tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Some bad news for me today , my Pepper bit the groomer who has tried to take her on as she is a snapper with groomers,vets and kennel owners ,basically she is suffering from anxiety when not with me or my wife ect ..... the groomer is in hospital getting treatment stitches ect to two fingers , the nurses at the doctors surgery would not attempt to stitch them so ive been told .........ive picked Pepper up and i will phone the groomer tomorrow ect .......does anyone have any sensible ideas about where i stand , what i should do with Pepper .....can dog like this be treated .........ive seen her in action when she lunged at the kennel owner ,she didnt know i was their watching ....as she is just like a soft toy with me and the children........:frown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 We had a dog called ............ Womble ............ it was a little brown wooly cross breed that was lovely ................. most of the time ................ but when it was stressed, like going to the vets it would turn into a lunatic. One day we went for its jab and i told the vet that Womby would go for him and he would be best to muzzle it, but ............ he said she's tiny .......... i have dealt with Alsations and Dobermans .............. so he came towards Womby with the needle and Womby savaged him in a flash, there was blood all over .............. it was HIS own fault, i had warned him. I don't know what to say Tonyman .............. it will all depend on the circumstances and the person it has bitten, in my mind the very nature of their job means they will get a nip from a dog and did you warn them? In future either muzzle it or, keep it away from other people, but always inform anyone that although cute and well behaved around your kids, it is a .............. Biter .............. and then they are on alert. Its not the dogs fault and i don't think you will change it with training. Just remembered i was in court once over an Alsation biting a guy, who was being walked by a woman, he had a paper in his hand and raised it to say ........... hello' and the alsation bit him quite badly and it came to the magistrates court where i was working and the alsation had a ............. put to sleep order on it, but the lady got a dog specialist up saying that the alsation saw itself as the ladies protector and it was only acting on instinct and it wasn't the dogs fault and ............. the judge agreed and rescinded the death penalty on the poor dog ............ it was very interesting and the dog specialist said she could train the dog to behave better. The alsation had a ............. must wear a muzzle order put on it when out of the house but it was better than having it put down. Best of luck buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Rose Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 poor pepper, sounds like she does it out of been nervous Will she let you groom her? you may have to do it unless you can build up her confidence in going to the groomers, maybe by just taking her in and having no grooming done but give her tasty treats while she is there so she associates it with something good, then slowly introduce the groomers equipment giving her treats as she goes. I guess you would have to find a patient groomer to do this though! As for the groomer who got bit you will just have to hope they are understanding and know that it comes with the job and accept your apologies. I have a very hairy jack russell who I think may need clipping in Australia because she gets to hot in the uk! I am not looking forward to the tantrum she is going to have when the clippers turn on, she runs a mile at the hoover and hairdryer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 My late Daisy Dog was a snapper, reason she was stone deaf and if they gave her a fright she snapped. Until Daisy got used to them, the groomer and the vet used to put a muzzle on her before treating her. She did improve we had adopted her at six so it did take a while to get rid of her anxiety but we did it. She was a maltese cross. I am surprised that the groomer did not muzzle your dog or usually they hold them in such a way whilst grooming them that they cannot bite. Think it was just an accident and I hope its treat that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 she dropped the lead and put her hand under her so she snapped .....btw she has bit another groomer on her 2nd ever groom ,this would have been her 4th but in her defence on her first groom with a young trainee groomer she had her paw pad cut ...it was still bleeding heavily when she was returned to us.....so this has stuck with her .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 she dropped the lead and put her hand under her so she snapped .....btw she has bit another groomer on her 2nd ever groom ,this would have been her 4th but in her defence on her first groom with a young trainee groomer she had her paw pad cut ...it was still bleeding heavily when she was returned to us.....so this has stuck with her .............. Explain this mate ............. i can't believe a dog groomer would want any harm coming to your dog and tell her what happened before, she will understand .............. use your charm mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Human welfare comes before animals. We were members of border collie rescue. Everyone thinks border collies are wonderful in the UK 'cause they watched the sheep dog trials. The truth of the matter is that there are dogs who will attempt to dominate, no matter how well they are treated and those cuddly border collies are nothing like those in the sheep dog trials We rescued a collie a while ago (in Oz) who had been a "backyard dog"..........never walked, never socialised...................wonderful in the home, great with the kids....in her own territory. Bridget was about to take her for a walk, when the next door neighbour came down her drive on a motorbike...........she slipped the lead and bit the neighbour. We didn't hesitate to have her put down within the hour................that could have been my kid she bit.....................end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 Explain this mate ............. i can't believe a dog groomer would want any harm coming to your dog and tell her what happened before, she will understand .............. use your charm mate. she knows peppers history , she even said this morning that she would have her when we go away as the kennel wont take her now...but i suppose that has changed .... i told her she is fast .ive just text her to see how she is ....i hope i get a good reply..........:wideeyed: ..her husband told me its the first time in 10 yrs that she has been bit .....she has always managed to get away as she took her on because she has dealt with problem dogs .....ive given her sedatives before she went for one groom but they could only half groom her ......the little bitch......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewebweazel Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Human welfare comes before animals. We didn't hesitate to have her put down within the hour................that could have been my kid she bit.....................end of. That's a bit harsh, but I suppose it put to bed any chances of court action she knows peppers history , she even said this morning that she would have her when we go away as the kennel wont take her now...but i suppose that has changed .... i told her she is fast .ive just text her to see how she is ....i hope i get a good reply..........:wideeyed: ..her husband told me its the first time in 10 yrs that she has been bit .....she has always managed to get away as she took her on because she has dealt with problem dogs .....ive given her sedatives before she went for one groom but they could only half groom her ......the little bitch......... You cannot have your cake and eat it, If she has a name for dealing with problem Dogs, and gets custom due to her reputation, she cannot complain when she gets bitten. It sounds to me that she was not following best practice and possibly health and safety by not muzzling the dog when grooming it. It would be helpful to find out from someone like the Pet Industry Association of Australia or similar what the best practice is, just in case things get nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brideycollette Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Nick i'm sending you a pm x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 ok the groomer has text me back ..she has a small fracture on her small finger , a few puncture wounds on her ring finger ...she says it was one bite not an attack , pain killers ect she says it not mine or peppers fault and she knew the risk as part of job ......thats good news for me and Pepper but i hope she doesnt loose business for a while ........maybe some flowers and a cask of Berris traditional red may cheer her up ........joking apart we are devastated ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brideycollette Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 :hug:aw good news ! not for the groomers lil pinkie though. What type of dog is pepper nick ? Tell ya what for the woman doing grooming for 10 years and not have a bite , she has been very lucky ( or a very calm lady )lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 :hug:aw good news ! not for the groomers lil pinkie though. What type of dog is pepper nick ? Tell ya what for the woman doing grooming for 10 years and not have a bite , she has been very lucky ( or a very calm lady )lol Think she is an Australian Terrier cross ................we got her from a pup at Shenton Dogs home ..........she is a calm woman btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Hope it turns out ok mate, might be worth muzzling her next trip to the groomers just to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Any tips on where i can buy a muzzle for ................. the wife. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 Any tips on where i can buy a muzzle for ................. the wife. lol sorry Jim im not in the mood for jokin tonight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 sorry Jim im not in the mood for jokin tonight.. Chin up buddy ........... it will all work out, the grooming lady seems alright with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brideycollette Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Think she is an Australian Terrier cross ................we got her from a pup at Shenton Dogs home ..........she is a calm woman btw :wubclub:Nick she sounds a lovely lady and as she said it wasn't peppers fault :hug:x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 i wish dogs could talk .......! little sod .......she knows she has done bad but want me to be happy ......no way .......not tonight .......she gets the basics ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brideycollette Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 i wish dogs could talk .......! little sod .......she knows she has done bad but want me to be happy ......no way .......not tonight .......she gets the basics ....... lol Nick if she could talk she wouldn't of got herself in this situation :tongue: she would of told the groomer to bugger off lol :wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yuills Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Oh Nick, Pepper is lucky to have you I think.....many owners would have just got rid or just given up. My friend in the UK was a trainer/behaviourist and Groomer with nearly 20 years experience....she was bitten many times in her job, but those are the risks. I trained Agility for many years too and got bitten a fair few times!! I would never expect a dog to bite...but I would always be aware that it may bite. Your groomer sounds like she is not holding any grudges towards you or Pepper, so chin up and see how she is tomorrow. Have you contacted Shenton to see is they can help with her behaviour/anxiety issues? Dogs are complexed creatures..they can't tell you to bugger off..they go ont he defensive and bite. Good luck Nick. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyman Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 i will contact Shenton , they should take some of the blame ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest37336 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 On a personal note Nick. I love dogs (all nature in fact) and have had many over the years, wouldn't be without a dog in my life, but I can with hand on heart say I never trust a dog 100% all the time. At times dogs get scared, intimidated, they may be feeling unwell, or many other underlying problems and this can all contribute to a dog acting in a way that is TOTALLY not predicted. Even the most loving of dog owners have at time been surprised my their dogs behaviour. Many dogs in the past and will continue to have them,:yes:, but I am always aware that they 'may' act differently, especially if stressed. Cheers Tony.:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 That's a bit harsh, but I suppose it put to bed any chances of court action Not harsh at all and court action wasn't the consideration. "Once bitten, twice shy" is a proverb for a reason. When a dog bites, there is a very high likelihood that it will do it again at a later stage, and if you'd ever seen a two year old, who's face has been mauled by a dog, you'd likely act "harshly" also. Her parents had ample warning but thought that their little King Charles was too small to do any damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Our Daisy dog used to have a go at the vet and the groomer but she was fine with us. No reason to have her put down, we would never let children near her or touch her or any of our dogs. Nice doggy they may look but they are "dogs". I have had a lot of dogs and dogs and children do not mix no matter how nice the dog is how lovely it is there is always a chance that it will bite a child and therefore children should never be left alone with a dog. My son has been bitten twice, once on the head when he stuck his head over the fence down the road we lived in and the boxer dog did not like the look of him and once when he was at a friend's home. Friend's father shot the dog it was not the first time and I was very upset about that. It was a heeler and they are sus with strangers. We are the humans and we need to remember that and not blame a dog for attacking if a dog attacks we are the ones who should take the blame for treating the dog as human and not a dog. Glad the groomer is ok and I guess she is kicking herself for not being as safety conscious as she should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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