pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Late now,cba,back in the morn to debate sweeping generalisations and apprentiships and the general english arrogance that makes everyone hate us,see yer tomoz,whisky sleep now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36762 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Late now,cba,back in the morn to debate sweeping generalisations and apprentiships and the general english arrogance that makes everyone hate us,see yer tomoz,whisky sleep now! come on pablo, don't throw in the towel. What's left if you take away sweeping generalisations? BTW there's a good one right there. I suppose being scouse you don't regard yourself as English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Cant wait for the debates with the condescending crew tomoz,after all they'l buy and sell me,their clever profesionals:daydreaming:and im just a thick tradey:radar:,let battle commence:cute: HOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAA:happy_face_outlaw_s AWWWWWWw generalisations,dont yer just love dem!:jiggy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 come on pablo, don't throw in the towel. What's left if you take away sweeping generalisations? BTW there's a good one right there. I suppose being scouse you don't regard yourself as English? Plenty of times ive seen OTHERS say were not h,btw,i NEVER throw in the towel:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Cant wait for the debates with the condescending crew tomoz,after all they'l buy and sell me,their clever profesionals:daydreaming:and im just a thick tradey:radar:,let battle commence:cute: Thick enough to visit Coles in yer jim jams mate, or thick enough to pay 4 bucks for a lemon? :wink: kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36762 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Cant wait for the debates with the condescending crew tomoz,after all they'l buy and sell me,their clever profesionals:daydreaming:and im just a thick tradey:radar:,let battle commence:cute:HOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAA:happy_face_outlaw_s AWWWWWWw generalisations,dont yer just love dem!:jiggy: don't do yourself down mate:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Thick enough to visit Coles in yer jim jams mate, or thick enough to pay 4 bucks for a lemon? :wink: kev Snags mate:biggrin::wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36762 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Snags mate:biggrin::wink: I thought you were off to bed in a whiskey induced fug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 don't do yourself down mate:wink: Never will mate,king of i am me:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36762 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 is your thanks button not working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 is your thanks button not working? Tell yer tomoz,when we've debated english arrogance,apprentiships and stereotyping,im dead scared to debate it with professionals like you tho tbh:skeptical::laugh:,im scared because im not clever enuf because i dont "work behind a desk":cute::wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36762 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Tell yer tomoz,when we've debated english arrogance,apprentiships and stereotyping,im dead scared to debate it with professionals like you tho tbh:skeptical::laugh:,im scared because im not clever enuf because i dont "work behind a desk":cute::wink: that's the way mate, just so that you know where you stand:wink: Why do I feel like a bullfighter with a red rag ATM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Cheers mate. You've done as expected and misinterpreted my sage like words. I agree that I'm an ordinary (?) working(?) bloke (?), and have nothing against others. I couldn't give a monkeys re the 'professional' tag. I also feel valued in my job, probably more so than I did in the uk. My point is that if any one sector of society feels over represented, those not in that group feel a bit dislocated, excluded maybe. You could take anything as an example, but in this case it 'feels' like everyone is a tradie or hairdresser. But their not are they?if that was the case oz would stop(dont say it has btw!)wouldnt it? Catch yer tomoz,as a humble viz wearer we'l have a debate with the english intelligentsia:tongue:,jeeez i wish i had a donkey jacket as thick as these "professionals" i'd never be cold:jiggy:,nite h:wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Tell yer tomoz,when we've debated english arrogance,apprentiships and stereotyping,im dead scared to debate it with professionals like you tho tbh:skeptical::laugh:,im scared because im not clever enuf because i dont "work behind a desk":cute::wink: If you were stuck in front of a blackboard though, I think you'd do better than most................obviously only in a UK vocational college or Aussie Tafe..........you could teach aussie apprentices how to put cold bacon and egg sarnies in their coolbag perhaps? :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest32776 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Tell yer tomoz,when we've debated english arrogance,apprentiships and stereotyping,im dead scared to debate it with professionals like you tho tbh:skeptical::laugh:,im scared because im not clever enuf because i dont "work behind a desk":cute::wink: Pabster - I don't have an issue with tradies v graduate 'professions' - one isn't superior to the other - as for 2011 I shall be mainly demonstrating the diplomatic abilities of Kofi Anan. I have also dabbled in a bit of blue collar previously - they are generally better in the sack :Randy-git: What I have noticed about Oz (mainly when teaching), however, is that the young are steered towards the trades and TAFE stuff , rather than encouraged to go to Uni - there are policies encouraging them to have big families early. I think this might be limiting their lives - I love travelling overseas (so do you obviously as you want to come and live in SA??), and this requires some level of intrepidness, work professionalism etc.... It's not about being clever enuf to work behind a desk or even to spell 'enough' when swigging whisky! It's about giving young people the option to expand their horizons beyond high viz and a ute. :biglaugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 that's the way mate, just so that you know where you stand:wink:Why do I feel like a bullfighter with a red rag ATM? In touch with yer feminine side,one barrier overcome,now for the next:biggrin:,im off,tomoz:hug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 What I have noticed about Oz (mainly when teaching), however, is that the young are steered towards the trades and TAFE stuff , rather than encouraged to go to Uni . Just how long have you been here Girlwhizz and how long have you taught and where? You appear to paint yourself as an expert on the education system here, although you have frequently bemoaned the fact that you can't obtain a teaching position? For myself, I've been here 16 yrs now and my experience, having 2 kids of my own and having fostered over 50, is that the schools don't "steer" kids anywhere. Surely that is the responsibilty of the parents and the child's wants/needs/parental motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Pabster - I don't have an issue with tradies v graduate 'professions' - one isn't superior to the other - as for 2011 I shall be mainly demonstrating the diplomatic abilities of Kofi Anan. I have also dabbled in a bit of blue collar previously - they are generally better in the sack :Randy-git: What I have noticed about Oz (mainly when teaching), however, is that the young are steered towards the trades and TAFE stuff , rather than encouraged to go to Uni - there are policies encouraging them to have big families early. I think this might be limiting their lives - I love travelling overseas (so do you obviously as you want to come and live in SA??), and this requires some level of intrepidness, work professionalism etc.... It's not about being clever enuf to work behind a desk or even to spell 'enough' when swigging whisky! It's about giving young people the option to expand their horizons beyond high viz and a ute. :biglaugh: Chaz,youve got a few bob thru commodities broking i think?good luck to yer,dont begrudge yer a £,thats the truth,swear down,nothing to do with money this debate,just outlook. I just dont like stereotyping because of occupation,and i think thats a particularly english trait,as shown by the indignance shown by many on here because tradies earn the same as "professionals" in oz? But in truth its not that different here,ive got mates who are proffesionals,masters degrees but thick as ~~~~,and i earn more than them(in a normal yr,so what?!),what gets on my wick is the people who pigeonhole people,IE....tradie=thick,office worker=clever,NOTHING could be further from the truth,now its time for bed,debate stereotyping tomoz:SLEEP::wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest32776 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just how long have you been here Girlwhizz and how long have you taught and where? You appear to paint yourself as an expert on the education system here, although you have frequently bemoaned the fact that you can't obtain a teaching position? For myself, I've been here 16 yrs now and my experience, having 2 kids of my own and having fostered over 50, is that the schools don't "steer" kids anywhere. Surely that is the responsibilty of the parents and the child's wants/needs/parental motivation. If you want to raise personal issues please PM me - this is a public forum. I've taught in 7 schools in Queensland and NSW just for your information. I've also done post graduate study on the education system here. It is hard to argue against the fact that keeping kids in full time education to learn how to do menial tasks - such as to make sandwiches is a complete waste of their future and time and the money in the education system. I have also personally sat in on SET plan discussions with students who have been directed into manual trades who I believe had the brains and drive to go to University. You are entitled to disagree that if you have the ability to go to Uni you should be encouraged but personally I think a degree and the experiences of networking, socialising and travel are a great part of someone's life experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Come on now kev/chaz,be nice,dont get the thread closed down,its only debate,play nice eh?:wubclub::wubclub::hug:nite all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Come on now kev/chaz,be nice,dont get the thread closed down,its only debate,play nice eh?:wubclub::wubclub::hug:nite all! I'm always nice Pabs............my avs say so :biggrin: kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I'm always nice Pabs............my avs say so :biggrin: kev :laugh:Debates great innit kev,so is different opinion,but also the right to question that different opinion is good.,love a mass debate me:wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30038 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 If you want to raise personal issues please PM me - this is a public forum. I've taught in 7 schools in Queensland and NSW just for your information. I've also done post graduate study on the education system here. It is hard to argue against the fact that keeping kids in full time education to learn how to do menial tasks - such as to make sandwiches is a complete waste of their future and time and the money in the education system. I have also personally sat in on SET plan discussions with students who have been directed into manual trades who I believe had the brains and drive to go to University. You are entitled to disagree that if you have the ability to go to Uni you should be encouraged but personally I think a degree and the experiences of networking, socialising and travel are a great part of someone's life experience. Yep, it's public, so when someone states their opinion in public, it seems only right that it be challenged in public if one disagrees, or otherwise. It is fair to ask someone of their experience when they make a statement is it not? Your experience is noted but 7 schools (and for what length of time pray?) can hardly be indicative of the education system as whole can it (not)? You can believe all you want re students potential, but if they are motivated by self or parents (which, unless you had personal experience of them as a family) no amount of motivation by the 'system" is going to compare, and even if it could, who are teachers to tell kids (or parent's even) what path to take if they appear happy to take the path that they choose? "Does not realise/achieve potential".............I've seen it on countless school reports. What the hell does it matter if the kid wants to be a brickie rather than a lawyer? I know kids who have chosen to be tradies because they wanted to work for themselves and achieve a high income, despite having the potential to work towards a "profession". Happiness (by any working route) is the key to life, not achieving academic/professional potential, and if parents know their kids, then it is they who will do the "steering" and not the education system. The education system is merely a tool to get where you want to be and in my experience, the Aussie system provides the tools for whatever path one wants to take. If it didn't, there wouldn't be any Unis now would there?............or indeed, many, many tradies who are millionaires and happy in what they do..........income aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 You need to stop that pabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I hold nothing against the blue collar/tradie sector (well, not since my booze-fuelled younger wilder days). In fact , in London I've dealt with some very professional, hardworking and reasonably priced tradesmen - from Poland for the main part - as they turn up on time, don't try and fleece you or leave fag butts and food round your house. What gets me is that I don't see what harm there would be in Australia encouraging a bit more higher education and intellectual pursuit - where is the cutting edge research and development, its space programme, the throbbing quick fire political debate or a vibrant literacy scene? For a country whose only wealth is based on the hauling out of coal and iron ore I'm willing to wager that the much needed 'carbon capture' technology (if we are to prevent the overheating of the earth) , just ain't gonna be an Aussie invention! I get the impression (at risk of a sweeping generalisation) that cultural aspiration here involves giving up on education at the age of 16, and, as the government makes disinterested kids waste another 2 years at school - undertake the path of least resistance at TAFE - maybe pastry chef (how the heck can that take two years!!) ... preggars by 20 - have 4 or 5 kids - and class good times as a bbq on the beach, holding a fishing rod sat in a tinny, or the receipt of a (bizarrely motivated) baby bonus/stimulus package from the government. I don't hold anything against these people - but I do think it is healthy to have them as a minority not a majority - overseas travel, a fulfilling career, engaging in arts and literature, speaking other languages are all a significant part of life in my extremely humble opinion.... I'm not even suggesting that being a tradie and travel, arts and literature etc are mutually exclusive - they are not. I've met loads of marine mechanics sailing around the world (they can pick up work in each port as engines invariably break). However, I do think without inspiring kids at school to find awe in the world by placing an emphasis on geography , history, literature etc rather than sandwich making and hairdressing, we are stealing from the futures they may have had... (Sh7t! Apologies, I had a Daily Mail moment there!!) I find the your posts as wrong about Australia as a whole as mine would be if I wrote about small town UK and extrapolated it out to the whole population. Your lack of knowledge of Australia's high university rates, overseas travel rates, contribution to arts and literature, thriving political culture, wealth generated outside mining etc is reflected in many of your posts. We have communities of people who are a lot like you describe but so does the UK. If I wrote an equivalent post basing my description of the whole of the UK on one of those communities I think you would be questioning how much my education and travel had actually helped my judgement. Of course the UK would punch above Australia in a some of these areas due to its long history, population total and density, geographic differences, as well as having a world city as its capital. IMO you exaggerate the difference out of all proportion and do so without seemingly taking any of these things into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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