Tony Abbott has done it. He has stopped the boats.

[Guest]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-cuts-university-support-funds-priests-training-20141204-120a3c.html

 

Well that will help the economy in the future...

[Parley]

Very good news that Temporary Protection Visas have been reintroduced by parliament.

 

This has been a major stumbling block to getting the large backlog of asylum seekers assessed.

Many of the original arrivals will now be able to be released onto the mainland and be able to work.

A good outcome for them.

 

I am a believer in TPVs and hope that many could return to their homes if the situation has improved in their countries after 3 or 5 years.

[Guest]

Or let as many stay as possible will reduce government debt per person...a cracking pointless stat used to scare folk.

[robfromdublin]

I thought the government told all asylum seekers that they would never end up on the Australian mainland?

[Xenon4017]

I thought the government told all asylum seekers that they would never end up on the Australian mainland?

 

Not permanently settled.

[robfromdublin]

So how long have they got on these TPVs? Do they get shipped back to Nauru or whatever when they're finished?

[Parley]

I thought the government told all asylum seekers that they would never end up on the Australian mainland?

 

There was a magic date. Ie anyone who arrives from today (when it was announced) will never be settled in Australia and will go straight to Manus Island or Nauru.

 

My understanding, and I stand to be corrected if someone knows better, is that the ones who now can be settled on the mainland are the backlog from the Labor days, or the ones who arrived before the magic date.

I think there are something like 30000 in the backlog who came during the Labor days and are yet to be processed.

 

I believe TPVs are for 3 years and are then reviewed.

[noworriesmate]

I'm not always the biggest fan of Russell but I think he hits the nail on the head with this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

NWM

[Parley]

I was just reading about that poor surgeon in Melbourne almost stabbed to death by a refugee.

Too many stories like that sadly.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/surgeon-speaks-about-being-stabbed-at-footscray-hospital-20140711-zt4wn.html

Edited February 6, 2015 by parleycross

[Rossmoyne]

I was just reading about that poor surgeon in Melbourne almost stabbed to death by a refugee.

Too many stories like that sadly.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/surgeon-speaks-about-being-stabbed-at-footscray-hospital-20140711-zt4wn.html

 

 

Whilst that was very very sad...... genuine Refugees need all the help they can get. Unlike the scum that usually get in through this window..... the Lindt murderer was a so called refugee who had false papers and should never have been let into this country, as we now know. No wonder it is taking longer to process so called refugees (read Boat People) who try to enter Australia. Good on the government for being more thorough... we don't need islamist supporters in this country.

[Parley]

And the 2 guys arrested this week planning a beheading.

Pretty sure 1 was an asylum seeker and 1 came in on a false passport.

[Rossmoyne]

I rest my case.

[Parley]

Good news today announced that Manus Island detention centre will close soon.

 

It is great that due to Tony Abbott's legacy of stopping the illegal boat arrivals we are now in a position to wind down the offshore camps.

 

We do need to keep our guard up again.

 

Malcolm Turnbull will go down in infamy if they start up again.

[Perthbum]

it seems tony has done it.

 

Fantastic news to me and most australians.

 

and you as a pom is it good news?

[Guest241083]

Good news today announced that Manus Island detention centre will close soon.

 

It is great that due to Tony Abbott's legacy of stopping the illegal boat arrivals we are now in a position to wind down the offshore camps.

 

We do need to keep our guard up again.

 

Malcolm Turnbull will go down in infamy if they start up again.

 

........well I wonder if those in the camps are as pleased....

........the ones with the choice of return to where they fled from....

........or stay in a country that doesn't want them....doesn't have the resources.....

........best keep them all out......because one bad apple...!

[BacktoDemocracy]

Good news today announced that Manus Island detention centre will close soon.

 

It is great that due to Tony Abbott's legacy of stopping the illegal boat arrivals we are now in a position to wind down the offshore camps.

 

We do need to keep our guard up again.

 

Malcolm Turnbull will go down in infamy if they start up again.

 

No, it will be you and Tony Abbott who will go down in infamy for even contemplating it as an answer to a humanitarian problem, the rest of the world which considers refugees as humans escaping oppression holds Australia as failing in its international and humanitarian obligations.

What Australia instituted was a secretive inhuman and abusive system of concentration camps to protect a political system built on prejudice that stretches back over a 100 years

[Parley]

Well as you well know we had 1200 drownings and something like 12000 illegal boat arrival before this was brought in.

 

Since then 0 drownings. So actually Tony Abbott has saved thousands of lives.

 

If we didn't do offshore processing we would still have a boat arriving every day with several hundred on each boat.

It would be impossible for Australia to cope with the influx of people wanting to move here.

[Guest241083]

...........we have stopped the drownings in Australian waters....

...........but we havnt solved the problem of refugees....

...........we havnt even helped...!

............their still there......desperate for somewhere....

.............and we need to do our share of humanitarian help.....

...............not just push them out of sight....

[Parley]

Of course we need to do our share, and we do.

We take refugees from the refugee camps eg we are taking 12000 from the Syrian crisis.

 

But it is not up to Australia to solve the world's refugee crisis.

 

 

Largely this is the fault of Obama for not dealing with ISIS quickly enough.

[Guest241083]

..........Australia does not do its share....!

..........this has been discussed many times.....

..........and its Australia's responsibility to take a larger proportion than they do....

..........and fault....!

...........does it matter now.....?

...........we are part of a global community....

...........not just a seperate being ,behaving like a spoilt child...

............I didn't do it so why should I help......

............help for the good of the worlds family.......we all belong to the human race....!

[Parley]

I said we do need to help in proportion to our capability.

We are not going to solve the problem and if we do too much we make it worse by providing an incentive to make risky sea journeys, as has been seen in the past.

[Guest241083]

 

When we find someone on a leaky boat at sea, fearing for their life, we should rescue them, not tow them away.

....................Unfortunately, we have lost sight of the humanitarian aspect.....

..................instead have policies that prioritise self-interest,and the crisis will only worsen....

......................Sixty years ago, Australia helped draft the Refugee Convention, it was one of the first countries to sign it.

...................so rather than looking to outsource its responsibilities, Australia needs to once more show global leadership,

....................to prioritises protection, human life and human dignity.

.....................it's not going to be easy, but the scale of the problem is getting worse and Australia needs to act now.

[BacktoDemocracy]

Well as you well know we had 1200 drownings and something like 12000 illegal boat arrival before this was brought in.

 

Since then 0 drownings. So actually Tony Abbott has saved thousands of lives.

 

If we didn't do offshore processing we would still have a boat arriving every day with several hundred on each boat.

It would be impossible for Australia to cope with the influx of people wanting to move here.

 

Let us all face it, Australia is up there with all the nasty authoritarian regimes trying to keep refugees off their soil.

All the excuses, denials and obfuscations will not alter that.

Italy and Greece, who have been inundated with asylum seekers, have not resorted to these inhuman camps which reduce people to the status of medieval hostages.

[Diane]

Makes me weep to read this (from theaimn.com written by Kaye Lee who is an excellent researcher)

 

"Peter Dutton is upset about the allegations that there is anything wrong with Australia’s offshore gulags.“I’ve spent much of my professional career investigating sexual assaults and assaults against people and arresting people for that. I take these issues very seriously.”

 

Dutton left the police force when he was 28 after working in the drug squad.

“The trouble, frankly, with the approach of the Guardian and the ABC has been to trivialise the very serious issues by trying to promote the 2,100 reports as somehow all of those being serious when they’re not. Many of those reports relate to corporal punishment by children by their own parents. They report about some minor assaults by detainees on detainees, refugees on refugees. ”

The Guardian in fact highlighted the allegations of family violence in the Nauru files and broke down the incident reports by seriousness and category.

“We are going through all of that information. It doesn’t help that the files leaked by Save the Children, they’ve only put out a redacted version. We’ve asked them for all of the details.”

Save the Children did not leak the files and the government already has the original unredacted copies.

He later said: “I’m not going to be defamed by the Guardian and by the ABC because we are doing everything within our power to provide support to people.”

Defamed? FFS this man is too much. People have died. People have been raped and beaten. People are self-harming.

According to the minister’s department, 98% of the men on Manus who have had their refugees claims assessed have been found to be refugees with a “well-founded fear of protection” in their homelands but “there is no third-country option available for people out of Manus at this point in time. We have a look at these people to help them return back to their country of origin or they settle in PNG. They are the two options available to these people.”

Hell or death.

For Dutton to say he will “look into” the allegations is gobsmacking. Perhaps he might like to read these reports while he is at it.

NAURU

 

 

• Amnesty International, Nauru Offshore Processing Facility Review 2012 (released November 2012)
  
• United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Mission to the Republic of Nauru: 3 to 5 December 2012 (released 14 December 2012)
  
• United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees monitoring visit to the Republic of Nauru 7 to 9 October 2013 (released 27 November 2013)
  
• Keith Hamburger AM, Nauru Review 2013: Executive Report of the Review into the 19 July 2013 Incident at the Nauru Regional Processing Centre (released 8 November 2014)
  
• Australian Human Rights Commission, The Forgotten Children (dated November 2014)
  
• Phillip Moss, Review into recent allegations relating to conditions and circumstances at the Regional Processing Centre in Nauru (released March 2015)
  
• Senate Select Committee, Taking Responsibility: Conditions and Circumstances at Australia’s Regional Processing Centre in Nauru (released 31 August 2015)
  
• C Doogan, Review of recommendation nine from the Moss Review (released 15 January 2016)
  
• Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee Inquiry, Conditions and treatment of asylum seekers and refugees at the regional processing centres in the Republic of Nauru and Papua New Guinea (Interim report issued in May 2016 when Committee lapsed for 2016 federal election)
  
• Australian Women in Support of Women on Nauru, Protection denied, Abuse Condoned: Women on Nauru at Risk(released June 2016)
  

 

PNG

 

 

• United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Monitoring Visit to Manus Island, Papua New Guinea: 15 to 17 January 2013 (released 4 February 2013)
  
• United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Monitoring Visit to Manus Island, Papua New Guinea: 11 to 13 June 2013(released 12 July 2013)
  
• United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees monitoring visit to Manus Island, Papua New Guinea 23 to 25 October 2013 (released 27 November 2013)
  
• Amnesty International, This is Breaking People: Human Rights Violations at Australia’s Asylum Seeker Processing Centre on Manus Island, Papua New Guinea (released December 2013)
  
• Robert Cornall AO, Review into the events of 16–18 February 2014 at the Manus Regional Processing Centre (dated May 2014)
  
• Robert Cornall AO, Review into Allegations of Sexual and Other Serious Assaults at the Manus Regional Processing Centre(released September 2014)
  
• Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee Inquiry into the incident at the Manus Island Detention Centre from 16 February to 18 February 2014 (released 11 December 2014)
  
• Human Rights Watch and Human Rights Law Centre, The Pacific Non-Solution: Two years on, refugees face uncertainty, restrictions on rights (dated July 2015)
  
• Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee Inquiry, Conditions and treatment of asylum seekers and refugees at the regional processing centres in the Republic of Nauru and Papua New Guinea (Interim report issued in May 2016 when Committee lapsed for 2016 federal election)"
  

 

[flag of convenience]

A complete disgrace in all aspects of policy. If a government can behave with such impunity towards laws it has signed up to, then we are all potentially victims to any aspects of our freedoms and rights that any government deems to be irrelevant.