2231-79 Computing Professional (ICT Recent Graduate) and the new priority

[Skyrocket]

Don't bother mate...just a waste of money...keep you hard saved money without donating it to DIAC, just to be in category 3

 

you never know....few WEEKS down the line they may decide to shuffle things again!!

:biglaugh:

 

To apply in Group C (for ANZSCO) do you need to have completed your degree within past 6 months? --- YES the educational qualification you obtained should not lapse 6 months!!

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

 

 

I agree with Manj 100%.... don't waste ur money just to get into category 3, the goalposts keep shifting ever so often these days !

[Guest tyasawa]

So what do I miss? Anyone got a reply from authorities regarding this matter?

 

Just got email from my agent, my boyfriend got his .Net specialisation. But then as suspected it wouldn't be processed any faster than mine (normal nec).. I'm still torn between applying for another visa to get into cat 3 or not.

 

He is working for a small company for 2 years now, even if let's say he's working there for 3 years, the company have no formal training in place thus it is impossible to go for ENS. I don't think SMP is anywhere near possible since Qld ask for 4 years experience.

 

Otherwise, we can get rid of our hope to get PR and just staying here for the sake of working experience until they kick us out then we can migrate somewhere else that appreciates us :cute:

[Guest chajath]

So what do I miss? Anyone got a reply from authorities regarding this matter?

 

Just got email from my agent, my boyfriend got his .Net specialisation. But then as suspected it wouldn't be processed any faster than mine (normal nec).. I'm still torn between applying for another visa to get into cat 3 or not.

 

He is working for a small company for 2 years now, even if let's say he's working there for 3 years, the company have no formal training in place thus it is impossible to go for ENS. I don't think SMP is anywhere near possible since Qld ask for 4 years experience.

 

Otherwise, we can get rid of our hope to get PR and just staying here for the sake of working experience until they kick us out then we can migrate somewhere else that appreciates us :cute:

One way would be to spend another ~$5k and lodge an 175 application, once you get enough experience to meet Group A ACS assessment group.

 

Then again, what a rip off, Australia.

[Guest tyasawa]

One way would be to spend another ~$5k and lodge an 175 application, once you get enough experience to meet Group A ACS assessment group.

 

Then again, what a rip off, Australia.

 

We are in the process of discussing to apply for 175 with the agent, it most probably be a waste of money like some of you said tho :daydreaming:

 

I'll see how it goes these next few months first, or wait until after election. I bet more nonsense is coming to us. Btw.. I read in another threads the IT recruitment predicts that the industry will need more IT workers.. lol.. and they pull this illogical thing on us.

[Guest Manj]

So if applying for a GSM visa is considered putting oneself in a limbo, then maybe no one should apply for a visa.

 

Now who exactly in their right frame of mind would put themselves in this predicament? I believe most applicants here are well educated graduates from Universities in Australia and are gainfully employed in relevant jobs in their fields. Is this a risk that they would willingly put themselves in? I know I wouldn't. Point of the matter is that if the applicants had knew that it was going to be such a long wait, I believe none of them would apply for PR to begin with. End of the day, there are many other countries with transparent processing out there that would welcome the onshore skilled graudates with open arms. I personally know of 1 who had applied for a PR in Australia in Jan 2009 and applied for PR in Canada 6 months after. She got her Canadian PR 7 months ago.

 

 

Could'nt have agreed more with you!!

 

BTW - any contacts of a Canadian Migration lawyer? I'm seriously thinking of it now!!!

 

Since many think that we our kids are a burden to this country...I need to explorer my options............:notworthy:

 

As I always say, if we were told this country is full I would'nt have bothered applying for residency!

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest amitls]

so what are we gonna do about it? petition letters etc? like one member said we should all standup against this

I feel like a jackass right now. 2 and half years ago my employer wanted to sponsor me, i declined as I wanted to complete my masters.

Now i have 2 yrs part time and 1 year full time as a project coordinator experience, can I hop another ship by applying 856 ENS? or 3 yrs full time exp is a must. Dont know if they'll sponsor me though and seeing how we've been treated I might as well go back

[User Name]

Yes, writing to ombudsman is probably the only thing anyone can do at the moment.

[Guest Manj]

Yes, writing to ombudsman is probably the only thing anyone can do at the moment.

 

Agree...I just called my solicitor/agent today...the only other way is to lodge a federal court case.....but if we loose we have to pay a huge ammount of fee's!!

 

So...all we could do is write to the Ombudsman....they can't do much too apparently...but atleast we tried!!!:wubclub:

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest psharma]

Atleast we can argue on why cant we get transitional arrangements such as getting priority by getting reassessed by ACS by showing our industry experience without lodging new application.

 

By looking at a new changes anyone can see that its a pure neglect from minister and DIAC. It will ruin numbers of applicants life who are in Cat 4.

[Guest tyasawa]

Just got of the phone with my agent. She sounds as upset as we are with all these changes for IT graduates. She's been contacting DIAC and ACS asking for explanation for this nonsense. LOL she's actually using strong words too. She said we definitely have to pursue this further!! She can't help much now, but she's been encouraging all her clients to do so. I wonder how to find more existing IT graduates applicants in limbo.

[Guest Manj]

Just got of the phone with my agent. She sounds as upset as we are with all these changes for IT graduates. She's been contacting DIAC and ACS asking for explanation for this nonsense. LOL she's actually using strong words too. She said we definitely have to pursue this further!! She can't help much now, but she's been encouraging all her clients to do so. I wonder how to find more existing IT graduates applicants in limbo.

 

Facebook!! I guess :daydreaming:

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest tyasawa]

Facebook!! I guess :daydreaming:

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

 

oh... it gave me an idea.. why don't we try to make it trending topic at twitter as well as facebook group =P

 

I'm not good with words tho... any volunteers?

[Guest xuankefeng]

oh... it gave me an idea.. why don't we try to make it trending topic at twitter as well as facebook group =P

 

I'm not good with words tho... any volunteers?

 

I have couples of Chinese IT old graduates and we already discussed this issue for a long time. I called 133177 to complain this to IMMI, and wrote to ACS and IMMI (No Reply until now).

 

If you want to do anything, I can tell them and join you (at least 20 of us).

 

The New graduates got their SA on SOL which means they are in Group 3 while we, as 223179, will die in Group 4.

 

The new estimate processing time table is released, there is even no deadline for us.

See link: Client Service Charter

[Guest Manj]

I have couples of Chinese IT old graduates and we already discussed this issue for a long time. I called 133177 to complain this to IMMI, and wrote to ACS and IMMI (No Reply until now).

 

If you want to do anything, I can tell them and join you (at least 20 of us).

 

The New graduates got their SA on SOL which means they are in Group 3 while we, as 223179, will die in Group 4.

 

The new estimate processing time table is released, there is even no deadline for us.

See link: Client Service Charter

 

I will be emailing the Victorian Premier requesting an ppointment to see him - I will let the Vic ICT's know when I get a reply- Only thing it's bad timing with this elections:swoon:

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest chajath]

I will be emailing the Victorian Premier requesting an ppointment to see him - I will let the Vic ICT's know when I get a reply- Only thing it's bad timing with this elections:swoon:

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

 

Yeah its such a bad timing that we are all caught in the middle of federal/state elections going on. But we are definitely pushing for the rectification and we have a good case for it, I think.

[Guest TheStig]

Im going to write in too but honestly don't see any point in writing to DIAC, we should take this to a higher authority, local MP, Premiers, Ministers etc. Only setback as Manj mentioned as its election times and they would be busy saving their own behinds instead of reading letters from foreigners like us. This entire processing saga is absolute bull, something so straight forward now seems like a flight to the moon now... I have got a PhD in A.I. but my occupation is not even on the SOL; instead there are occupations like pig farmers on the list. Maybe I should have gone to the farm as a kid and play around with the pigs and cows instead of studying, then at least I would get my application procesed in 18 months! The only possible solution I can see now is for Labour to be thrown out of Government for anything to happen.. not that the Liberals would do anything better but at least there would be a new/different insight

[Guest Manj]

Im going to write in too but honestly don't see any point in writing to DIAC, we should take this to a higher authority, local MP, Premiers, Ministers etc. Only setback as Manj mentioned as its election times and they would be busy saving their own behinds instead of reading letters from foreigners like us. Absolute bull, something so straight forward now seems like a flight to the moon now... I have got a PhD in A.I. but my occupation is not even on the SOL; instead there are occupations like pig farmers on the list. Maybe I should have gone to the farm as a kid and play around with the pigs and cows instead of studying, then at least I would get my application procesed in 18 months! The only possible solution I can see now is for Labour to be thrown out of Government for anything to happen.. not that the Liberals would do anything better but at least there would be a new/different insight

 

 

Guys ...... please have a look, my Agent/lawyer sent this to me

Migration Institute of Australia networking events, conferences, meetings and information sessions

 

Gill dear or one of our other moderators can we have this published in a seperate thread or anything that you could think that would grasp attention of the viewers of this forumn

 

Let have all our despate friend raise their voices!!

 

Use it wisely guys!

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest xuankefeng]

One of my friend who applied SA recently just got the SA result, program developer on SOL. This confirms the fact that the new IT graduate can go into Schedule 3 or us, even did the same units and submit our case earlier than them, must wait in Schedule 4. The worse thing is that there is no clear estimate processing time for Schedule 4. We have wait almost 2 years, where is the end?

[Guest mrright]

What kind of joke is this?

 

I hurried to apply for PR because I thought IT recent graduate will no longer be in the list after 1 July 2010.

If I'd known ACS is easily giving occupation from new SOL, I would have waited and apply after July 2010.

[User Name]

Guys ...... please have a look, my Agent/lawyer sent this to me

Migration Institute of Australia networking events, conferences, meetings and information sessions

 

Gill dear or one of our other moderators can we have this published in a seperate thread or anything that you could think that would grasp attention of the viewers of this forumn

 

Let have all our despate friend raise their voices!!

 

 

 

Use it wisely guys!

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

 

 

I tried that already all I got was this pathetic, officially crafted nonsense. Here was my mail to them:

 

Dear Ms Gillard,

 

I would like to bring forth some issues with the current General Skilled Migration (GSM) program that have remained unresolved. As you would have known that there are over 100,000 applicants in the pipeline for GSM (both onshore and offshore). The recent reshuffling of priority processing have put many recent graduates applying for onshore GSM visa in an indefinite waiting game.

 

One case I would like to highlight is that of IT Graduates. Prior to 1st of July, most of us applied under the code of 2231-79 (ICT Recent Graduate) which given doesn't have a specialisation such as Java, .NET, Oracle etc. was put in at the bottom of priority processing queue (category 7). After the changes to priority processing the same group is now in priority group 4 (bottom of the group as before). But what is interesting is that those who lodged a GSM visa after 1st July 2010, are given a new SOL classification meaning that they are in group 3 with much higher priority (as there is no group 2 due to State Migration Plan being unavailable and group 1 is composed of ENS).

 

This means that someone who completed their course after me, completed their skill assessment after me, can get his/her visa well before me simply because they nominated a skill from the ANZSCO (new SOL) classification. While I am a recent applicant, many of us in forums such as Migration Issues - PomsInOz Forum have been waiting as early as February 2008. It seems that we are a victim of bad timing.

 

I strongly think that the existing system does not deal with applicants fairly and this really should be addressed. Its understandable that employer or state sponsored applicants gets placed before non-sponsored applicants to address the skill shortages of Australia's economy. In this instance, its recent applicants getting placed before those who have been patiently waiting in the queue and have the same attributes (graduates, not sponsored etc.).

 

Many of us are already employed in the IT industry since we graduated. That means that we are eligible for Employer Nominated Scheme (ENS). However with one application in pipeline, we are looking at cancelling that application and lodge a new one spending over $5000 in the process. While many of us will be happy to make the switch, we have already paid well over $5000 for our existing visas which hasn't been processed, and we are not likely to receive any refund should we proceed to cancel that and go for ENS. That too in unfair as DIAC seems to keep the money while they haven't really processed anything.

 

DIAC is unable to change this system. They operate based on ministerial direction and unless situation like this is addressed from higher level of ministerial authority, it is unlikely to be resolved.

 

I kindly request you to look into this issue and many others that are brought forth by other applicants.

 

Kind Regards,

*******

 

The reply i got was:

 

Dear ********

 

Thank you for your email.

You have raised a number of concerns relating to consultation and information about the changes the Gillard Labor Government has made to its migration programs.

I assure you that Federal Labor is committed to consulting with key stakeholders on changes to policy. So too is the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) who work with the Migration Institute of Australia (MIA) executive to ensure that they are apprised of any new changes to policy or processing arrangements which may impact on clients.

The most recent quarterly liaison meeting between DIAC and the National Executive of the MIA was held on 4 June 2010. The agenda for these regular meetings is largely set by the MIA and they are fully minuted, with minutes endorsed by all participants.

It is important that the MIA passes this information on to their members and I encourage you to contact your local MIA office if you are not receiving information or being invited to participate in the wide range of meetings held.

In addition to meetings with the MIA executive, DIAC travels around Australia to hold information session. These sessions are an opportunity for local MIA members to raise issues directly with the Department.

You have also raised concerns that students who have applied and paid to study in Australia have seen their pathway to permanent residence blocked unfairly. It is critical that international students who were in Australia on 8 February and who held a vocational, higher education or postgraduate student visa understand that they can still apply for a permanent skilled visa, if their occupation is on the 1 July 2010 Skilled Occupation List (SOL). If their occupation is not on this list they can apply for a student graduate visa and get the skills and experience they need. These arrangements will be in place until the end of 2012 and I consider that they are a significant concession.

Finally, you have asked that the cap and cease legislation not be introduced. The proposed legislation is designed to provide flexibility in the management of the General Skilled Migration program and to ensure we are able to get the balance right when it comes to targeting the skilled workers we need.

 

I assure you that the views of the community will be taken seriously and considered carefully before any final decision is taken on this issue and the legislation is considered by Parliament.

 

Kind Regards,

ALP Information Services

 

 

 

Key thing to note is I made no mention of C&C bill or students having pathways to PR blocked. So I wrote back:

 

Hi,

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

I have made no mention of cap and cease legislation and I have made no mention of students having their path to permanent residency blocked. Those I believe are totally different areas of debate.

 

My concern lies only with a small but significant subset of visa applicants namely the 2231-79 (ICT Recent Graduates). As mentioned before, those IT graduates who apply after 1-July-2010 gets their application processed before those who applied under the aforementioned ASCO code prior to 1-July-2010. This is as per the current priority processing arrangement.

 

My concern is that these pre-July 2010 IT graduates are being treated unfairly since these graduates who have been in the queue before post-July 2010 IT graduates, should be processed first. The current processing arrangement doesn't allow that.

 

I will also raise the matter with MIA and ask them to bring it up in next round of meetings with DIAC. Hopefully the matter will be resolved then.

 

Kind Regards,

*************

 

To which I got no reply yet.

[Guest demoiree]

the mail is definitely a generic mail they have to reply to any complaints they received .. i dont think they even look at the content of your mail. :mad:

[Guest TheStig]

Typical copy and paste from a template. I wouldn't be suprised if it sends out an automated email response whenever an email is sent in..

[Skyrocket]

Typical copy and paste from a template. I wouldn't be suprised if it sends out an automated email response whenever an email is sent in..

 

i agree...looks like some sort of auto generated generic response....:mad:

[Guest Manj]

I tried that already all I got was this pathetic, officially crafted nonsense. Here was my mail to them:

 

 

 

The reply i got was:

 

 

 

Key thing to note is I made no mention of C&C bill or students having pathways to PR blocked. So I wrote back:

 

 

 

To which I got no reply yet.

 

Same happened to me.

I replied to the intial message they sent me

 

Dear ALP Information Services

 

Thank you replying to my email

 

However, I wish to askyou the following

 

How do you say that there are significant concessions given to us, when I who applied as an ICT -NEC recent graduate, now employed as a Project Officer/Business Analyst has been pushed to the 4th Category with indefinite processing time, just because the Australian Computer Society gave me a ASCO code ICT-NEC and I submitted my GSM application prior to 1st JULY 2010??

 

When Students who study Accounting complete university (after 2010 July or prior 2010 July) and nominate 'Accountant' as their Occupation, not even have worked as an Accountant are processed in category 3 or 2 (depending if they get a state sponsorship), I who have completed an ICT degree, with 2+ work experience as a project officer/Business Analyst continue to be pushed and shelfed with NO DEFINITE PROCESSING TIME... How can you say it's fair!!

 

Was it my fault that the AUSTRALIAN COMPUTER SOCIETY gave me an ASCO code called ICT-NEC?

 

What your brilliant staff at DIAC does not understand is that ICT-NEC on the old SOL list was used to accomadate a vast ammount of ICT professionals which could not be categorised into occupations which were then on that old SOL list.

 

When I call ACS, they say it's the DIAC who I should be calling, when I call DIAC they say it's ACS who I should be calling.

 

Whilst both parties continue to pass the buck amongs each other, I continue to remain in their Category 4 list with no definite processing time.

 

I cannot see why I should be changing onto another Visa by yet again paying more money and with the uncertainity of what will happen few weeks down the line.

 

Thank you for replying - and if you could address my concerns it would be great!

 

Regards

 

********

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[User Name]

The transitional arrangement is good for cooks/hairdresser who are here in vast numbers and no longer have their occupation on SOL. It's irrelevant to us IT grads.

 

Our occupation was in old SOL and it is also in new SOL.