Migrating while not Skilled

[theangrybudgie]

Hi Everyone

 

First time poster long time lurker etc.....

Really after some advice/pointers or anything really. My wife and I have been thinking about making the move down under for a while now and are in the process of attending fair's seminar's etc...to learn a bit more about options for example. I wanted to post on here to ask for some advice if you guys think we have a chance before we dive head long into it!

 

The major issue for us, it seems is, neither of us work in a profession on the skilled list.

 

Few details,

 

I am 30 (31 end of August) and workin in Sales and Marketing for Singapore Airlines and my wife, is 30 and works in admin for the NHS. I know I am on the cusp of the age range for the 1 year working visa so that is a no no really. Have spoken with the Emigration Group who say our professions are not on any state sponsorship list either so, the only option we think we have is an employer sponsored route.

 

I guess my question is, do you guys have any advise on people we could speak to about our visa options or, a good place to go to find employers who could sponsor us into Australia? Also, we have seen a few figures on the costs (all in) of moving down to Aus, so were after a few more ideas of ball park figures etc....!

 

I do apologise if a thread of this nature exists already on here but, after a seach I could not find one!

 

Thank you everyone!

[blossom]

I'm afraid it doesn't even sound like employer sponsored is an option. Are either of your jobs on the csol?

[Pumpkin]

Even employer sponsored jobs require the occupation to be one on the skills list, specifically it needs to at least be in the CSOL.

 

I am almost certain that you will not find any admin jobs on the list but there might be sales jobs. I would suggest you take a look and see if there is something you might slot into. Why not do that and let us know how you get on? It could very well be that there is no path for you at the moment, there isn't for everyone. In this case re-training is the only option.

[theangrybudgie]

Thank you, I will go and check out the CSOL list, I think when I have looked in the past there was nothing but, you never know!

[Adam Grey]

Why is the WHV not an option? The age criteria states you must be older than 18 but less than 31 to apply for the visa....You're not 31 yet and they take a mere couple of days to lodge and have granted.

 

In terms of occupations on the CSOL look at the job descriptions in ANZSCO for an occupation like Marketing Specialist and see if it fits in with your previous experience and qualifications.

[Marisawright]

The sad fact is that if you're not on the list you're not on the list, so you've got no chance. My niece is in the same boat.

 

In your shoes, I would grab the one year visa, get over here and enjoy a year of mixed holiday/work. You'll have an adventure you'll remember for life, and you'll find that Australia is nothing like you imagine. You may even decide you don't want to move here permanently - in which case you've satisfied your curiosity. On the other hand if you love it, you'll be able to make contacts while you're here and if it's possible to get employer sponsorship, that's the way to do it.

[VERYSTORMY]

Employer sponsorship still requires the occupation to be on one of the lists.

 

Personally, in days when good jobs are hard to get, I would not recommend they give up jobs to have a holiday.

 

The sad fact is that if you're not on the list you're not on the list, so you've got no chance. My niece is in the same boat.

 

In your shoes, I would grab the one year visa, get over here and enjoy a year of mixed holiday/work. You'll have an adventure you'll remember for life, and you'll find that Australia is nothing like you imagine. You may even decide you don't want to move here permanently - in which case you've satisfied your curiosity. On the other hand if you love it, you'll be able to make contacts while you're here and if it's possible to get employer sponsorship, that's the way to do it.

[Guest]

Employer sponsorship still requires the occupation to be on one of the lists.

 

Personally, in days when good jobs are hard to get, I would not recommend they give up jobs to have a holiday.

 

I would, I don't think i've ever heard a retired person speak fondly of work and how they are glad they never took a round the world holiday.

[chrispeck]

There's a number of sales jobs on CSOL, and there's also marketing specialist on CSOL. Assuming you can find an occupation which is a good enough fit, you still need a sponsor, and I think that will be tough to find from the UK. Coming down on a working holiday visa might allow you to spend some time networking and see if you can line something up.

[steveinmunich]

Love it! Dont be s slave to society!

 

Employer sponsorship still requires the occupation to be on one of the lists.

 

Personally, in days when good jobs are hard to get, I would not recommend they give up jobs to have a holiday.

[Pumpkin]

I would, I don't think i've ever heard a retired person speak fondly of work and how they are glad they never took a round the world holiday.

 

You can pick your moment though. And some people are career minded.

[Marisawright]

Personally, in days when good jobs are hard to get, I would not recommend they give up jobs to have a holiday.

 

Since it's the last chance he's ever going to get, personally I'd rather risk the job than miss out on the experience.

[starlight7]

If you are working for Singapore Airlines can't you ask if you could be transferred over to Australia for a spell? They are one of our favourite airlines, very popular here and maybe you could get a job at a major airport?

[theangrybudgie]

Thanks for all the replied guys, I did have a look at the CSOL list and saw a couple of descriptions which may fit. My understanding though, is the CSOL list just the overview and not the actual list of jobs wanted by the Aussie government?

 

Next question I guess, are there any good employment agencies I could go to to route out a suitable job for example?

[theangrybudgie]

If you are working for Singapore Airlines can't you ask if you could be transferred over to Australia for a spell? They are one of our favourite airlines, very popular here and maybe you could get a job at a major airport?

 

I spoke to the Manager in Victoria and he said they can only accept applications from people with permanent Aussie visa's....annoyingly!

 

But, he did give me a contact for the HR manager for South West Pacific so have sent them a quick email!

[Pumpkin]

Thanks for all the replied guys, I did have a look at the CSOL list and saw a couple of descriptions which may fit. My understanding though, is the CSOL list just the overview and not the actual list of jobs wanted by the Aussie government?

 

Next question I guess, are there any good employment agencies I could go to to route out a suitable job for example?

 

The CSOL is a list of occupations, not jobs no.

[VERYSTORMY]

No. The CSOL is one of two lists. There is the SOL and the CSOL. The difference is that if an occupation is only on the CSOL it requires either state or business sponsorship. So the next step would be to look at the possible occupations and next to each, will be a number. Google this number to find out what is required to pass the skills assessment for that occupation. If you can identify one that you believe you can pass the skills assessment for, then the next step is to see if any states are sponsoring that occupation. If so, then you may be able to go for a 190 visa. If no states are sponsoring, then you would need business sponsorship.

 

Each state publishes it's own list.

[blossom]

No. The CSOL is one of two lists. There is the SOL and the CSOL. The difference is that if an occupation is only on the CSOL it requires either state or business sponsorship. So the next step would be to look at the possible occupations and next to each, will be a number. Google this number to find out what is required to pass the skills assessment for that occupation. If you can identify one that you believe you can pass the skills assessment for, then the next step is to see if any states are sponsoring that occupation. If so, then you may be able to go for a 190 visa. If no states are sponsoring, then you would need business sponsorship.

 

Each state publishes it's own list.

@VERYSTORMY When you google the number it tells you the MINIMUM required for employer sponsorship. Often the skills assessment requires MORE than this which is why some people have no choice but to go on a 457 visa and then wait the two years.

[Quinkla]

I would, I don't think i've ever heard a retired person speak fondly of work and how they are glad they never took a round the world holiday.

I know that's the old cliche, but I have known plenty of people who regretted making poor career choices; not achieving their potential; sacrificing long term benefits for a short term buzz.

[grahamffc]

Employer sponsorship still requires the occupation to be on one of the lists.

 

Personally, in days when good jobs are hard to get, I would not recommend they give up jobs to have a holiday.

 

It depends how much you like your job and what the market is like here as to whether it is work the risk of giving it up. It took me six months to get a permanent job in Australia, I've since come back to London and been offered four in three weeks, every profession and location will be different.

[Marisawright]

I know that's the old cliche, but I have known plenty of people who regretted making poor career choices; not achieving their potential; sacrificing long term benefits for a short term buzz.

 

Yes, but how do they know whether there "good" career choice would've been any better, or that the "long term benefits" would actually have materialised? I think it's far too early in one's thirties to be afraid of leaving a job - jobs are not for life these days, so whatever job you're in at 30, you're unlikely to be in it at 35. Besides, there are always other jobs - maybe even better than the one you leave.

 

As a manager in several big corporations, I've been involved in (though, thankfully, not responsible for) many redundancies. In the nature of such things, most were long-term, loyal employees who were devastated at the loss of security. But the amazing thing is, I was surprised at how many of them landed on their feet (even though it took a while for some) - they got a better job, or moved to the country and opened the business they'd always dreamed of.

[Quinkla]

But the amazing thing is, I was surprised at how many of them landed on their feet (even though it took a while for some) - they got a better job, or moved to the country and opened the business they'd always dreamed of.

Many may land on their feet, but the human cost for those who don't can be devastating. Some lose their homes; some lose their lives.

[Pumpkin]

Yes, but how do they know whether there "good" career choice would've been any better, or that the "long term benefits" would actually have materialised? I think it's far too early in one's thirties to be afraid of leaving a job - jobs are not for life these days, so whatever job you're in at 30, you're unlikely to be in it at 35. Besides, there are always other jobs - maybe even better than the one you leave.

 

As a manager in several big corporations, I've been involved in (though, thankfully, not responsible for) many redundancies. In the nature of such things, most were long-term, loyal employees who were devastated at the loss of security. But the amazing thing is, I was surprised at how many of them landed on their feet (even though it took a while for some) - they got a better job, or moved to the country and opened the business they'd always dreamed of.

 

I think I understand what Quinkla meant. In some professions, you can be on a particular trajectory, making progress and the interruption to take a WHV in Australia could put the person off course, career wise. It isn't even about the particular job and we all know jobs are no longer for life. But it can interrupt that trajectory, many people might not care, but career minded ones need to think about it. I am career minded and in a profession and I know it would have seriously disrupted my trajectory. I see you tend to use the word "job", I would always use the word career. It is probably the difference.