless politician. About as good as it gets I'm afraid. Worse around the corner. Now to drive the dollar down so that we'll all feel so much poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Abbott claims the last election was a referendum on Climate Change Policy and that people voted him in because they dont believe in climate change so he has a "Mandate" to scrap the carbon Tax, well just look at the "growing" size of the protest marches from the "people" demanding we keep the carbon tax. If you cant see how fast the climate in Australia is changing you must have your head in the sand. Sure we are part of a whole planet and one country taking steps to reduce pollution will be of little use but that is not the case, even China and India are now starting to realize and starting to take steps to reduce their effect on our planet. I hate to think of the damage Abbott will do to Australia over the next three years. All we can hope for is a battle ground in the senate to stop him completely destroying Australias credibility, by blocking his changes, and bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ptp113 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Indo ambassador recalled. It gets worse day by day...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Talk about sore losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Talk about sore losers. This has nothing to do with being a sore looser, it has to do with people who are seeing a man destroy Australias credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 So you would go cap in hand and apologise for the spying allegation ? The spying was done when Labor was in power by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So you would go cap in hand and apologise for the spying allegation ?The spying was done when Labor was in power by the way. If it's good enough for Obama with 15 times the population and 100 times the power, it's good enough for Abbott surely? The point is, he could have got out of it by using his brain but he doesn't seem to have one that works. All countries spy, always have done...it's not a political party issue for bickering over or scoring cheap points. The issue is that whoever is the PM should have the skills to deal with the public consequences, that's why it's a political job and not a bureaucratic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt Down Under Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So you would go cap in hand and apologise for the spying allegation ? The spying was done when Labor was in power by the way. The spying was carried out under all governments here, the same as the taking of Aboriginal children from their parents was. At least it was a Labour Prime Minister that had the courage to apologise for that, and it should be up to the present Prime Minister to apologise for this debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJJB Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So you would go cap in hand and apologise for the spying allegation ? The spying was done when Labor was in power by the way. Turns out Indonesia was spying on Australian officials as well. Only Abbott has the balls to stick it to Indonesia, a leader needs to be strong and non-apologetic for something that all sides are doing. Enough with all the years of faux tolerance by Labour, it's refreshing to see a Abott as a leader being patriotic and doing his elected duty. He needs to get tougher with Indonesia as they are directly allowing their country being used as a launch pad of illegal activities into Australian waters and allowing so many people to their watery graves in death boats. Now is not the time to be spineless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skani Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Abbott is just a grubby salesman doing dodgy deals on the periphery. Hopeless politician. Hopeless human being. Glibly dismissed the barbaric cruelty to Australian cattle in Indonesia as just "a TV program". Beneath contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 There is no way we should apologise. All countries gather intelligence on other countries. Also Australia has successfully thwarted several new terror threats (Bali Bombing type scenarios) through intelligence gathering in Indonesia. As Alexander Downer said yesterday, he always assumed his mobile was bugged and would never have any sensitive conversations on it. So it sounds pretty normal procedure by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flybyknight Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 google 'dickhead' that guy who called him one, is a legend and will live in infamy. not a great thing when your name comes up with that search lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Correct Skani, this is not just about the spying issue it is a whole range of things. One of which really gets to me and that is Abbotts plan to give $75,000 to women who earn $150,000 a year so they can stay home and have a baby ( will pay for the nanny fees i guess) while he wants to take $700 in the school kids bonus from the most vunerable Australians. Goes along with his friend Gena Reinharts statement that no one who is incapable of earning over $100,000 per year should be allowed to "breed" . There are many many Australians who were financially OK when they had children whos circumstances have now changed, ( divorce, loss of job, ill health) who now find life challenging, and these are the people we should be helping not those who dont need the financial help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The man's a neanderthal bully, with very few diplomatic skills, having his puppet strings pulled by others in three word sentences through an earpiece he wears in any interviews he gives. It truly is starting to get a little scary, thinking that this moron is representing Australia in the world. I listened to an episode of BBC's From Our Own Correspondent and was horrified by the news of the officially authorised torture and rape that is still going on in Sri Lanka, and yet Tony Abbott was praising the administration there. On another programme from America the quote was "Australia has elected its own George Bush" and as time goes on, that is starting to look more and more true. He makes me embarrassed to be Australian, he really does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 There is no way we should apologise. All countries gather intelligence on other countries. Also Australia has successfully thwarted several new terror threats (Bali Bombing type scenarios) through intelligence gathering in Indonesia. As Alexander Downer said yesterday, he always assumed his mobile was bugged and would never have any sensitive conversations on it. So it sounds pretty normal procedure by the sounds of it. Come on are you his wife or something? A normal politician would just dance around it or call it regrettable or do a half baked apology for the sake of relations. It's hardly in Australia's best interest to annoy its neighbours Hopefully he doesn't go and offend the Chinese or Americans by being "honest" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie 2 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 This has nothing to do with being a sore looser, it has to do with people who are seeing a man destroy Australias credibility. I think Kev and Julia did that. Tony Abbott has done well to to improve that in a short time. Indonesia admitted spying on Australia some time ago. Did the Australian PM make a public incident about that? Their present foreign minister seems very anti Australia every time he opens his mouth. I wonder if they will return the aid they have received and refuse any further aid? The PM should not under any circumstances apologise to these hypocrites. THe Labor party and the Greens should also remember under whose watch the incident occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I think Kev and Julia did that. Tony Abbott has done well to to improve that in a short time. Indonesia admitted spying on Australia some time ago. Did the Australian PM make a public incident about that? Their present foreign minister seems very anti Australia every time he opens his mouth. I wonder if they will return the aid they have received and refuse any further aid? The PM should not under any circumstances apologise to these hypocrites. THe Labor party and the Greens should also remember under whose watch the incident occurred. I get that you support his policies, but to blindly defend everything he does is crazy. Or do you not care about international relations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Come on are you his wife or something? A normal politician would just dance around it or call it regrettable or do a half baked apology for the sake of relations. It's hardly in Australia's best interest to annoy its neighbours Hopefully he doesn't go and offend the Chinese or Americans by being "honest" Exactly. From reading the stuff that the Indonesian president (prime minister?) put on Twitter (ah, such is the modern world!!) he was most upset about the fact that Tony Abbott belittled their concerns. All Abbott needed to do was empathise with the concerns, without necessarily apologising. After all, he wasn't even in charge at the time so what harm would it do him? Surely anyone with an ounce of diplomatic nous would appreciate that you pour oil on troubled waters, not fan the flames (my metaphors might be a little mixed this morning...) That's what worries me, he has no diplomatic skills, offends important people and sucks up to the wrong ones. It's interesting that now in parliament questions are being asked about whether his so-called "stop the boats" policy is anything more than just "stop the release of information" without any other substance or change to the previous policy. It's starting to feel like something out of 1984 - tell the 'little' people as little as possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 I fear you don't know much about diplomacy at all. Megaphone diplomacy doesn't achieve much. A number of boats have already been stopped and returned to Indonesia. The numbers arriving are also markedly reduced already, but no one said it will be easy to totally stop. It will take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina2 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I fear you don't know much about diplomacy at all. Megaphone diplomacy doesn't achieve much. A number of boats have already been stopped and returned to Indonesia. The numbers arriving are also markedly reduced already, but no one said it will be easy to totally stop. It will take time. The reason the boats have slowed (if they have and we wont know the truth as TA hides information) is because of the plan Rudd put in place to not allow people arriving by boat to settle in Australia, it has little or nothing to do with TA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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