Guest daclaro Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Hi guys.... i m not frm melb. but u guys should meet together and discuss. if possible consult with legel aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macbeth4397 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 You can not take any legal aid.. The best possible thing you can do to get a spot on this matter is use the media.. Like the way few people trying to do for example this girl from brisbane TiaraShafiq.com I am still doing some research work in UQ .. and I had a chance to have a chat with a professor who specialized on demography and policies.. All I got from the conversation is its upto government when the start pushing the pipeline forward..It is all about bureaucratic systems of the country .. Think about a situation if the office tells you to pack up stuff and cancel your application.. what is the best you can do??? NO matter how long have your worked in this country, no matter how much tax and financial contribution you have fed to the society end of the day it is upto the government. The demand driven migration policy by this government which we dont know whether a failure or success certainly creating frustration and depression among many students..Today i found out there even lots of student with p hd and proper skills in the line ..If any one want to use the media think of something that gives a damn about the matter because only few does.. like ABC or SBS.. And when the election in knocking in the door I hardly believe they are going to change something soon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psharma Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I think a lot of people commenting on this thread shares that sentiment. If we want to plan for a meet up, I am all for it. Given it can't get any worse than this, what is there to lose. Where in Australia are we all living. Anyone from Melbourne? I am also in Melbourne, if we get good number of people we can meet up and make this complaint in some sort of shape. Lets give it a go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macbeth4397 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I think Peter Mayer from national interest in abc radio has been working on this matter for long time...anyone can email him..he will contact you .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I am also in Melbourne, if we get good number of people we can meet up and make this complaint in some sort of shape. Lets give it a go!!! Yes I think we should 1st try a high ranked DIAC officil then if it does'nt the Ombudsman. Any suggestions? :jiggy: ____________________________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ddd2010 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I think Peter Mayer from national interest in abc radio has been working on this matter for long time...anyone can email him..he will contact you .. Yeah I think Peter Mares is another good person to contact. The National Interest - About Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Seb Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 All this shuffling around is a joke and the joke is on us. Any logical government would have given priority to those onshore who are already contributing to the economy and who have integrated with the society. However, DIAC defies logic as there are people onshore waiting for more than 2 years for their visas and haven't seen their families in a long time. Some stupid DIAC rule stipulate that unless someone is close to dying, you cannot get permission to leave Australia. What is devious is that DIAC want us to wait another 2 years because they can't get their act together and clean their own mess. It can be argued that this amounts to the false imprisonment according to the tort law which it defines as the restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent. Granted we are not confined in a detention camp on Christmas Island, we are still bounded within Australia for an indeterminate amount of time whether we like it or not, which is an abuse of our human rights. The Australian Human Rights Commission and ultimately the United Nations Human Rights Council must be made aware of what's going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psharma Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 All this shuffling around is a joke and the joke is on us. Any logical government would have given priority to those onshore who are already contributing to the economy and who have integrated with the society. However, DIAC defies logic as there are people onshore waiting for more than 2 years for their visas and haven't seen their families in a long time. Some stupid DIAC rule stipulate that unless someone is close to dying, you cannot get permission to leave Australia. What is devious is that DIAC want us to wait another 2 years because they can't get their act together and clean their own mess. It can be argued that this amounts to the false imprisonment according to the tort law which it defines as the restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent. Granted we are not confined in a detention camp on Christmas Island, we are still bounded within Australia for an indeterminate amount of time whether we like it or not, which is an abuse of our human rights. The Australian Human Rights Commission and ultimately the United Nations Human Rights Council must be made aware of what's going on here. Good saying Seb, this is just plain exploitation of power and human rights by Chris Evans and the negligence by Immi. Because of this hundreds of onshore applicant living a life of void. We are living long on uncertainty and paying price living away from our loved ones which just adds another mental and physical frustration to our lives. I guess we should now shell out some time from already busy lives and make a stand together. We have got good numbers here, but we still need proper legal advice or some sort of direction here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane1991 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Its a myth that you have to be onshore at all times. You are free to leave Aus and come back when the CO tells you to :-) You just need a visa to enter Australia territory to get the visa granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Seb Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Jane, I know you can get out of Australia but you need a bridging visa B to get back in. To get that bridging visa B, you need special circumstances such as a dying relative at the worst. Any other reasons for traveling outside Australia are deemed not substantial enough. The approval of that visa is at the sole discretion of the front desk officer who can make your life hell. No wonder they can spout "collateral damage" so easily. I know a few ex-students now waiting for their PR onshore who tried to get the bridging visa B, only to be rebuked by the junior immigration officer, the reason being they have been abroad on their previous student visas. I myself wanted to travel to Europe this year but my plans are in tatters as apparently going on holidays, like any average Aussie would do, is not a substantial reason. If this is not an abuse of my human rights, then I wonder what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane1991 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Jane, I know you can get out of Australia but you need a bridging visa B to get back in. To get that bridging visa B, you need special circumstances such as a dying relative at the worst. Any other reasons for traveling outside Australia are deemed not substantial enough. The approval of that visa is at the sole discretion of the front desk officer who can make your life hell. No wonder they can spout "collateral damage" so easily. I know a few ex-students now waiting for their PR onshore who tried to get the bridging visa B, only to be rebuked by the junior immigration officer, the reason being they have been abroad on their previous student visas. I myself wanted to travel to Europe this year but my plans are in tatters as apparently going on holidays, like any average Aussie would do, is not a substantial reason. If this is not an abuse of my human rights, then I wonder what it is... Umm you can permanently leave Australia till you get your PR. That means you can work overseas. If you have 485, you can leave Australia and then come back just before it expires and ask for a replacement BVA :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chajath Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Jane, I know you can get out of Australia but you need a bridging visa B to get back in. To get that bridging visa B, you need special circumstances such as a dying relative at the worst. Any other reasons for traveling outside Australia are deemed not substantial enough. The approval of that visa is at the sole discretion of the front desk officer who can make your life hell. No wonder they can spout "collateral damage" so easily. I know a few ex-students now waiting for their PR onshore who tried to get the bridging visa B, only to be rebuked by the junior immigration officer, the reason being they have been abroad on their previous student visas. I myself wanted to travel to Europe this year but my plans are in tatters as apparently going on holidays, like any average Aussie would do, is not a substantial reason. If this is not an abuse of my human rights, then I wonder what it is... Couldn't agree more. Obviously DIAC don't think of the things carefully. Looking at the conditions attached to BvA, it has never been intended to be such a visa to be held for 4+ years, yet the government is making us do that, with all those gaps in the legislation. Gotta have a substantial reason, definition is at the discretion of junior officer? Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane1991 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Looking at the conditions attached to BvA, it has never been intended to be such a visa to be held for 4+ years, yet the government is making us do that, with all those gaps in the legislation. Thats very true. It would be so much more better if BvA for ex-students had multiple entry rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 OK....I have written to Wayne Riddle...this is what I have written..might not be perfect ..now guys this is just as an individual...we will need to plan and write an effective letter when we represent all ICT- NEC's..... happy reading........ Dear Mr Riddle I need you to confrim the accuracy of this circulation. Is this true? So this means that Accounting graduates who applied prior to 'Juy 2010' with competent ENGLISH (IELTS 7) gets pushed to priority 3??? I applied in 2008 as an ICT recent graduate with ICT-NEC. I have a score of 8.0 for IELTS and I'm now empoyed in the ICT Industry since July 2008? Your department has failed to prioritise ICT recent graduates? WHY must I ask?? So this means One who studied Accountancy and applied forPR prior to JULY 2010, just because has IELTS 7 and nominates 'ACCOUNTANT' as their Occupation, without even working as an Accoutant gets their application prioritised..and accepted whereas I who applied as an ICT-NEC prior to JULY 2010, with IELTS 8.0, despite working as a IT Project Officer/Business Analayst gets shafted from pillar to post and ends up at the end of your pile of aplications. Please tell me this is not another genuise joke of the Department of Immigaration and that it's my sane brain going insane?? My sensible brain cannot understand this arrangement of your department so can you please explain why you have decided to move students who have nominated their Ocuupation as "Accountant", not even worked as an Accountant- just because they score IELTS 7 to 'Category 3', whilst ICT recent graduates (not just me but many more like me), just because ACS gave us a clssification called ICT-NEC, with good IELTS scores and Industry experience is being shuffled around??? If your are unable to sort this maybe we will have to bring this to the attention of some sort of govening body because, we ICT recent graduates have not been given any consideration what so ever in your flawless immigration system. Your department has also choosen to discrimate us against our own new ICT graduates who applies post JULY 2010 Is it my fault that ACS gave me ICT-NEC? For post July 2010 ICT applicants, ACS will access their course contents and give them ANZOCODE based on the new SOL, this means one who has done the same degree I did, from the same university, maybe with less functional English than mine, just because they finish post July 2010 and ACS gives them a new SOL ANZOCODE gets to go into CATEGORY 3, whilst I, because ACS gave me ASCO ICT -NEC, with IT Industry Work experience for 2 years and high functional English continue to rot in the bottom of your list. Can you please justify the above for me please, since yet again my sensible brain cannot understand WHY? Despite all your administrative directions and processing priorities and that and this, genuine student's and profeesionals like myself still continue to be neglected and many other's keep getting through your loop holes. Looks like I have been left with 3 options 1. continue to rot and rot in the never ending applicantion pile of your's 2. withdraw my application and leave with no refund andd bear the loss of what I spent for IELTS, Police Clearance, NAATI etc...etc. Consider this as a donation to DIAC 3. Lodge a fresh application by yet again paying more money. option 2 is the only sensible option, because you never know if you go for option 3 you still might end up with having to follow option 2 . Why, because you never know in the FREQ. changing AUSTRALIAN IMMMIGRATION SYSTEM someone comes in half way through and shuffles things all over the place .... Well I will soon be making decesion because there are many countries out there looking for IT skilled applicants, and treats IT skilled people with more respect and dignity than AUSTRALIA. I'm sure there will be many people who applied as ICT recent graduates way back in 07-08 and who have gained sufficient industry experience will do the same I do, because when it comes to Information Technology- NO OTHER COUNTRY will dismiss us as garbage. I'm looking forward to a reply before week ending 30th July 2010. Thank You Sincerely Ms S. Herath ___________________________________________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chajath Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 @Manj - thanks for sharing. I will also post the letters that I have been spamming to all the relevant authorities/senators/MPs Dear [___], I am writing to you to draw your attention to the current situation of the Permanent Residency GSM (885) applicants with the nominated skill group of 2231-79 (Computing Professionals NEC - ICT Recent Grads), who applied before 1 Jul 2010. Prior to the new priority arrangement, 2231-79 with specialisation was on MODL/CSL. In order to obtain such skill assessment, we had to have 12-month full-time experience in a nominated specialisation. A lot of us applicants were working towards such requirement. The reality of labour market is that if we don’t have Permanent Residency (PR), employers show a lot of reluctance in employing such people. We the applicants with a job/job offer are the ones who were managed to find a job despite the fact that we don’t have PR yet. Although it was tough to find a job, at least it was a fair arrangement, letting the market select legitimate 2231-79 applicants. The new arrangement is that 2231-79 applicants are categorically excluded from any priority, which will practically mean that the applications are not being looked at for an indefinite period of time. What the new arrangement has done is that it has severed this nexus between employability and priority. According to what Australia Computing Society (ACS), a relevant skill assessing body, has published, it seems that the new fresh graduates from ICT courses will be able to be assessed under a different category, which will give them priority. This will effectively undo the change the government was pushing through with MODL/CSL arrangement. A greater problem, which concerns me the most personally, is that the new arrangement discriminates the old applicants from the new applicants on a simple ground that we submitted application in a wrong time. Fresh graduates with the exact same education credentials will be assessed into a different category and will get a priority. While I understand that it is inevitable for the priority arrangement to have a retrospective effect, could I respectfully point out that this goes well beyond the injustice of retrospective change. The end result of the new arrangement is absurd, giving fresh graduates priority over us who were able to get a job in such a difficult situation and being largely integrated into Australian society and lifestyle. We were relying on this government’s advice to find a job, have a 12-month experience ready and get reassessed with the experience. When people were relying on the government’s advice, wouldn’t it be fair to argue that the government should turn its mind to the injustice being done to the people they were giving advice to, and come up with a transitional arrangement for those people? Yours Sincerely, In-Ho Yi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane1991 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Competent english = 6 IELTS I would treat that email with a pinch of salt. Read the thread 'New Priority Processing' by Susan in agents section - Its not great news for all accountants as it appears to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jigish Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Competent english = 6 IELTS I would treat that email with a pinch of salt. Read the thread 'New Priority Processing' by Susan in agents section - Its not great news for all accountants as it appears to be. Yeah, but if people do Professional year, it doesn't matter if they only manage to get 6 bands. They can easily pass 120 threshold. Professional Year is nothing, but a way to milk more money from students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ssmakani2009 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I have lodged my 885 application on 16/04/2010 with professional year 2231-79 ( recent Gra) How long I have to wait? we are not getting priority. We can lodge the case in federal court, if we come to gather and contribute some money. people who nominate occupation according to new SOL are getting priority. this is not fair. I call to immigration (DIAC), they told me that Assessment is ACS matter, we don't know about this. on other side ACS informed me that Priority is DIAC matter, we do only assessment, we don't about priority. the truth is no proper communication and link between DIAC and ACS. We need come to gather on single platform and should lodge case against DIAC. thanks in advance, Sanjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macbeth4397 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Competent english = 6 IELTS I would treat that email with a pinch of salt. Yes I really have to agree with Jane1991.. Don't forget the election is knocking the door and immigration and border security is a major agenda in this election.. Chris Evans already said immigration policies issue one of the biggest failures of the government... Peter Mares contacted me in response to my email .. He is well aware of the situation but again concern of few people is not going to change the situation.. He told about his few articles where he has written elsewhere about priority processing and changes to the skilled migration program: Capping and culling the migration queue | Inside Story From queue to pool: skilled migration gets a makeover | Inside Story A blockage in the skilled migration pipeline | Inside Story These are very insight of the systematic abuse or may be failure of the total system..When the whole employment market was down government still took record number of application for immigration which does not make sense... There are so many loops and holes in the new rules it is almost impossible for many people to understand them correctly which is interwoven my the rate of the changes of these rules on an average of every year..This shows the government's lack confidence in their own hand made immigration policies... I don't remember the program where I heard the following information but I think it was in SBS insight where a professor from Monash University mentioned that one of the main reason the skilled migration program is failing is because the government predominantly made the education sector source of national income .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Yeah, but if people do Professional year, it doesn't matter if they only manage to get 6 bands. They can easily pass 120 threshold. Professional Year is nothing, but a way to milk more money from students. Couldn't agree more !! very true!!!:cute: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chajath Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 I have lodged my 885 application on 16/04/2010 with professional year 2231-79 ( recent Gra)How long I have to wait? we are not getting priority. We can lodge the case in federal court, if we come to gather and contribute some money. people who nominate occupation according to new SOL are getting priority. this is not fair. I call to immigration (DIAC), they told me that Assessment is ACS matter, we don't know about this. on other side ACS informed me that Priority is DIAC matter, we do only assessment, we don't about priority. the truth is no proper communication and link between DIAC and ACS. We need come to gather on single platform and should lodge case against DIAC. thanks in advance, Sanjay I generally agree with your comment. But I'm not sure if the federal court is the best venue we argue the case. I believe there still are administrative measures diac can take to rectify the situation. So let's hope for that to happen first. Taking the case to the court requires us to have a legal claim against diac in the first place, which can take so much fortune and time to work out. On the other hand, I absolutely agree that we need to come up with a single platform. Let's make this conversation open and alive, and let opinions converge into a single line of argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest demoiree Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 like to share my story too.. Applied for TR in FEB2010 and PR in April2010, currently working as software engineer. I had to apply for TR before my student visa expires while waiting for the freakin skill assessment from ACS. Yes ! after 3 long waiting months , I've finally recieved my SS with ICT recent grad, and applied for my 885 in April , but my student visa was expired when i apply for 885 ,so left me with no substansive visa ,resulting a bridging visa c(no work no travel) for my 885. Luckily i've my bridging visa A from my TR so i could work. Now i'm hoping that my 885 will get approved before my TR expires , which i think it is quite impossible with all these lousy priority processing in place! I'm thinking to apply for a skill assessment for my degree(software engineering), but I've finished my course since DEC 2009 ,it is now more than 6 months after completion , not sure i'm still applicable to apply for a new skill assessment under group C? anyone here thinking to apply for a new assessment? Cheers, Demoiree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 like to share my story too.. Applied for TR in FEB2010 and PR in April2010, currently working as software engineer. I had to apply for TR before my student visa expires while waiting for the freakin skill assessment from ACS. Yes ! after 3 long waiting months , I've finally recieved my SS with ICT recent grad, and applied for my 885 in April , but my student visa was expired when i apply for 885 ,so left me with no substansive visa ,resulting a bridging visa c(no work no travel) for my 885. Luckily i've my bridging visa A from my TR so i could work. Now i'm hoping that my 885 will get approved before my TR expires , which i think it is quite impossible with all these lousy priority processing in place! I'm thinking to apply for a skill assessment for my degree(software engineering), but I've finished my course since DEC 2009 ,it is now more than 6 months after completion , not sure i'm still applicable to apply for a new skill assessment under group C? anyone here thinking to apply for a new assessment? Cheers, Demoiree No you can't. But once you have 2 years experience then you can lodge new assessment under group A. I am also in same situation. Lodged TR in March and PR on May this year. I should have lodged my skill assessment on 10 th March and lodged TR when student visa expired. that way I could have gotten a free transfer to new SOL instead of this cursed 2231-79. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest demoiree Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Looks like we have no way out !howeve ,I had a look at thier new pasa guidelines , they did not specify group c applicants needs to apply assessment within 6months after completion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest true blue sue Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Jane, I know you can get out of Australia but you need a bridging visa B to get back in. To get that bridging visa B, you need special circumstances such as a dying relative at the worst. Any other reasons for traveling outside Australia are deemed not substantial enough. The approval of that visa is at the sole discretion of the front desk officer who can make your life hell. No wonder they can spout "collateral damage" so easily. I know a few ex-students now waiting for their PR onshore who tried to get the bridging visa B, only to be rebuked by the junior immigration officer, the reason being they have been abroad on their previous student visas. I myself wanted to travel to Europe this year but my plans are in tatters as apparently going on holidays, like any average Aussie would do, is not a substantial reason. If this is not an abuse of my human rights, then I wonder what it is... You're kidding right? Not being able to go on holiday to Europe is an abuse of your human rights? Get real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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