Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hi this is my very first post on PIO forums so I apologize if this doesn't turn out well. Basically I just found out that my parents have been tying to migrate to Australia to be near us for the past 18 months. Since we have had two children, they want to be here to help us so getting here fairly quickly is something they would like. However, I'm not sure where to start with them. I'll try and keep things brief. My husband and I moved here almost 5 years ago, we hold pernament visas. My parents are now 48 and 50 yrs old. My step dad is a plumber and also has gas certificates, my mum has a complicated job, however, she tells me she applied for a job but was refused because they wouldn't sponsor her for a visa due to her age!! They both wish to continue working. My step dad currently owns his own business. I guess I'm wondering what the quickest and least costly way is to get them out here? I've looked at so many visas but they either cost the earth or take a long time. Do you think it would be best to make an appointment o speak to someone in immigration? I'm sure my step dad would be able to get a business visa due to his skills and he is younger than my mum. I'm thinking that a business visa is cheaper and quicker as the parent visas are both very costly and can take years. The quick method can cost around $42,0000 and the slow method possibly a wait up to 15 years. My parents have money and can support themselves but I know that it would be silly for them to spend so much on a visa. it seems your parents can only migrate if you have a lot of money or are prepared to wait a long time. Their support would be more valuable to us now, as we have two children under two. Anyway can anyone give me any info? Has anyone got their parents out here? How did you do it? How long did it take? I should also mention that my parents are coming on holiday in January for a few weeks. There are in shore options as well aren't there? Thank you I hope someone can help me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36187 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 First thing to think of.... How many children and stepchildren do mum and stepdad have and where do they live? It's called the balance of family test. There has to be equal or more kids in Australian order to proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrussell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hi this is my very first post on PIO forums so I apologize if this doesn't turn out well. Basically I just found out that my parents have been tying to migrate to Australia to be near us for the past 18 months. Since we have had two children, they want to be here to help us so getting here fairly quickly is something they would like. However, I'm not sure where to start with them. I'll try and keep things brief. My husband and I moved here almost 5 years ago, we hold pernament visas. My parents are now 48 and 50 yrs old. My step dad is a plumber and also has gas certificates, my mum has a complicated job, however, she tells me she applied for a job but was refused because they wouldn't sponsor her for a visa due to her age!! They both wish to continue working. My step dad currently owns his own business. I guess I'm wondering what the quickest and least costly way is to get them out here? I've looked at so many visas but they either cost the earth or take a long time. Do you think it would be best to make an appointment o speak to someone in immigration? I'm sure my step dad would be able to get a business visa due to his skills and he is younger than my mum. I'm thinking that a business visa is cheaper and quicker as the parent visas are both very costly and can take years. The quick method can cost around $42,0000 and the slow method possibly a wait up to 15 years. My parents have money and can support themselves but I know that it would be silly for them to spend so much on a visa. it seems your parents can only migrate if you have a lot of money or are prepared to wait a long time. Their support would be more valuable to us now, as we have two children under two. Anyway can anyone give me any info? Has anyone got their parents out here? How did you do it? How long did it take? Thank you Step one - find out whether your parents satisfy the balance of family criterion. Step two - prepare to budget AUD $100 000 + A business visa would require a greater budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I am the only child - thanks for your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 It's so expensive isn't it? I'm sure it will put them off & I feel so torn. Like we'd just be better going back to the uk fr family support but we love it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Very little cance I am afraid unless the ave plenty f money, can't tey just visit each year for a few months at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Very little cance I am afraid unless the ave plenty f money, can't tey just visit each year for a few months at a time? I was hoping there may be a cheaper way :sad: They have money but it's a lot to give up especially when they need to prepare for their retirement - it sucks you can only get in if you pay a lot, otherwise if you pay the affordable amount then you have to wait. Like everything in this life you get no where unless you have money? Hope I don't offend saying that! My husband and I have little money but my parents would pay the visa costs anyway and we wouldn't need to support them. If only they could get a sponsor from an employer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyNook Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Everything related to migration is based on money - theres no doubt about it. Frankly, Australia doesn't really want or need older people - they don't have many tax-paying years left and they cost too much health-wise. The large visa fees are just a way of offsetting the potential costs to the community. Letting everyone's parents in cheaply would mean that hospital waiting lists would be longer, aged care would be difficult to get and taxes would be higher. I don't really have a problem with a parent having to pay around $20k each to get in. I reckon it's quite a reasonable cost to be able to live permanently in a first-world country with good medical facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36187 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There are no step children in the equation for your parents???? the contributory parent visa costs but if you are the only child, this can be done. Do any of them have a skill that would assist them in securing a visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Everything related to migration is based on money - theres no doubt about it. Frankly, Australia doesn't really want or need older people - they don't have many tax-paying years left and they cost too much health-wise. The large visa fees are just a way of offsetting the potential costs to the community. Letting everyone's parents in cheaply would mean that hospital waiting lists would be longer, aged care would be difficult to get and taxes would be higher. I don't really have a problem with a parent having to pay around $20k each to get in. I reckon it's quite a reasonable cost to be able to live permanently in a first-world country with good medical facilities. Thanks I understand what your saying about health issues etc. Both myself & husband are nurses we fully understand hospital waits. I guess you put a bit of perspective on the issue. However, having your parents here when you have small children is beneficial also as they will replace day care & child care issues to a degree! How does the immigration system expect people to support themselves with age if it costs them so much to get here? What I mean is the money spent to get here would be the money they have towards supporting themselves while here! If that makes sense? Someone mentioned $100,0000 that's a lot of money to take out of your retirement money. It makes me quite sad. If they were millionaires they'd come tomorrow but because they aren't thy can't. :-( such a shame. Thanks for changing my perspective though. My parents would all be happy to maybe come temporarily as well which is something else I could look into, I mean for a few years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sarah_sh_84 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There are no step children in the equation for your parents???? the contributory parent visa costs but if you are the only child, this can be done. Do any of them have a skill that would assist them in securing a visa? No my step dad doesn't have any children only me. I'm totally the only child. He is a plumber and I saw it is on the list of skills. That's hey I was thinking a business visa? I really think I might have to arrange an appointment to see an immigration person to discuss the best options if the is even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36187 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I would talk to an agent and see what information you can gleam from them. Remember we are forum posts and not migration specialists, there are some agents who do post on here. George Lombard, Alan collet to name two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There are no step children in the equation for your parents???? the contributory parent visa costs but if you are the only child, this can be done. Do any of them have a skill that would assist them in securing a visa? She said in the op her dad s a plumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 No my step dad doesn't have any children only me. I'm totally the only child. He is a plumber and I saw it is on the list of skills. That's hey I was thinking a business visa? I really think I might have to arrange an appointment to see an immigration person to discuss the best options if the is even possible? A business visa and a skilled migrant visa are two VERY different things, which one do you mean? For the business visa he would need to be running his own company and have a very high turnover, I can't remember what but I am sure it is a good $0.5million a year. Once he gets he he would have to set up, employ Australian etc. Skilled migrant visa might be more realistic for most one man band plumbers, but the trouble is he might not be able to pass the points test at age 48, it gets very hard to pass after age 45 as there are no points for age and most people need to get age points to pass. Realistically, the parent visa others have mentioned looks like the best option. It costs what it costs, Australian immigration system does not consider itself responsible for reuniting parents and adult children that have chosen to move to the other side of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 You can do the tourist visa and have them fly out and renew. I'm not sure how feasible this is long term, but it could work for a few years while the kids are little. You get a lot of holidays in Bali for $100000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cochita Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What about a 457 visa? See if you can find a company willing to employ your stepdad and sponsor him, these visa's only last 4 years but if they are willing to come over on a temparery basis then this could be their cheapest option. The company can then also sponsor him for PR but he would need to do it quickly as I think they can make Exceptional circumstances for the age requirement 49 to 50 and it becomes more difficult over 50. You should speak to an agent I'm sure they tell you better than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloVera Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Step one - find out whether your parents satisfy the balance of family criterion. Step two - prepare to budget AUD $100 000 + A business visa would require a greater budget. Hi, sorry I can't offer any advice but I do have a question - how much quicker it is to get a contributory visa approved versus the standard parent visa? Also why have you suggested a budget of $100k when the visa is $42k? I'm guessing there are lots of additional costs to consider I just don't know what they are... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sids Dad Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 We came here ourselves on a Parental contributory visa, at the time we applied it cost us $55,000 plus the costs of an agent say $2000 then medicals, and police reports. You then have to consider whether you are going to transfer any pension money over into an Australian super fund. To be brutally honest it will all depend on how bad they want it. Money can be made over as your father is young enough to take up work again and to earn a decent wage. There are a lot of things to consider, one being whether his qualifications would be recognized in Australia as he may have to obtain different certs to match Australian standards. We have been here permanently now for nearly three years and regret none of it. Like your parents we were coming over regularly and spending nearly four grand a visit!! you add that up and deduct it from your visa costs and it would not be too long before you started to break even. So whats it to be? worry about your retirement or worry if the little one's hats on straight in the sunshine? I know which one I would take. By the way I hit 63 in June and my wife will be 65 in December. If we can do it so can your parents, believe me it's worth it but I know we are all different and have different perspectives. Good luck in whatever your parents choose and please keep us all posted. PPS I'm still working even though I was sick for 7 months and survived a botched operation, ( Hint) Life really is too short Just a foot note having seen the post above. I cannt say for sure how long a parental visa would take now but it took us about 18 months to obtain ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hi, sorry I can't offer any advice but I do have a question - how much quicker it is to get a contributory visa approved versus the standard parent visa? Also why have you suggested a budget of $100k when the visa is $42k? I'm guessing there are lots of additional costs to consider I just don't know what they are... Thanks The parent visa fee needs to be paid for each parent, not for one application. So that is most of the $100k that wrussell alludes to I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freckleface Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Just in relation to employer sponsored visas - unless someone has a niche skill set that can't be found in a younger person I doubt any employer would consider your parents. This isn't because employers are ageist - it's about balancing the long term benefit to the company against the costs and responsibilities associated with sponsorship. Most employers will have an eye on PR sponsorship if the sponsored person is good and wants to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sids Dad Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 The parent visa fee needs to be paid for each parent, not for one application. So that is most of the $100k that wrussell alludes to I guess. Well It must have gone up a hell of a lot Rupert as the $55K I quoted was for the pair of us. At the time it equated to 25,000 GBP (forgot about the crappy exchange rate!!). As I said in my other post, it depends on how bad you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Well It must have gone up a hell of a lot Rupert as the $55K I quoted was for the pair of us. At the time it equated to 25,000 GBP (forgot about the crappy exchange rate!!).As I said in my other post, it depends on how bad you want it. Well check the fees schedule. Second installment $42k per applicant for the contriutory parent permanent visa. http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/990i/parent.htm#c If you only paid $55k then indeed it has gone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36187 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think you'll find it is $42k for the application NOT per person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think you'll find it is $42k for the application NOT per person. No I think I won't, read the page of the link. Particularly this sentence. Before your visa is granted, you must pay the 2nd instalment of the Visa Application Charge for each person included on the application. It is $42k EACH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 How many geriatric couples have they dragged kicking and screaming to the airport to deport? You could always claim asylum. The UK has been very harsh to pensioners recently. Some would even say inhumane. Could you claim you were unfit to fly? I love civil disobediance. This could have legs if you got the numbers up. You should start up a facebook campaign! You could call them Goat people! (Geriatrics Outstay Alloted Time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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