Paul1Perth Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Would love to Paul, but i would be out of a job pretty quick. I have seen someone in my type of role be given a last written warning for not taking calls one weekend. There is a broad clause in my contract about having to be available. Standard clause in Oz for my role in most mining companies. The annoying this is 90% are actually not urgent - just someone saying "i thought i should keep you informed". It is one, in a fairly long list of reasons i am looking to get out of the game. I get more exhausted as the year goes on, then recoup at Christmas as most things are shut down and i might only have to deal with the odd thing in a month off. But, then i just get more and more tired. By December i look like the living dead. Just praying that the interview i had this morning comes up trumps! You're a pretty well qualified guy VS, hope the interview went well mate, can't blame you for wanting to change careers. Makes me laugh when people just quote the money that FIFO guys are on and don't think about the downsides. Aren't you in a union? Couldn't see a union wearing someone getting disciplined for not answering their phone on their day off, if they did accept it they aren't doing their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I have never heard of being able to transfer LSL My wife can sort of transfer it. Works as a nurse and I think it's the amount of time spent in the sector, not in any one particular hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell123321 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Haven't lived in Australia but currently in the UK OH works two jobs first job he gets about 24 days off (He works 4 day weeks) (this includes bank holidays and he gets an extra day I think for long service). His other job his not been in long and only works there 1-2 days a week and gets no paid holidays. (Unpaid only). For myself I work from home as the company secretary/administrator for a company but unfortunately I don't get any paid holidays. I am going away in about an hour for a mini break but unfortunately laptop has to come and getting up early in the mornings to work/evening and have a phone available for calls. I am hoping when we manage to move to Australia I may get at least a proper weeks holiday :cute: hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovingtoTasmania Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 A company in the UK has to follow the working time regulations so the minimum was 4.8 weeks holiday including public holidays I think this went up to 5.2 weeks shortly after we left the UK. It's 5.6 weeks now, so 28 days, but since this includes Bank Holidays, small firms can give 20 days plus Bank Holidays = 28 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolac34 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Sorry but more fool you for letting a company treat you like that! You must love your job. Hahahaha! Nope, just all part of the RSMS visa clause.....2 years with the Company or I could lose it. Seems like they'll beat me to it with the redundancy though, my 2 years are up a month yesterday and I would have been looking to leave pretty much straight away, but as it is now I'll stick it out to the bitter end to get the severance. It was actually brought up in my appraisal one year (and used as a reason I didn't get my full bonus) that I wasn't as 'available' as I should have been outside office hours. We are dual listed and have a Houston office, so therefore I'm expected to answer their questions when they are up - although I draw the line at bed time and do switch the phone to silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hahahaha! Nope, just all part of the RSMS visa clause.....2 years with the Company or I could lose it. Seems like they'll beat me to it with the redundancy though, my 2 years are up a month yesterday and I would have been looking to leave pretty much straight away, but as it is now I'll stick it out to the bitter end to get the severance. It was actually brought up in my appraisal one year (and used as a reason I didn't get my full bonus) that I wasn't as 'available' as I should have been outside office hours. We are dual listed and have a Houston office, so therefore I'm expected to answer their questions when they are up - although I draw the line at bed time and do switch the phone to silent. Sounds like there could be an American connection there Nickey. I've been on quite a few courses run by Americans and they love to "take you out of your comfort zone". Stupid things like making you stay late to debate something you've been talking about for hours already and they seem to love getting people arguing and falling out with each other. I just refuse to play the game and when it's time to leave, usually around 5:00 I'm up and off and just say to the guy or gal running it tell me what happened tomorrow. I love to see them get flustered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 All depends on the company, there is no set standard. We get 20 days then a day extra for each year served upto 5 years so 25 days max. Then your public holidays on top. Not quite as 28 days (29 in Scotland) is the legal minimum (this includes bank holidays but they don't need to be given on that day), so it's not entirely down to the company, it is as you say common to get extra days for service & quite often these will be 'matched' by a new employer - my last permanent job in the UK I had 42 days leave (inc. bank holidays) and that was from the day I started. I went to 4 weeks paid leave plus bank holidays in Perth but that would have never increased and that seems to be the norm. Compensated by LSL? Maybe but I would never have stayed anywhere long enough to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Sorry but more fool you for letting a company treat you like that! You must love your job. What she described is normal for many people. It has been normal for me my entire working life. If you want to keep your job you have to do it. Actually, I don't do the working to midnight stuff, but the principle of being required to work whatever hours are required (for no extra pay) is very embedded everywhere I have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Can't speak for "typically" but for my wife.............NHS 3 weeks holiday 40hr week 3 wks annual leave(19yrs ago)....................Oz Qld Health 36hr week 6wks annual leave lesser commute by half also That wouldn't be legal in the UK now! The reason I say 'typical' is because that's what the data shows, of course there are individual differences and a lot of work/life balance is individual choice. I think a lot of people use migrating as a 'life laundry' exercise and don't just change their location but also their priorities. You don't actually need to migrate to do that though! Whether in the UK or Australia we do pretty well for annual leave entitlements though! http://uk.mercer.com/press-releases/holiday-entitlements-around-the-world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I would imagine that, depending on the industry, and/or the level of your job, you are expected to put in extra hours, and even if you are not particularly high up in a company, you might feel the pressure to work back. I would also imagine, that in certain multi-national companies, or in similar industries, whichever country you are in, you would be expected to 'knuckle-down?' A couple of adverts always stuck in my mind from when I was back in the UK, one showing a working mum on an overseas trip, being able to read a bedtime story to her son because she had the 'right' brand of mobile phone, and the other showing a boss, giving his two underlings a weekend rush job to produce a report for him first thing on Monday morning. 'Sorry guys, but I need this by 9am Monday.' Same thing really, the guy with the superior laptop or whatever it was, seamlessly producing the report, whilst taking the kids to football, shopping, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janlo Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Our place and my wifes is 3 months leave after 10 years service. Then it keeps accruing pro rata, bit like getting an extra week per year once you're past 10 years. No wonder Australia is the worst place I the world for permanent/full time positions ! companies just cant afford to employ...yeh nice one unions :arghh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Haven't lived in Australia but currently in the UK OH works two jobs first job he gets about 24 days off (He works 4 day weeks) (this includes bank holidays and he gets an extra day I think for long service). His other job his not been in long and only works there 1-2 days a week and gets no paid holidays. (Unpaid only). For myself I work from home as the company secretary/administrator for a company but unfortunately I don't get any paid holidays. I am going away in about an hour for a mini break but unfortunately laptop has to come and getting up early in the mornings to work/evening and have a phone available for calls. I am hoping when we manage to move to Australia I may get at least a proper weeks holiday :cute: hehe. If you are in a permanent role then you are entitled to paid holidays by law. If they are not paying it, then you could get on the case now, or wait till you leave and are getting ready for the move and insist on getting them paid out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 You're a pretty well qualified guy VS, hope the interview went well mate, can't blame you for wanting to change careers. Makes me laugh when people just quote the money that FIFO guys are on and don't think about the downsides. Aren't you in a union? Couldn't see a union wearing someone getting disciplined for not answering their phone on their day off, if they did accept it they aren't doing their job. Yep, if the job comes off - i am down to one of two left from over 200 candidates, then it will mean a 50% pay cut. But, none of this spending all my time at home answering mails or calls. No union for us as we are the ones they dont like - management. We have our proffessional bodies, but they are useless at the best of times. I only stay a member because i need it to sign off reports that go to the stock market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell123321 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 If you are in a permanent role then you are entitled to paid holidays by law. If they are not paying it, then you could get on the case now, or wait till you leave and are getting ready for the move and insist on getting them paid out At the moment I am on not on a permanent contract I work when there is work available (I guess like a contractor) however there has been work every week (which is good as I get paid) since I started last year. However later on this year they are looking at putting me on a permanent contract once I have been with them for a year so will have more rights then. I do enjoy the work but sometimes I end up doing 14+ hour days, other days less so I guess it balances out but would love a paid holiday :-p! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hahahaha! Nope, just all part of the RSMS visa clause.....2 years with the Company or I could lose it. Seems like they'll beat me to it with the redundancy though, my 2 years are up a month yesterday and I would have been looking to leave pretty much straight away, but as it is now I'll stick it out to the bitter end to get the severance. It was actually brought up in my appraisal one year (and used as a reason I didn't get my full bonus) that I wasn't as 'available' as I should have been outside office hours. We are dual listed and have a Houston office, so therefore I'm expected to answer their questions when they are up - although I draw the line at bed time and do switch the phone to silent. Ah so they have had you by the short and curlies because of your visa, well hang in there for your redundancy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 What she described is normal for many people. It has been normal for me my entire working life. If you want to keep your job you have to do it. Actually, I don't do the working to midnight stuff, but the principle of being required to work whatever hours are required (for no extra pay) is very embedded everywhere I have worked. Must say I have friends in a broad range of occupations and have never come across it, in fact I find it quite alien, perhaps you should consider a change of career if you are expected to work for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I have heard it said on here many times and it is another myth about Australia - typically in Australia working hours are longer, annual leave is less and unless you work in London the commute is longer if you live in Perth, Melbourne or Sydney than in most UK cities (unless you are loaded!) We didn't find the quality of time together better either but one thing I did notice was a lot of socialising was done as a family children and adults together, personally I didn't like that but maybe it suits some people. Absolutely disagree with your comment on commuting it's not just London with nightmare commutes, try getting into York, Leeds, Sheffield, Liverpool or Manchester or any number of other cities of a morning will make Perth's commute look like a breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Absolutely disagree with your comment on commuting it's not just London with nightmare commutes, try getting into York, Leeds, Sheffield, Liverpool or Manchester or any number of other cities of a morning will make Perth's commute look like a breeze. Ever tired driving into perth in rush hour..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Ever tired driving into perth in rush hour..? No I just know half a dozen people that do daily, and some that drive for a living around Perth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 No I just know half a dozen people that do daily, and some that drive for a living around Perth. Well I can assure you 100% that it's very congested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Well I can assure you 100% that it's very congested I know that, I was disgreeing with a post saying anywhere in the UK with the exception of London has a better commute than Perth, I did Harrogate to Leeds for 18 months It took 1hr 45 in the morning and 1hr 30 min in the evening for a trip of about 19 miles. I travel into Halifax where I come off the M62 at J26 it can take an hour to do the 7 miles along the A58 into Halifax town centre I know all about congested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I know that, I was disgreeing with a post saying anywhere in the UK with the exception of London has a better commute than Perth, I did Harrogate to Leeds for 18 months It took 1hr 45 in the morning and 1hr 30 min in the evening for a trip of about 19 miles. I travel into Halifax where I come off the M62 at J26 it can take an hour to do the 7 miles along the A58 into Halifax town centre I know all about congested. Why didn't you take the train if the traffic was that bad..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Why didn't you take the train if the traffic was that bad..? Because the rail system in the UK is on par with a third world country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Because the rail system in the UK is on par with a third world country.. Just think of all them wasted hours in your car when you could of done that journey in less than half the time.. What's that saying..!! ' preparation is everything ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainR Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I am moving to Oz for a job with more money and more leave... Thanks to unions and protectionism in Oz unlike the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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