sameer123 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Thanks Xenon4017. Ya, u pointed out correctly that I should make a list of potential employers and then take things forward when onshore. Point taken!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hey PW1, u totally misunderstood. I may have asked more questions but my intention was just to get some help from somewhere. On my front, I m also trying hard to find jobs. I also have friends in OZ but all of them have told me to try hard to get job from the day u get PR as they said it takes a lot of time to search job after coming here, entire family including spouse, kids and parents also suffer. I may not get a job until I m in OZ, but atleast I want to give my 100% in job search. So don't tell me what to do. People who genuinely want to help provide suggestions. Hello Sameer123, sorry, didn't you post to ask people what to do? And I suggested you read the thread. Once again, good luck, I wish you well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davlap Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I've been in Sydney since December and haven't had any issues finding work. There seems to be LOTS of IT jobs across the whole spectrum and any of the recruiters I've spoken to (a couple of whom are friends) have said the same. Generally in Sydney if you can speak good English, are white (sad but true), have the necessary skills and are willing to learn, you won't have any issues finding work. What you say is generally true, but you have to add a couple of things to your list: Experience! Not any experience, but most of the half dozen or so essentials listed. I was a developer in the UK for 20 years, never out of work (through a few downturns). I have heaps of experience. Jack of all trades, master of none maybe. Always seems to be a gotcha that I don't have. Age. Or lack of it! I am over 50. Another sad but true. Employers seem willing to take on a younger guy who is probably more likely to move on than me once he has the experience. Also, so say, they can mould younger people to fit the culture. I doubt anybody that is not new to the work force can be moulded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bromney Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I've been in Sydney since December and haven't had any issues finding work. There seems to be LOTS of IT jobs across the whole spectrum and any of the recruiters I've spoken to (a couple of whom are friends) have said the same. Generally in Sydney if you can speak good English, are white (sad but true), have the necessary skills and are willing to learn, you won't have any issues finding work. I'm not sure of the having to be white statement. I'm of Indian origin and have had no problems in securing jobs. Having said that I know a friend in Melbourne experienced issues when applying to the smaller companies but had more success with the bigger well known brands such as the big banks and big service companies like Hewlett Packard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameer123 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Hey Bromney, Thanks!! Nice point made there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davlap Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I was wondering for those of you who have no problems, could you list the skills that get you the jobs and the industry. I did have significant ETL (Informatica toolset) Data Warehouse, pl/sql, some java, C but could not get a job when we came over (2008, GFC just kicked off). Those skills are not current (6 plus years old now) so I have stopped selling them (but they are on my resume) For me, I am now in application support / analysis and only have general skills such as SQL / Oracle. No programming languages that are current, but have no problem reading almost any code. The issue for me is having industry / application specific experience. A lot if jobs of this type seem to be in retail / energy / health care which I don't have. I do have Trillium data quality software as I did support for the vendor company. This skill got me my last position (agencies were ringing me !), but there are not many companies using it in Aus. Edited May 23, 2014 by davlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hi davlap, IIRC you're not new to IT, and the skills that have stood you in good stead seem to have diminishing demand. However, I wouldn't stike them off your CV just yet. Most places won't list the old school stuff in the job ads because they think it'll put off the young blood who are only interested in .net. As an example, a company I know of were desperately trying to get a COBOL dev to help with a migration project, but they only mentioned the Oracle side of it. They went through candidate after candidate, until the last job ad I read said something like "Must have 2 years+ exp COBOL, _and want to use it_!". I still write MFC/C++ on a daily basis. I probably will be for the next 2 years minimum, maybe even 5, who knows. It's true that the pool is shrinking, but so are the number of fish. You could make an effort to try to learn a more modern language, but it's really hard to say which. One thing that I think always stand out, though, is if you are doing projects at home. It shows that you're passionate about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibbs Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 In the UK I used to write VB6 and a bit Excel/Access and a small amount of SQL development. The job before was a propriety language on *NIX boxes. Got a job in Aus doing .NET and SQL DBA, even though I'd not done either and wasn't qualified. 3 years later and I'm still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davlap Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Bibbs, you were pretty lucky, or a great interviewee. I have little doubt I can do a lot of the jobs on offer. Unfortunately as mentioned before I don't even get contacted. I have done heaps of jobs on the side with various languages and technologies which have ended up in a production environment. As Xenon4017 suggests, some of these old skills are still on my resume. Also I am thinking of what I could learn, maybe sharepoint / MS dynamics, both of which I have used. But these can be really difficult beyond the basics and again we get back to experience. ITIL is something I have looked at as a qualification as it is useful to have in a support role and most of it fairly straightforward. Edited May 24, 2014 by davlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Berry Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 This article was in the Career One job supplement in today's newspaper, thought it might be of interest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinliu Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The situation becomes worse especially for IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibbs Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Bibbs, you were pretty lucky, or a great interviewee. I've pretty much got an offer, for every job I've interviewed for. Except a graduate scheme for Compaq (which I didn't really like anyhow) when straight out of Uni. The main issue the industry has is the cheap resource of the Philippines on our doorstep. You need to be much more than a 'coder' now days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davlap Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I've pretty much got an offer, for every job I've interviewed for. Except a graduate scheme for Compaq (which I didn't really like anyhow) when straight out of Uni. . That was me in the UK. Once I got the interview I was usually in. Never kicked out, always left myself (mostly as a contractor, so not just doing short term permie jobs), never out of work. This is partly why I do think age is an issue for me (mid 50s). So far here, after probably hundreds of applications, about 5 interviews (not counting agency 'chats') and 2 jobs. Just applied for my perfect job (90% fit at least), that I have done for quite a few years on and off. Be interesting to see if I even get a reply. I have started calling back if I get no reply, but usually same response - others with a better skills fit. Edited June 9, 2014 by davlap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 That was me in the UK. Once I got the interview I was usually in.Never kicked out, always left myself (mostly as a contractor, so not just doing short term permie jobs), never out of work. This is partly why I do think age is an issue for me (mid 50s). So far here, after probably hundreds of applications, about 5 interviews (not counting agency 'chats') and 2 jobs. Just applied for my perfect job (90% fit at least), that I have done for quite a few years on and off. Be interesting to see if I even get a reply. I have started calling back if I get no reply, but usually same response - others with a better skills fit. You're most likely right with the age thing davlap. I know interviewers and employers are not supposed to choose based on things like age etc. but in the real world they do. They might be able to get a younger person, with more up to date skills at a lot cheaper price than a 50 year old with experience would expect. It's tough to take I know and I hope the job pans out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Really, no employer or agency should know how old you are until after the interview anyway. Definately don't put age identifying info in your resume (date of birth etc), year of completing degrees. I would leave all that out, and have the CV only go back about 10 years or so - 3 to 4 pages. You don't want to give them an excuse not to interview you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Really, no employer or agency should know how old you are until after the interview anyway. Definately don't put age identifying info in your resume (date of birth etc), year of completing degrees. I would leave all that out, and have the CV only go back about 10 years or so - 3 to 4 pages. You don't want to give them an excuse not to interview you. absolutely concur. I changed my resume to hide the fact I'm in my 50's and saw a real upturn in interest. I found it so hard to get roles as a contractor as even if I managed to get an interview (BA/Change management) was constantly told I was 'too experienced', 'would get bored easily' had 'more experience than the program manager' etc etc... I was lucky enough to find a consultancy that loved my experience and am now pretty much employed full time via them - Clients are really pleased when an older person turns up in a consultancy role.... It works for you not against you, and the Brisbane market seems much happier paying a consultancy $1500/$2000 a day for a resource than engaging someone with the same skills directly for half that rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo1507 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Hello, Me and my partner are looking to move to Australia (hopefully Perth) in the next 12-18months and I am just trying to get a feel for the jobs market. I have worked for a large IT Reseller in the UK for the last 9 years and am currently working as a Microsoft Licensing Operations Specialist having completed my Microsoft certifications. I am also considering doing a Business Analysis Diploma. After looking at a few job sites there seem to be quite a few job opportunites for ICT Business Analysists but looking at the immi.gov.au I have seen that they are now limiting the number of Skilled Worker Visas issued for this particular role. Does anyone have any experience in this field and if so are there still opportunities? Would appreciate any local knowledge you have to offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hoffer Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Jo1057 do you have any experience with Oracle Licensing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo1507 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Jo1057 do you have any experience with Oracle Licensing? Hoffer, I don't have any Oracle experience at the moment but from July I will also be doing Oracle, Symantec, VM Ware and Citrix so will have approx 12-18 months experience by the time I am looking to move to Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saurabhma Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Dear Davlap, I also agree with your point about white. That must not be a criteria at all. I am in between of my 189 visa processing. Could you please suggest me which is best location to move for IT jobs (specially in .net related) Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hoffer Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Hoffer, I don't have any Oracle experience at the moment but from July I will also be doing Oracle, Symantec, VM Ware and Citrix so will have approx 12-18 months experience by the time I am looking to move to Australia. If that comes off and your looking at moving to Brisbane give me a shout if your oracle licensing knowledge is upto scratch and your sales savvy I may have a role for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo1507 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If that comes off and your looking at moving to Brisbane give me a shout if your oracle licensing knowledge is upto scratch and your sales savvy I may have a role for you Hi Hoffer, Thats great news and will give me something to work towards now if I know there is a market for Licensing Specialists :smile: Can I ask what field you work in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hoffer Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Hello mate I own a Oracle Partner in Brisbane that covers AUS wide. I would avoid perth from a software point of view very difficult market and too far to cover the three main locations of Brisbane, Sydney and melbs. The market here from a reseller point of view is very different from the uk and that brings its own positives and negatives. I would avoid Microsoft licensing all together personally as there isnt enough margin in it to make a living and there is lots more competition. As said if you have the necessary sales skills and you understand Oracle and Microsoft i could be interested but I wouldn't hire without the Oracle or sales knowledge. Either way good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo1507 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Hello mate I own a Oracle Partner in Brisbane that covers AUS wide. I would avoid perth from a software point of view very difficult market and too far to cover the three main locations of Brisbane, Sydney and melbs. The market here from a reseller point of view is very different from the uk and that brings its own positives and negatives. I would avoid Microsoft licensing all together personally as there isnt enough margin in it to make a living and there is lots more competition. As said if you have the necessary sales skills and you understand Oracle and Microsoft i could be interested but I wouldn't hire without the Oracle or sales knowledge. Either way good luck Thats some great advice thank you for taking the time to reply, I will start looking at expected salaries etc. now that I have a better idea of the software market. Again thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hi all, Posting this on behalf of my gf as she's not on PIO. We're moving to Melbourne at the end of July on our PR's (although would prefer to move to Perth but lack of work means it isn't happening). Would be pleased to hear from anyone if they think her experience/skills match any available jobs. She's on Linkedin/Seek, etc. T ........................................ QA Manager with over 20 years experience working within tier 1 Investment banks, responsible for the Electronic Trading Technology space specialising in server side end to end testing for all EMEA Equities and GLOBAL F&O algorithmic trading flow. Managing QA cycles for all algorithim upgrades, BAU and major releases, business requirements and key milestones. Allocating resources in a global capacity with teams situated in EMEA, APAC and AMRS. Lead all deliverables, communicate progress, escalate defects and ensure all releases comply with strict compliance and trading control regulatory requirements. Responsible for the ultimate sign off of the releases into production, assist rollout and support once in production beta burn in phase. Technical strengths lie with Linux, Unix, Sybase, SQL, FIX, Transact Tools, various Algorithmic engines, various OMS’s ie Fidessa, GL, Charles River. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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