Justagirl88 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Hello all, I live in the UK, I am looking into moving to Adelaide to be with my partner. He emigrated there approx 7/8 years ago but isn't yet a resident, but has a permanent visa. i am a civil servant, working for the Department of Work & Pensions, based within the jobcentre working with the unemployed to assist moving them back into employment. I am a executive officer/ band C /junior management. I have been in this position since may 2009. i believe there is a similar set up in Australia for the unemployed, I would like to maybe stay in the me kind of role if possible. If not, I am qualified up to nvq level 3 in the use & support of information technology, (I also have nvq level 2 in using information technology) I achieved good GCSE grades in maths © & English: (B) for both English speaking & listening, & English literature. I can list more if needed, but in looking on the skills select site its English, and your main skill set that seems to be required. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I have no criminal record, & obviously had to have extensive checks done to join my employer. I have a registered with skills select, but not submitted an expression of interest yet. I saw a lot of agents online, but wanted advice first. I also see I can't do that expression without other tests or an invitation from an employer. my predicament: just over 5 yrs ago, i had to have surgery to remove abdominal abscesses, I'm clear now, But due to the damage i was left with severe internal scar tissue. I manage this with medication, and have continued to work since then. It's well managed, and I know how to avoid flare ups. I have a mild joint pain condition, again which is managed. I would never not want to work, it would drive me crazy! my question is, my partner has heard that any conditions would stop me ever getting a visa to work there without having approx 250'000 aus dollars behind me to cover any health needs as I wouldn't be able to get health cover or government help. Which I can understand as if I couldn't work, I couldn't pay my way etc. but I am capable of work, have proved that for several years, and don't let my conditions get in the way of paying my way here. Apart from those 2 things, I am healthy & well. If someone in the know could advise me or point me in the best direction, I would really appreciate it. I'm distraught at the thought of my conditions stopping me from continuing my life with my partner, neither of us have the kind of money as described above. I have a house to sell, but obviously the large bulk of that would be paying the mortgage off on it. I hope all of that makes sense. Happy to provide more info if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaus Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 What visa and skilled occupation are you applying under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justagirl88 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 What visa and skilled occupation are you applying under? Hello, Thankyou for replying! im not sure, I've only just really started looking into it the last few days. I'm not sure if the 489 would be the right one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaus Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't see how you would qualify for a skilled visa based on the background you provided in your first post. Only people with specific skills can get work visas. Would you not be better looking at a partner visa of some sort e.g 309,820 or 300? He would have permanent residency I assume, citizenship is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boganbear Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 If your partner has Australian permanent residency why are you not applying for a partner visa 820 I think? It's relatively easy to get. But waiting times are getting longer There are still health conditions but you won't need to worry about anything else. I have heard of some long term conditions being accepted but have no idea about yours. One thing to note. At a federal level you have to be a citizen to get a public service job. This will probably include Centrelink which is the equivalent if the dole/benefits office. There is no equivalent of the job centre and job placement agencies are private. I'm not sure if they would be covered as they are contracted out from the federal government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I would seek advice from a good migration agent. George Lombard is an excellent agent who is also a specialist in visas with medical issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justagirl88 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I would seek advice from a good migration agent. George Lombard is an excellent agent who is also a specialist in visas with medical issues. Hello, thank you again for all the replies. I'll go google this George Lombard, is he UK based? My partner has tried to find info out, but just got told straight away that there's no way with my health without the 250'000 dollars to cover me for life. That's really upset him, & he's gotten quite down about it. Im picking this up to look at as I know more about my condition & I'm level headed about it. Thanks again for help, it's really appreciated x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I was also a Civil Servant I'm afraid you cannot work as one in Australia unless you are a Citizen. I was a grade 10 EO too, it isn't a skill on the skills list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaus Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Lots of people migrate with health issues. But it isn't straightforward, eg. Medications costs come into it Someone like George will be able to give you a comsultation and tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyNook Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 My partner has tried to find info out, but just got told straight away that there's no way with my health without the 250'000 dollars to cover me for life. That's really upset him, & he's gotten quite down about it. That's complete nonsense. There's no such thing as needing $250k to cover potential health expenses. You either pass a medical or fail it. The decision to fail does depends on the potential cost to the country - but they don't make people pay this potential cost. If you fail the medical you don't get the visa. Full stop. You can't change the decision by paying money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 That's complete nonsense. There's no such thing as needing $250k to cover potential health expenses. You either pass a medical or fail it. The decision to fail does depends on the potential cost to the country - but they don't make people pay this potential cost. If you fail the medical you don't get the visa. Full stop. You can't change the decision by paying money. not totally true. A person can instead be asked to pay a bond. Though I have never seen one anywhere near as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 OP - You've been given good advice about consulting George Lombard for advice regarding your health issues. Based on what you've told us about your qualifications and work background, you would be most unlikely to be able to get a skilled work visa. A work visa is only possible if you have an occupation listed on the SOL or CSOL and and yours doesn't appear to be on either. http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/skilled-occupations-lists/skilled-occupations-lists.aspx SOL and CSOL That means that a Partner visa is the only possibility but for that, your partner must be a permanent resident and you must meet the eligibility requirements to be considered to be their partner. I'm confused about his immigration status. You've told us that "(he) isn't yet a resident, but has a permanent visa" which is contradictory. If he has a permanent visa, he is a Permanent Resident. Did you perhaps mean that he is not yet a citizen? If so, that's not a problem. A Permanent Resident can sponsor a partner in exactly the same way as a citizen. Assuming he is a PR, that leaves the question of whether you are his partner in DIBP terms. You are only eligible to be sponsored as his partner if you are an opposite sex couple who are legally married or if you meet the One-Year Relationship requirement which basically requires that you must have lived together in a marriage-like de facto relationship for at least 12 months. http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/35relationship.htm The One-Year Relationship Requirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 not totally true. A person can instead be asked to pay a bond. Though I have never seen one anywhere near as this. That's a Health Waiver which may be available for a Partner or employer sponsored visa. https://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/health-requirements/health-waivers.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 George Lombard or Peter Bollard are the two agents usually mentioned with medical issues. I don't see how you'd be getting a skilled visa with what you've listed there TBH but a partner visa would be the way to go. You would need a change of career plan as the Public Service is likely going to be out of your reach - state public services take permanent residents but you've not got much to indicate that your skills are going to be in demand - even bin men have degrees these days (hyperbole but you get the gist!!) Federal public servants have to be citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boganbear Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 OP - You've been given good advice about consulting George Lombard for advice regarding your health issues Assuming he is a PR, that leaves the question of whether you are his partner in DIBP terms. You are only eligible to be sponsored as his partner if you are an opposite sex couple who are legally married or if you meet the One-Year Relationship requirement which basically requires that you must have lived together in a marriage-like de facto relationship for at least 12 months. http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/35relationship.htm The One-Year Relationship Requirement thats not true. Partner visas are open to opposite and same sex partners. The one year relationship rule is waived if you have registered your relationship in Australia or if you have kids or have been together more than 5 years. Imthink the OPs best bet would be a partner visa then their skills etc won't be a problem. They probably won't be able to get a federal public service job but could get a state one or local council job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 thats not true. Partner visas are open to opposite and same sex partners. The one year relationship rule is waived if you have registered your relationship in Australia or if you have kids or have been together more than 5 years. Imthink the OPs best bet would be a partner visa then their skills etc won't be a problem. They probably won't be able to get a federal public service job but could get a state one or local council job I think Ozmaniac saying you can be married (which at the moment is only open to opposite sex couples) OR you can meet the 1 year relationship requirement (i.e. be in a de-facto relationship which is open to everyone) - and on the link provided it states you can register your relationship That's how I read the paragraph anyway I haven't heard of people who are together for 5 years being exempt? (I presume you mean 5 years long distance?) I know people who are in a relationship for 3 years or more, or 2 with children go straight to PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justagirl88 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hello, sorry, he's classed as a permanent resident. But hasn't done he citizenship. Sorry for the confusion. X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So you would need to look into partner visas as I really don't see how you would get a skilled visa. You mention that your partner moved back several years ago so how have you maintained your relationship? Speak to an agent and maybe have a read of the partner visas so that you can get your head around it all a little. You wont get any of the in-depth information you need on a free forum about your health issues so will need to get assistance from an agent like George. Brief breakdown of the partner visas: PMV 300 - if you haven't lived together in what IMMI consider a "de facto" relationship and/or lack the evidence required to prove you have been. The visa is granted and you have 9 months to get married, after which time you would apply for a partner visa. http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/300.aspx Offshore partner visa 309/100 - if you have lived together in a de facto relationship for atleast a year and have the evidence required. Any periods of separation needs to be temporary. You can get married or register your relationship and it will waive the 12 month requirement but you need to meet all the other visa requirements and prove you are in a genuine and continuing relationship. http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/309-100.aspx Onshore partner visa 820/100 - if you want to apply for a partner visa onshore (would need a substantive visa for you to be onshore before applying for the onshore partner visa). Same relationship rules apply as the offshore partner visa. http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/801-820.aspx PMV requires far less evidence and would suit if you haven't spent a great deal of time together over the years. Also have a read of the partner booklet - it's a little outdated but will help put things into perspective Partner Visa Booklet http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1127.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think Ozmaniac saying you can be married (which at the moment is only open to opposite sex couples) OR you can meet the 1 year relationship requirement (i.e. be in a de-facto relationship which is open to everyone) - and on the link provided it states you can register your relationship That's how I read the paragraph anyway I haven't heard of people who are together for 5 years being exempt? (I presume you mean 5 years long distance?) I know people who are in a relationship for 3 years or more, or 2 with children go straight to PR. Yes @engaus, that's exactly how my post should have been read. And you're correct in saying that being in a non de facto relationship for 5 (or even 25) years provides NO exemption from the One-year Relationship Requirement. Registering the relationship in QLD, NSW, ACT, VIC or TAS can provide an exemption and if there's a child of the relationship, that can also be considered for an exemption in compelling circumstances, but that's pretty much it for applicants who are not holders of or applicants for humanitarian visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justagirl88 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks @engaus we're both getting divorced, I've been separated over 2 yrs. he's in process of getting divorced from his wife whom he moved over there with 8 yrs ago roughly. We got back together roughly 6 months ago, were together for about 3 yrs , 20 years ago. Got back in touch, spent 3 weeks together in UK, and we both knew what we wanted. I was due to travel there now, but have come down with a chest virus & wasn't allowed to fly. We we have evidence that we have been together & in touch since then. But I appreciate they will need more to. Which we would be happy to provide, I know it won't be a quick process & we've both said we want to get married to each other. So so this partner visa looks like it's the best option, I'll contact George Lombard & discuss with him, Thankyou everyone. Your help is much appreciated xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Just to clarify a couple of points. You can't apply for a Prospective Marriage visa while either of you is married to someone else. You can only register your relationship (to gain an exemption from the One-year Relationship Requirement) if one of you is a resident in QLD, NSW, ACT, VIC or TAS and you can't register your relationship while either of you is married to someone else. You can't apply for a Partner visa unless you are legally married to each other or if you are not married, you must have met the One-year Relationship Requirement so that you qualify to apply as a de facto partner. That means that you must have been in a marriage-like de facto relationship for at least 12 months. That doesn't necessarily mean that you must have actually cohabited for the whole 12 months but living together for at least part of the time (including at the beginning of the 12 months) is an essential component as is the sharing of finances and commitments. It may be easier said than done, but getting both divorces will make everything far easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As others have said, as a migrant you would be eligible for public service jobs in state governments but would need to wait (at least four and a half years) to apply for citizenship before you could apply for jobs with the federal public service. You should be aware that there are cultural differences between the UK civil service and the public services in Australia. For starters, even permanent (ongoing) jobs are not secure in Australia. There are frequent reorganisations which can result in large batches of staff being made redundant. Liberal governments also like to cut headcounts and this can lead to people having to reapply for their own jobs (spill and fill) with unsuccessful people being made redundant. Unlike the UK, where people get redeployed and downsizing is done voluntarily, , in Australia the redundancy is the real deal. There are many former public servants right now competing for few jobs. You should also be aware that whilst there are some public office/call centre jobs in the public service, they tend to be much more regimented and bound by the rule book than in Britain. Managers will not smile on staff who show initiative or innovation. If the book says you do ABC, then you must do ABC. You should also be aware that the public service in Australia does not have an occupational pension scheme, and you will get only four weeks' leave per year unless/until you manage to dodge bullets for seven years and get access to a long service leave allowance. Promotion can probably be got faster in Australia, but you'll only get promoted if you are seen as good at staff management - being able to keep staff in line and productive despite having little in the way of formal power. Either you have it or you don't. Oh, and there is a real long hours culture. It's your call, but just don't expect you'll be moving to Australia and picking up where you left off in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 As others have said, as a migrant you would be eligible for public service jobs in state governments but would need to wait (at least four and a half years) to apply for citizenship before you could apply for jobs with the federal public service. You should be aware that there are cultural differences between the UK civil service and the public services in Australia. For starters, even permanent (ongoing) jobs are not secure in Australia. There are frequent reorganisations which can result in large batches of staff being made redundant. Liberal governments also like to cut headcounts and this can lead to people having to reapply for their own jobs (spill and fill) with unsuccessful people being made redundant. Unlike the UK, where people get redeployed and downsizing is done voluntarily, , in Australia the redundancy is the real deal. There are many former public servants right now competing for few jobs. You should also be aware that whilst there are some public office/call centre jobs in the public service, they tend to be much more regimented and bound by the rule book than in Britain. Managers will not smile on staff who show initiative or innovation. If the book says you do ABC, then you must do ABC. You should also be aware that the public service in Australia does not have an occupational pension scheme, and you will get only four weeks' leave per year unless/until you manage to dodge bullets for seven years and get access to a long service leave allowance. Promotion can probably be got faster in Australia, but you'll only get promoted if you are seen as good at staff management - being able to keep staff in line and productive despite having little in the way of formal power. Either you have it or you don't. Oh, and there is a real long hours culture. It's your call, but just don't expect you'll be moving to Australia and picking up where you left off in Britain. Just to add - State public servants have compulsory superannuation schemes - not worked for the Feds but I imagine they would too. Some roles get 5 weeks leave - especially if shift working - plus sick leave which the Australian's seem to think is just extra holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Just to add - State public servants have compulsory superannuation schemes - not worked for the Feds but I imagine they would too. Some roles get 5 weeks leave - especially if shift working - plus sick leave which the Australian's seem to think is just extra holiday. The State super schemes are not compulsory, but are used as the default super schemes. They are no better or worse than any other private super scheme, and state governments just pay in what they are legally required to do, same as any other employer. The sick leave works on getting three weeks' sick leave a year. Untaken leave accrues (i.e. is carried forward). You can take up to 5 days a year uncertified sick leave. That could be taken as unofficial holiday if you were willing to risk it (successful public servants don't do this) but then it limits your chance to avoid a trip to the doctors to get a certificate when you get the flu. The sick leave arrangements are vastly inferior to the UK civil service arrangements (six months on full pay, six months on half pay and thereafter on pension rate in any three year period). People in Australia with health problems do end up having to take unpaid leave. Overall, I would say rates of pay for public servants are higher in Australia (in real terms), but the conditions, job security and job satisfaction are inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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