2231-79 Computing Professional (ICT Recent Graduate) and the new priority

[Guest tyasawa]

I am worried for both

 

Not sure how they are going to determine the 60%. Since some of compulsory courses I did includes Math and Algorithm courses, plus the Databases ones as well. Hopefully all went well and able to get the Developer Programmer. I will probably include the working experience as consideration too if that's possible.

 

Is it wrong if I conclude:

With specialization if able to get ANZSCO code on sol 3, automatically move to category 3

Withouth specialization (ICT Grads) just "we may consider"

[Guest swan2748]

well, what option do we have? We have tried everything, contacted and raised our issue everywhere with minimal effect. I think the way they (DIAC) are going, it doesn't look like they will map all comp. prof.s nec to cat 3 directly. This way, at least they are trying (or look as if trying) to give us a way out. It would have helped a lot if they formally said we are giving this option to all affected applicants. I don't know why they couldn't give us this option formally.

 

Do you have any plans as to how we can make DIAC move us to Cat 3 directly ;-) ? I would be up for it.

[Skyrocket]

I am worried for both

 

Not sure how they are going to determine the 60%. Since some of compulsory courses I did includes Math and Algorithm courses, plus the Databases ones as well. Hopefully all went well and able to get the Developer Programmer. I will probably include the working experience as consideration too if that's possible.

 

Is it wrong if I conclude:

With specialization if able to get ANZSCO code on sol 3, automatically move to category 3

Withouth specialization (ICT Grads) just "we may consider"

 

I have a friend who did her bachelors degree in electronics engg from abroad and then a masters degree in IT from here. She had a few programming papers for her masters but definitely not 60% but she still got assessed as a developer programmer as she had a few programming papers in her bachelors and they allowed her to put that in as well.

[Guest tyasawa]

well, what option do we have? We have tried everything, contacted and raised our issue everywhere with minimal effect. I think the way they (DIAC) are going, it doesn't look like they will map all comp. prof.s nec to cat 3 directly. This way, at least they are trying (or look as if trying) to give us a way out. It would have helped a lot if they formally said we are giving this option to all affected applicants. I don't know why they couldn't give us this option formally.

 

Do you have any plans as to how we can make DIAC move us to Cat 3 directly ;-) ? I would be up for it.

 

I'm actually OK with doing another assessment as long as it's clear what DIAC will do afterwards. Not just saying they will consider it or Canberra haven't approved bla bla bla. Actually, recalling my post way back, this is one of the ideal situation for me. I'll take my chance to apply for new assessment and wait for the official announcement... because that's the only substantial thing I can do for now.

 

I think the chance to move all 2231-79 to cat 3 directly is close to impossible judging by the way then handle this so far. But I thought asking us for new assessment was impossible too before =P. Maybe if they see most of the 2231-79 able to get new assessment to ANZSCO codes that exist on cat 3, they might just move all the remaining ones there :jiggy:

[Skyrocket]

well, what option do we have? We have tried everything, contacted and raised our issue everywhere with minimal effect. I think the way they (DIAC) are going, it doesn't look like they will map all comp. prof.s nec to cat 3 directly. This way, at least they are trying (or look as if trying) to give us a way out. It would have helped a lot if they formally said we are giving this option to all affected applicants. I don't know why they couldn't give us this option formally.

 

Do you have any plans as to how we can make DIAC move us to Cat 3 directly ;-) ? I would be up for it.

 

Yes moving all of us to category 3 would have been the easiest way to fix the problem. I think DIAC is still developing an official strategy on how to deal with us.

 

The problem with moving everyone to cat 3 is that (as someone else suggested earlier) there are those of us in this category (2231-79 ICT recent graduate) who may have done a major in something outside the SOL eg networking. These folks cannot be classified as developer programmers or business analysts/system analysts. This is probably why they now seem to be asking us to reapply for a skills assessment.

 

I just think it is very moronic of DIAC and ACS to let this problem crop up in the first place... surely they wud both have known that there are a large number of us sitting in the pipeline with the (2231-79 ICT recent graduate) code. And that we sure as hell wudnt be sitting idle and applauding as new graduates merrily moved into cat 3 while we sat and rotted in cat 4. It just shows how quickly they moved to the new skill classification system without any proper planning whatsoever.... surely one of the basic checks before you introduce a new classification system is whether all occupations on the old SOL can be mapped to the new one. MORONS !:goofy:

[Guest Masochist]

Well, even I am ok with having my skills re-assessed but the only issue is that the re-assessment wouldn't classify me in Group C as 6 months has already lapsed (it has been about nine months since I've graduated). So if I put in an application for re-assessment, I would be assessed under new ACS guidelines which requires min of 2 years of experience to be classified under Group A.

 

Is there a special form that's available on ACS that I should be filling so that under this special provision by DIAC, ACS would disregard the fact that 6 months time period has been lapsed, and still give me an assessment under group C.

 

Thoughts ?

[Guest Seb]

I am confused too.

Skills Application Type

Please select appropriate application type depending on qualifications and experience.

- Recent Graduate of an Australian University in Australia (Qualifications must be supplied) $375.00AUD

- Recent Graduate of an Australian University in Australia, wanting MODL/ICT experience considered (Qualifications/References must be supplied) $400.00AUD

- Skills (Qualifications and details of Experience must be supplied) $400.00AUD

- RPL (Details of Experience and a completed Sections 2-4 of PASA must be supplied) $450.00AUD

 

Which one to choose? I graduated in 2008. I wonder if I can still be classified as a recent graduate :-P

[Guest swan2748]

Well, even I am ok with having my skills re-assessed but the only issue is that the re-assessment wouldn't classify me in Group C as 6 months has already lapsed (it has been about nine months since I've graduated). So if I put in an application for re-assessment, I would be assessed under new ACS guidelines which requires min of 2 years of experience to be classified under Group A.

 

Is there a special form that's available on ACS that I should be filling so that under this special provision by DIAC, ACS would disregard the fact that 6 months time period has been lapsed, and still give me an assessment under group C.

 

Thoughts ?

 

I think the 6 months rule doesn't apply to ACS. It is only for DIAC. I quote from PASA guidelines under group C (page 22).

 

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If applicable, the length of study in Australia and the time limit for submitting an application for an Onshore Overseas Student General - Skilled Migration (GSM) visa are not components of the PASA (Pre-Application Skills Assessment) and are not assessed by the ACS. These requirements are set and assessed by DIAC.

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Also, from personal experience, the second application I lodged for CSL was outside the 6 months period. I do know that ACS have a period by which our qualification expires, as stated in PASA guidelines (page 32) under reassessment

 

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Applicants seeking recent work experience exemption: please note that once your qualification has expired, you can only be assessed in this category again if you have since completed a new qualification that meets the criteria.

 

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but there is no description of this expiry period anywhere.

[Guest tyasawa]

ACS form only said recent, the only 6 month rule is DIAC definition of recent graduate on their booklet. I assume the 6 month rule will not be applied since this is to cover up the mistake DIAC made at the first place. I will ask my agent to contact ACS and confirm. Otherwise need to wait another 6 months to get 2 years experience.

 

My boyfriend got reassessed as Developer Programmer. He first get the generic 2231-79 around 1.5 years ago. He then applied for .Net specialisation and got it approx on July 2010. After that using free reassessment, he got Developer Programmer -- in 3 weeks I must add.

[Guest swan2748]

My boyfriend got reassessed as Developer Programmer. He first get the generic 2231-79 around 1.5 years ago. He then applied for .Net specialisation and got it approx on July 2010. After that using free reassessment, he got Developer Programmer -- in 3 weeks I must add.

 

My specialisation assessment was in July as well, but they did not agree to offer me a free reassessment. I wonder why such discrepancy...

 

Anyway, maybe your boyfriend should take advantage of this provision from DIAC and let us know if it works for him. I have recently lodged a new assessment application, so it will be a while before I can test it.

[Guest Masochist]

Labor wins !

 

God please save us

[Guest umairghias]

Hi all,

 

We dont have any confirmation about if we re apply for skills assessment and get a anzco code we dont have to re apply the whole permanent residency application?

 

Is anyone here already planning to get an anzco code and re-accessing ?

 

With the 6 months requirement i just got a message from my agent that acs has excluded this from the form .

 

Please let me know

 

Regards,

Umair

[Guest newguy2010]

Just get some news that a guy with occupation in Engineering got his PR approved, which was applied in July last year. His English does not pass 7. He doesn't need experience. His occupation was not in CSL before July 2010. He got it approved after 1 year Just because his occupation is in Cat 3 and in SOL.

 

Whereas I applied PR at the same time, get IELTS 8, have 15 months local experience, is still waiting for my PR only because my occupation is on the CSL but not in SOL thus I am in Cat 4.

:arghh:::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Guest]

Yes I am applying again.Just got a letter from my Uni as i did a 1 year masters project in Web Development.I will go for Developer Programmer.Yes we can apply for reassesment.Assesment is different stuff and immigration is different.You can apply anytime.

[Guest MOTO]

TO newguy2010.

 

What can i say? There is no justice in that, but what can you do? Reality is that you can't do anything about it.

This whole visa business is nothing more than a gamble. If you are lucky , you will get one. If not , well, bad luck.

[Guest chajath]

Hi all,

 

We dont have any confirmation about if we re apply for skills assessment and get a anzco code we dont have to re apply the whole permanent residency application?

 

Is anyone here already planning to get an anzco code and re-accessing ?

 

With the 6 months requirement i just got a message from my agent that acs has excluded this from the form .

 

Please let me know

 

Regards,

Umair

 

My understanding is, 6 months requirement comes from DIAC, and got nothing to do with ACS. If you go for ACS assessment under group C, they will issue the skill assessment done according to the standard set for group C. The thing is, you can only use group C skill assessment with 885/175 applications eligible for 6 months after grad work exp exemption.

[Guest newguy2010]

TO newguy2010.

 

What can i say? There is no justice in that, but what can you do? Reality is that you can't do anything about it.

This whole visa business is nothing more than a gamble. If you are lucky , you will get one. If not , well, bad luck.

 

Hi MOTO,

 

This is not gamble. This is cheating. In gambling at least everyone is given the equivalent chance. You are just lucky or unlucky. No one is required to do extra amount of work. But they first require us to do extra amount of work and then betray us. This is cheating.

[Guest Manj]

Labor wins !

 

God please save us

 

I guess for us now it's from the frying pan to the fire!!

:mad::mad:

 

Hate the sight of the gingernut bouncing up and down with glee!!!

 

 

_______________________________________

CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Skyrocket]

I guess for us now it's from the frying pan to the fire!!

:mad::mad:

 

Hate the sight of the gingernut bouncing up and down with glee!!!

 

 

_______________________________________

CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

 

Cmon its not all doom and gloom mate ....

Its a very shaky govt to begin with... labour n its allies have exactly 76 seats... there might be fresh elections in a few months time, if one of the independents suddenly change their mind...

Also I believe Evans will not be immigration minister this time round, and since labour does not have majority by its own right any new immigration minister will think twice about passing any dubious legislation.

As far as we are concerned if we can somehow move into cat 3 we shud be fine.....:wubclub:

[Guest tyasawa]

My specialisation assessment was in July as well, but they did not agree to offer me a free reassessment. I wonder why such discrepancy...

 

Anyway, maybe your boyfriend should take advantage of this provision from DIAC and let us know if it works for him. I have recently lodged a new assessment application, so it will be a while before I can test it.

 

I have no idea, what did ACS tell you? He applied before the cut date for the free assessment and that's it.

 

I will give our agent the 1023 form tomorrow. Let's see what happen. If he move to category 3, since he applied on Nov 2008 there might be no movement that soon anyway. I'll get new ACS assessment too. So lets sit and enjoy the ride...

 

Oh and.. Labor wins.. Edit: such a relief Evans won't be the immigration minister anymore tho

[User Name]

Also I believe Evans will not be immigration minister this time round, and since labour does not have majority by its own right any new immigration minister will think twice about passing any dubious legislation.

 

 

Depend which way you look at it. The C&C bill is any immigration ministers dream weapon regardless of which side of politics you are on. I don't think there will be any heated debate (if any happens in first place) on it.

 

Now when Evans culled pre-07/2007 applicantions, no greens or coalition politician made any noise in protest. That was a good 20,000 application. So I doubt the current situation will make it harder for C&C to pass through. It could be hard for labor to push through with other bills like those relating to mining taxes but this one, I dont think so.

[Guest majidp]

Some of us might be sad that ALP remains in power, but I have to tell you something. Part of the reason for recent changes in immigration rules is due to the mess that was left by Howard's government. He was lucky as the number of applicants were not dramatically high back then. For years they were relying on immigration as a shortcut to address their shortages. No cooks? Immigration! No hairdressers? Immigration. No plumbers? Immigration! This policy didn't work as many of those who entered as cooks, hairdressers or plumbers were simply not keen to do that for the rest of their lives and thus opted to engage in other activities, so the shortage was and is still there. Someone has to tell them: How much would it cost to educate someone to become an engineer, IT analyst or medical specialist? So why cooks or hairdressers and now accountants are more welcome and worse, why are they doing that to IT people like us? Also, are they aware that some offshore applicants make up void skills and experiences using fake documents basically to fool the immigration and sadly many of them manage to get through and surpass people like us?

 

Anyways, I was hoping the new SOL might make the whole process more rational, but things are now getting even worse as new applicants are entering the pipeline on a daily basis. So, whoever the next minister is, he/she would have a hard time deciding what to do with this lame immigration policy and all the leftover mess. Also, you might know Tony Abbott was also not a fan of immigration in general and was always criticising the current number of granted visas as too high. So who knows? Maybe we're lucky ALP is still in power!

[User Name]

Some of us might be sad that ALP remains in power, but I have to tell you something. Part of the reason for recent changes in immigration rules is due to the mess that was left by Howard's government. He was lucky as the number of applicants were not dramatically high back then. For years they were relying on immigration as a shortcut to address their shortages. No cooks? Immigration! No hairdressers? Immigration. No plumbers? Immigration! This policy didn't work as many of those who entered as cooks, hairdressers or plumbers were simply not keen to do that for the rest of their lives and thus opted to engage in other activities, so the shortage was and is still there. Someone has to tell them: How much would it cost to educate someone to become an engineer, IT analyst or medical specialist? So why cooks or hairdressers and now accountants are more welcome and worse, why are they doing that to IT people like us? Also, are they aware that some offshore applicants make up void skills and experiences using fake documents basically to fool the immigration and sadly many of them manage to get through and surpass people like us?

 

Anyways, I was hoping the new SOL might make the whole process more rational, but things are now getting even worse as new applicants are entering the pipeline on a daily basis. So, whoever the next minister is, he/she would have a hard time deciding what to do with this lame immigration policy and all the leftover mess. Also, you might know Tony Abbott was also not a fan of immigration in general and was always criticising the current number of granted visas as too high. So who knows? Maybe we're lucky ALP is still in power!

 

Its a loophole in the system, its not that they are targetting us IT grads on purpose, though it may seem that way.

 

Its because of poor classification of IT occupations and partial mapping to ANZSCO thats cause us stay in cat4. Accountants who have direct mapping to ANZSCO got the free bump up.

 

As is the case, any problem with DIAC is hard to resolve as its the most bureaucratic government body in the world.

[Guest chajath]

Hi all,

 

I rang immi this morning. The answers I got:

* they were instructed to give advice to clients to get re-assessment and provide form 1023 if skill codes are not on the new SOL

* then they 'may' consider it

* I pushed for a more definitive answer, and the guy said there is a 'good chance' its gonna happen, and it will be 'in my best interest' to apply for another skills assessment

* Provide documents to brisbane.gsm.client.care@immi.gov.au (I'm an online applicant)

 

Ok. I am convinced to splash another $375. Consider it a welfare donation, Australia.

[User Name]

Hi all,

 

I rang immi this morning. The answers I got:

* they were instructed to give advice to clients to get re-assessment and provide form 1023 if skill codes are not on the new SOL

* then they 'may' consider it

* I pushed for a more definitive answer, and the guy said there is a 'good chance' its gonna happen, and it will be 'in my best interest' to apply for another skills assessment

* Provide documents to brisbane.gsm.client.care@immi.gov.au (I'm an online applicant)

 

Ok. I am convinced to splash another $375. Consider it a welfare donation, Australia.

 

At first I thought of it as another vague ramble by some lone phone operator @ DIAC. Given the number of consistent answers they are giving, I might consider it as well.