simmo Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Britain will thrive I guarantee it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 6 hours ago, MrsWuh said: Except it's not free, is it? It costs us around £10billion pounds a year net just to belong to the club, never mind all the other costs associated with membership. You do realise we will still be able to trade with Europe and buy raw materials from them, right?! We don't need a free trade deal to be able to do business within the EU. Tariffs work both ways. And, what's more, we will be free to make up our own rules to attract investment to the UK and away from Europe... Tariffs do not work both ways. If the UK imposes tariffs on EU goods then they must do likewise with goods from anywhere else in the world and bang goes the 'global free trade' argument which underpinned Brexit. EU tariffs and restrictions are designed to support EU businesses. That included British businesses too but from now on any new rules, regulations, restrictions and tariffs will be formulated to favour EU businesses over UK businesses. In order to avoid certain businesses resiting to Europe it is anticipated that Corporation Tax rates will be reduced to incentivise them to stay. The UK has a huge deficit in tax/spending so those tax cuts will have to be made up from someone.....and it won't be the rich. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 7 hours ago, ScottieGirl said: I am not sure that's it's purpose but it is certainly the result in Spain,Italy and Greece where up to a quarter of workers are unemployed so no income at all. SPAIN put a loads of money into property development which was dramatically under regulated by the SPANISH govt, ITALY has never got a handle on endemic corruption which stifles everything, GREECE has never been able to collect its taxes off the rich and paid its populace hugely inflated pensions and welfare benefits, all three have splurged on borrowing which they thought could be paid from either tourism, economic expansion from the equivalent of 'ponzi schemes' or never.. None of that was the fault of the EU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, simmo said: Britain will thrive I guarantee it! That guarantee might be worth about as much as one of Theresa May's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: SPAIN put a loads of money into property development which was dramatically under regulated by the SPANISH govt, ITALY has never got a handle on endemic corruption which stifles everything, GREECE has never been able to collect its taxes off the rich and paid its populace hugely inflated pensions and welfare benefits, all three have splurged on borrowing which they thought could be paid from either tourism, economic expansion from the equivalent of 'ponzi schemes' or never.. None of that was the fault of the EU. These problems were greatly exacerbated by the Euro though as these countries were then able to access borrowing that just would not have been available without the Euro umbrella. These problems should have been foreseen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said: These problems were greatly exacerbated by the Euro though as these countries were then able to access borrowing that just would not have been available without the Euro umbrella. These problems should have been foreseen. Yes easy access to borrowing was a temptation that these countries seemed unable to resist and it was made all too easy for them but these were countries with elected govts and their own bureaucracies and their own banking systems so should have judged the risks for themselves, it's a bit like buying chocolates, crisps and Coke from the supermarket always and finding yourself with a heart problem. I do have some sympathy with these countries but they played politics with their countries and it didn't work and the idiots who did the deals are living high on the hog and as always its the little people who are paying the price. Oh shit, I've just described the UK circa 2022 Edited April 19, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottieGirl Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: SPAIN put a loads of money into property development which was dramatically under regulated by the SPANISH govt, ITALY has never got a handle on endemic corruption which stifles everything, GREECE has never been able to collect its taxes off the rich and paid its populace hugely inflated pensions and welfare benefits, all three have splurged on borrowing which they thought could be paid from either tourism, economic expansion from the equivalent of 'ponzi schemes' or never.. None of that was the fault of the EU. No but the fact that they did not have their own currency which would have devalued and helped them out was. Plus why should I have to pay to bail the Italians and Greeks out when their issues are as you point out were their own fault? If everyone in the sandpit played nice and by the rules it might work but they don't and any system that exarcebates 25% youth unemployment has to be questioned. Edited April 19, 2017 by ScottieGirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, ScottieGirl said: No but the fact that they did not have their own currency which would have devalued and helped them out was. Plus why should I have to pay to bail the Italians and Greeks out when their issues are as you point out were their own fault? If everyone in the sandpit played nice and by the rules it might work but they don't and any system that exarcebates 25% youth unemployment has to be questioned. Yes but why will any of the other trade partners that we are going to have to stitch up deals with under duress, are they going to act any more altruistically than the EU has, I would suspect not when we have no leverage over them other than taking our trade elsewhere, not a likely scenario when we need to sell to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 Can't seem to find the other Brexit thread???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, simmo said: Can't seem to find the other Brexit thread???? Quote Sorry, there is a problem You do not have permission to view this content. Error code: 2F173/K Vince Cable has had the hackers at work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 The Russians 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 20/04/2017 at 00:49, simmo said: Britain will thrive I guarantee it! At least you maintain a sense of humour considering all ahead. Of course a lot of 'outers' look increasingly likely to be disappointed with the end outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 6/04/2017 at 21:15, simmo said: You find it "a little quaint" do you? what, us "little englanders" might dare to imagine having more control over "anything at all"? The remoaners certainly are of a type. The real actors wielding influence of course do not live in UK. Begs the question for what purpose? Common currency suggests the vote would be reversed if conducted again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Pura Vida said: At least you maintain a sense of humour considering all ahead. Of course a lot of 'outers' look increasingly likely to be disappointed with the end outcome. do they? how so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just now, simmo said: do they? how so? Yes. More appear to realise the error made. The cost to Britain will be significant. Polls would suggest a reversal from the original vote, influenced by lies and disinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Pura Vida said: The real actors wielding influence of course do not live in UK. Begs the question for what purpose? Common currency suggests the vote would be reversed if conducted again. rubbish! every single poll suggests the the majority of British people still want brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Pura Vida said: Yes. More appear to realise the error made. The cost to Britain will be significant. Polls would suggest a reversal from the original vote, influenced by lies and disinformation. what polls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Finding a way to spend that extra £135bn is going to be a bit of a nuisance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, amibovered said: Finding a way to spend that extra £135bn is going to be a bit of a nuisance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776 You may care to search a little deeper into just who is funding such 'news'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pura Vida said: You may care to search a little deeper into just who is funding such 'news'. but all the doom and gloom stories should be accepted without question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 On 20/04/2017 at 04:58, BacktoDemocracy said: SPAIN put a loads of money into property development which was dramatically under regulated by the SPANISH govt, ITALY has never got a handle on endemic corruption which stifles everything, GREECE has never been able to collect its taxes off the rich and paid its populace hugely inflated pensions and welfare benefits, all three have splurged on borrowing which they thought could be paid from either tourism, economic expansion from the equivalent of 'ponzi schemes' or never.. None of that was the fault of the EU. The EU moved the goal posts to allow countries to join the euro even though they did not meet the criteria to do so , who's to blame for This ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 A rather amazing take on events from amibovered, considering Eurosceptic nonsense has long ruled the media agenda. Media moguls living thousands of miles away influencing opinion. From my time living in Britain, the media constantly fed the public on a diet of venom, contempt and propaganda against Europe. Bias to the point of parody would be a suitable description. Although the British seldom fails to disappoint come parody. Peeps are possibly unaware that in the 1930's, the editor of The Times, (actually then owned by the right wing group that now owns the Daily Mail) censored reports from Berlin correspondent that were critical of Hitler. No censorship needed today of course as editors mainly want criticism of Europe in their papers. Regardless of the daftness behind such criticism. They have been champions of perpetrating lies, myths over the decades of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, Pura Vida said: A rather amazing take on events from amibovered, considering Eurosceptic nonsense has long ruled the media agenda. Media moguls living thousands of miles away influencing opinion. From my time living in Britain, the media constantly fed the public on a diet of venom, contempt and propaganda against Europe. Bias to the point of parody would be a suitable description. Although the British seldom fails to disappoint come parody. Peeps are possibly unaware that in the 1930's, the editor of The Times, (actually then owned by the right wing group that now owns the Daily Mail) censored reports from Berlin correspondent that were critical of Hitler. No censorship needed today of course as editors mainly want criticism of Europe in their papers. Regardless of the daftness behind such criticism. They have been champions of perpetrating lies, myths over the decades of course. if you actually lived here now, you would know that the BBC has been broadcasting anti Brexit propaganda from well before the referendum, as have the Indy and Guardian, to suggest the entire media is pro Brexit is nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Re other Brexit thread. I removed a few posts but for some reason that hid the entire thread. It's back now, minus those posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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