Incata Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Really Pablo, how come I have to put you over my knee at least 60 times a week, anyone would think you enjoyed it :laugh: Behave yourself!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Really Pablo, how come I have to put you over my knee at least 60 times a week, anyone would think you enjoyed it :laugh: When i visit Kate,when i visit........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieshrimp Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 We are trying to decide whether move is for us too. Husband is a uk cop of many years and I was a civilian with uk police but am now a registered chilminder. We have two young shool age kids and know this wil be a huge life change for 4 of us. We want to move to provide kids with a more outdoor lifestyle and see more of what oz can offer. We are sick of the rain and cold and grey sky in england and feel this affects peoples moods and opportunities to plan time off together. A lot of kids here are obsessed with xbox, nintendo and other computer games, maybe if our weather was more consistently dry they could enjoy the outdoors more. We are not moving to have more money or bigger house, just more chances to live more outdoors and embrace the aussie lifestyle. Adelaide is our first choice. Our stumbling block is getting into oz police. With infrequent international recruitment drives, long service in specialised role not frontline, we do wonder if its best to get permanent residency visa first then apply to the police forces to start again as a recruit. Not sure if this is possible???? Havent given up hope yet but havent sarched as long as you. Good luck. My 18 year idea of moving to oz aint gonna happen because it doesnt make financial sense from my research. I dont think we would be any better off in oz in terms of salary and would have to start again with house, schools etc. Does anybody think differently - that we WOULD be better off in oz as two public sector workers? Police and council, one PT one FT Thanks for any views.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikey Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Well I have learnt from this thread that they have been making police redundancies which I was not aware of. It is a worry...it's really hard to judge how it compares to here where there are no promotions at present :confused: We are trying to decide whether move is for us too. Husband is a uk cop of many years and I was a civilian with uk police but am now a registered chilminder. We have two young shool age kids and know this wil be a huge life change for 4 of us. We want to move to provide kids with a more outdoor lifestyle and see more of what oz can offer. We are sick of the rain and cold and grey sky in england and feel this affects peoples moods and opportunities to plan time off together. A lot of kids here are obsessed with xbox, nintendo and other computer games, maybe if our weather was more consistently dry they could enjoy the outdoors more. We are not moving to have more money or bigger house, just more chances to live more outdoors and embrace the aussie lifestyle. Adelaide is our first choice. Our stumbling block is getting into oz police. With infrequent international recruitment drives, long service in specialised role not frontline, we do wonder if its best to get permanent residency visa first then apply to the police forces to start again as a recruit. Not sure if this is possible???? Havent given up hope yet but havent sarched as long as you. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ptp113 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Ok well that's two members on a warning for tonight, anyone want to make it three? Please discuss the topic like responsible adults, there is no need for personal attacks or accusing a person of lying just because their experience is different to yours. I like threesomes so you can add me please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 http://policecareer.vic.gov.au/ This is the site for Victoria and there are similar sites for the other States. They are recruiting and if you look through the sites and send an email you may find the information you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpo1971 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Salary packaging isn't a tax avoidance scheme, that's a ridiculous, uninformed thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 My own experience of working in health and hubby working in broadcasting - we had a comfortable life in the UK, both took a drop in salary and a step back career wise initially because we wanted the change in lifestyle. We have had a very comparable life here in Aus to that of the UK, the gains haven't all been materialistic - but it's worked for us. I would discourage you if you haven't got a job lined up - I think that puts extra pressure on the whole migration process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pommyaussie Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 All of Oz might not be, but it's something I've heard off everybody i know who's moved here and it's certainly what i've seen. One of my mates mentioned at his workplace (public facing customer advice for students) that he thought they should have staggered lunches so that the phones were not left unmanned while everybody went out...his Director told him off for raising it, not good for staff morale apparently. Fk the customer, the point of the job is for them to be employed. That sort of thing :-) It's not meant to put you off, but it's a good indication of the environment. You have to fit in and it isn't that difficult, just very different to what you may have been used to. The point is, the frustrations you might feel at work are not always shared here and you have to just muck in....the emphasis is still very much on work to live, rather than live to work...which is a good thing. It's not all about the money if you can adapt..the quality of your own private life might be far superior. However, they do have a new PM who's very close to the UK Tories and seems to be working from the David Cameron/George Osborne textbook, anxious to transform a lot of business practices by hammering and slashing at the top to make sure the lessons are trickled down. The British way has been just to cut funding to such levels that local authorities simply cannot function in the ways they used to, forcing them to change drastically and put the service needs first. Australia's under no such financial pressure yet, but it's an ideological thing that Abbott seems to be embracing now that there's a template to follow. The place I work at, we have people now on leave til mid-February...it's the main school summer holidays and 6 weeks off work is not uncommon, which is a brilliant concession compared to the UK or god forbid, the USA where they get 2 or 3 weeks a year. The knock on effect is that there's no staff cover, no continuity planning, the work will get done when it's done. Very laid back, but you just can't see it lasting much longer with the new world economic climate starting to impact and a government that's starting to compare and contrast. absolutely spot on re observations on work ethic here. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Your issue would be I am not sure if you would get a visa without a transfer into the Australian police. We are trying to decide whether move is for us too. Husband is a uk cop of many years and I was a civilian with uk police but am now a registered chilminder. We have two young shool age kids and know this wil be a huge life change for 4 of us. We want to move to provide kids with a more outdoor lifestyle and see more of what oz can offer. We are sick of the rain and cold and grey sky in england and feel this affects peoples moods and opportunities to plan time off together. A lot of kids here are obsessed with xbox, nintendo and other computer games, maybe if our weather was more consistently dry they could enjoy the outdoors more. We are not moving to have more money or bigger house, just more chances to live more outdoors and embrace the aussie lifestyle. Adelaide is our first choice. Our stumbling block is getting into oz police. With infrequent international recruitment drives, long service in specialised role not frontline, we do wonder if its best to get permanent residency visa first then apply to the police forces to start again as a recruit. Not sure if this is possible???? Havent given up hope yet but havent sarched as long as you. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ptp113 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 absolutely spot on re observations on work ethic here. Agree 100% Might be the work ethic in your little world but I could count the days I had off on two hands and feet over the 20 odd years I spent in it here. I actually worked in the office(s) on most days when I was on leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest littlesarah Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Salary packaging of certain items is available to people who work in sectors other than the not-for-profit sector, but the benefits are more limited (e.g. where I work we can package car leasing costs, a computer used mainly for work, car parking charges) If I worked in public health I would be able to salary package many more things, but I would also be earning a lot less. So, the salary packaging scheme looks to me like a way of making up for wages that are below those that would be paid for similar work carried out in the private sector. I've seen some highly dedicated public sector workers, with a management team that extracts maximum value out of the resources they have, and I've also seen a team that is shockingly inefficient, and that in my view is largely a waste of public money (which is a shame, because with the right management attitude there is a lot of potential to provide an effective service that makes a real difference to a large number of people). So, I suspect the general picture out there in Australia is a 'mixed bag', varying by department and service. FWIW, my experience of the NHS was not of large-scale waste or inefficiency - we had to be able to demonstrate that what we did was effective in order to keep our funding. But the national nature of the NHS makes it easier to enforce uniformity, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pommyaussie Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Might be the work ethic in your little world but I could count the days I had off on two hands and feet over the 20 odd years I spent in it here. I actually worked in the office(s) on most days when I was on leave. I don't live in a little world thanks. Great that you've never had time off, that's your experience just like some of us have had a different experience of the work place. Doesn't make anyone wrong, just difference of opinion. And your aggressive behaviour is exactly the sort of thing we mean. Maybe you live in your own little world and can't accept a difference of opinion. You probably work at the type of place we mean where people are always aggressive when they disagree and they seem to work harder not smarter due to mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 My driver for moving is that I love oz.....and its culture Then go for it. That was our prime motivator. We both gave up good jobs in the middle of a recession in the UK and one here too. We knew no-one, had never been before, not even to Aus on a visit, don't have any family or friends here. I was out of work for 5 months, my wife got a job after a couple of weeks, she's a nurse. Been the best thing we ever did. Honestly don't think we gave finances a thought. Just got to the point in the UK where we had been married about 3 years, had an end terrace house that we had to spend loads on, first youngster came along, couldn't afford a holiday abroad for the first time in about 20 years and the summer was crap. We just got to the point of thinking is this as good as it gets. We know now that it's not, may as well live somewhere we can have a mini holiday every time we get a chance to be off work, including every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 All of Oz might not be, but it's something I've heard off everybody i know who's moved here and it's certainly what i've seen. One of my mates mentioned at his workplace (public facing customer advice for students) that he thought they should have staggered lunches so that the phones were not left unmanned while everybody went out...his Director told him off for raising it, not good for staff morale apparently. Fk the customer, the point of the job is for them to be employed. That sort of thing :-) It's not meant to put you off, but it's a good indication of the environment. You have to fit in and it isn't that difficult, just very different to what you may have been used to. The point is, the frustrations you might feel at work are not always shared here and you have to just muck in....the emphasis is still very much on work to live, rather than live to work...which is a good thing. It's not all about the money if you can adapt..the quality of your own private life might be far superior. However, they do have a new PM who's very close to the UK Tories and seems to be working from the David Cameron/George Osborne textbook, anxious to transform a lot of business practices by hammering and slashing at the top to make sure the lessons are trickled down. The British way has been just to cut funding to such levels that local authorities simply cannot function in the ways they used to, forcing them to change drastically and put the service needs first. Australia's under no such financial pressure yet, but it's an ideological thing that Abbott seems to be embracing now that there's a template to follow. The place I work at, we have people now on leave til mid-February...it's the main school summer holidays and 6 weeks off work is not uncommon, which is a brilliant concession compared to the UK or god forbid, the USA where they get 2 or 3 weeks a year. The knock on effect is that there's no staff cover, no continuity planning, the work will get done when it's done. Very laid back, but you just can't see it lasting much longer with the new world economic climate starting to impact and a government that's starting to compare and contrast. I think that's the first post where I've seen anyone compare holiday entitlements here favourably with anywhere. Usually people are moaning about only getting 4 weeks a year off, when they were used to more in the UK. I think 4 weeks is about average leave and that has to be accrued. I am in the lucky position of being with the same company for 20 years now so have about 18 weeks of long service leave to come + about 4 weeks of annual leave. Our place has been shut down over Christmas and we were forced to take 7 days of annual leave, that's usually a thing that people complain about. I've seen a lot of posts about perks for health workers. It all depends on where you work, it's not across the board for everyone. My wife has worked at Royal Perth, the child Health Centre and is now in Oncology and the only thing she has been able to get is a novated lease car. Whether that's a perk or not is debatable. If you don't do enough kilometres you get a massive Fringe Benefit Tax bill. I had one job where I had a car provided and that was a great perk, but I also had a job in the UK with the same perk. Let's face it every job and working environment is different, even if you changed jobs in the UK it would be different from your last one. Personalities come into it. Hopefully you wouldn't go into a new position in the UK and say "we used to do it such and such a way in my last place", that would go down really well. My wife has had a few instances of this between people from different hospitals and people who've moved from the UK. "We didn't do it like this in Manchester Royal/Royal Perth/Princess Margaret" doesn't go down too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I spent 4 years in the public sector in WA and Slean Wolfhead's post had me smiling in agreement - that's exactly how it was where i worked. I'd never worked tin the public sector before and it was a revelation. I had a fully expensed car including an allocated parking space - I didn't need one to do my job whatsoever, it was simply a 'perk' of my grade. I opted for 14 weeks leave a year, which i took but had many colleagues which months of untaken leave built up. I got used to nothing ever getting done and my OH (who worked there too) gave up even trying. The majority of people I worked with could never ever have stayed in employment in the private sector, either down to their incompetence or attitude. It might be that you work in the health sector Fisheys and that could well be VERY different to public administration. As far as tax breaks are concerned certainly in WA health workers were on one hell of a legal tax avoidance scheme, they could claim all kind of 'pre-tax' expenses up to a certain amount per annum (I think it was $10K??) in 'Salary Packaging'. There was a huge expose of fraud because nurses were found getting receipts from friends, refuse etc. and claiming. The scheme itself was part of the employment contract though. I almost lost an employee to Health because even the corporate team members got it. I've found reference to it here as a 'Meal entertainment package' http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2066276 Here's a newspaper article about the abuse of the same tax breaks http://www.smh.com.au/national/doctors-make-meal-of-tax-break-for-hospital-employees-20091014-gxgn.html I have to be honest and say I cannot see any justification for this allowance for health workers whatsoever, they should just pay the right level of salary in the first place! If i could claim it i would though. If you do work in health i suggest you talk to your union rep and/or accountant as they will be able to assist you in getting the benefits of all tax breaks available to you. And maybe apologise to Slean Wolfhead who may have just saved you a couple of $1000 a year What was your problem again???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Might be the work ethic in your little world but I could count the days I had off on two hands and feet over the 20 odd years I spent in it here. I actually worked in the office(s) on most days when I was on leave. More fool you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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