New sol

[mr luvpants]

AmI right in saying that although Hairdressers are no longer on the list, because they are on the ENS, then Hairdressers should be OK if they find a sponsor?

 

JOHN

[Alan Collett]

panel beater is not on there? That is what we are applying under the ENS

 

The new SOL does not apply to applications lodged under the ENS.

 

Best regards.

[Alan Collett]

AmI right in saying that although Hairdressers are no longer on the list, because they are on the ENS, then Hairdressers should be OK if they find a sponsor?

 

JOHN

 

The ENSOL applies to applications lodged under the ENS.

 

Best regards.

[Guest skipling]

Computing on the new SOL.

I've checked the Australian Bureau of Statistics Web site to check the definitions/descriptions for a couple of the ICT jobs listed: 2611XX ICT BUSINESS AND SYSTEMS ANALYSTS.

Please note this description was last updated in June 2009 and I hope I'm on the right site (although I'm sure someone will correct me PDQ if i'm wrong... (please). 1220.0 - ANZSCO - Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations, First Edition, Revision 1

[i'm still looking for the skill levels definitions.]

 

UNIT GROUP 2611 ICT BUSINESS AND SYSTEMS ANALYSTS

 

ICT BUSINESS AND SYSTEMS ANALYSTS work with users to formulate system requirements, develop system plans and documentation, review and evaluate existing systems, and design and modify systems to meet users' business needs.
Non-ICT Business Analysts (for example, Management Consultants) are excluded from this unit group. Non-ICT Business Analysts are included in Unit Group 2247 Management and Organisation Analysts.
Indicative Skill Level:
In Australia and New Zealand:

Most occupations in this unit group have a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification. At least five years of relevant experience and/or relevant vendor certification may substitute for the formal qualification. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 1).


 

Tasks Include:

 

<LI type=disc>working with users to formulate and document business requirements <LI type=disc>identifying, investigating, and analysing business processes, procedures and work practices <LI type=disc>identifying and evaluating inefficiencies and recommending optimal business practices, and system functionality and behaviour <LI type=disc>using project management methodologies, principles and techniques to develop project plans and to cost, resource and manage projects <LI type=disc>taking responsibility for deploying functional solutions, such as creating, adopting and implementing system test plans, which ensure acceptable quality and integrity of the system <LI type=disc>creating user and training documentation, and conducting formal training classes <LI type=disc>developing functional specifications for use by system developers <LI type=disc>using data and process modelling techniques to create clear system specifications for the design and development of system software
• acting as a central reference and information source, providing guidance and assistance in the system project decision making process
  

 

Occupations:

 

261111 ICT Business Analyst
261112 Systems Analyst


 

 

 

261111 ICT BUSINESS ANALYST

 

Alternative Titles:

BA (ICT)
Business Consultant (ICT)


 

Identifies and communicates with users to formulate and produce a requirements specification to create system and software solutions.

Skill Level: 1

Specialisation:

 

Business Systems Analyst


 

 

 

261112 SYSTEMS ANALYST

 

Evaluates processes and methods used in existing ICT systems, proposes modifications, additional system components or new systems to meet user needs as expressed in specifications and other documentation. Skill Level: 1
 
 
 

[George Lombard]

Jamie's list is a list of omissions. It's not the entire story as some occupations have morphed in qualification requirements, duties, etc, and some occupations which were just specialisations in ASCO are now listed in their own right in ANZSCO.

 

Yes Lizzy, Panel Beater is still on the list.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

[Guest mcl07]

Do we know how the transition to the ANZSCO codes will work? If a job is still on the new SOL list then will positive skills assessments (under the old codes) be transferred automatically to the new ANZSCO codes on visa submission? I presume people in this situation will not have to resubmit a new skills assessment to get the new code?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[Guest Popcorn]

Hi, does anyone know what will happen to Computing professionals - nec?

My husband has a positive assessment for .net technologies and we have sent our sponsorship docs to SA beginning of May but no news yet. Now .net taken off, will he be automatically reclassified as a developer programmer (261312) - he fits all the criteria, or will we now need to go back to ACS and be assessed again??? Very confused!!!

Thank you.

[Guest skipling]

Hi Popcorn

I think your husband will fall into code 261311 - Analyst Programmer. One of the agents on here will be able to tell you for sure.

 

Good Luck

[Guest mickel]

Hi all,

 

Are there any thoughts on the processing times that may come into play with this new SOL? - At present I believe that the ENS are taking up to 6 months, so could those on the new SOL be pushed along as quickly as these from the 1st July? My partner and I currently have a 176 application in and the trade is on the new SOL.

 

Any thoughts on this would be helpful.

 

Thanks,

[julie and gary]

I am confused, where will I get the information to see if my occupation subclass has emerged.

 

many thanks

[cazmayo]

hi there,

 

reading jamies list, cabinetmaker has been omitted??? i cant download the immig list for some reason. has it been put in as a sub category of carpenter? or are we in trouble.

 

if this is the case, should he do his skills assessment under joiner carpenter.

 

Lord thought all trades were safe last night!

 

thanks for any advice.

 

kind regards

caz

[Guest mickel]

carpenter and joiner is on there - this is also the trade we have applied under. hope this helps.

 

the link to the new sol list is on the immi website http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/new-list-of-occupations.pdf

 

They also have a dedicated phone line for questions relating to the new SOL and so it may be worth calling to double check whether cabinet maker still falls under the carpentry portfolio. The number is 1300 735 683.

[mipi]

Absolutely gutted, my OH's occupation (Floor finisher) isn't on the new list. It was on the draft list, I had really hoped that all tradies were safe. Am hoping that it will be on the state migration list. Anyone know when these will be released?

 

Michelle

[Ozzieland]

Absolutely gutted, my OH's occupation (Floor finisher) isn't on the new list. It was on the draft list, I had really hoped that all tradies were safe. Am hoping that it will be on the state migration list. Anyone know when these will be released?

 

Michelle

 

Just carefully go through all the professions and check out the job profile from the ANZSCO website. It may be merged with another.

[Alan Collett]

With respect (and I acknowledge I probably should not speak for other agents), it is highly improbable that we are going to spend our time analysing PiO members' ASCO Codes to ensure they map across to an occupation on the new SOL/ANZSCO.

 

Unless those PiO members are clients, that is ...

 

In other words, those who are concerned or want some comfort should be consulting a competent migration agent.

 

Best regards.

[Guest dieseldane]

Absolutely gutted, my OH's occupation (Floor finisher) isn't on the new list. It was on the draft list, I had really hoped that all tradies were safe. Am hoping that it will be on the state migration list. Anyone know when these will be released?

 

Michelle

 

We're in the same boat as my hubby is a floor finisher too. Keeping fingers and toes crossed that Victoria still want us! Where are you planning on heading to?:nah:

[Alan Collett]

World News Australia - Migration changes draw mixed reaction

 

Video: Minister explaining today's new SOL.

 

Best regards.

[mipi]

Hi dieseldane. We were looking at going to Perth. So will be waiting in anticipation of the WA list.

 

To Ozzieland, thank-you I have double checked, triple checked, Floor finishing is in the Minor Group 332 with Painting trade workers but whilst 332211 Painting Trades is on the list, alas 332111 Floor finishers is omitted.

[Guest Blandie]

Hi All

 

What will happen to the Regional Family sponsored visa?

 

Also

 

Will there be a skill level like there is for the ANZCO codes? which will determin the points etc.

 

i.e Accountants with NIA/Masters/Degree will be skill level 1 so 60 points, where as people with Advanced Diploma/Diploma skill level 2 40-50 points?

 

Regards

[Guest Jamie Smith]

My predictions:

 

The SOL will remain as it is until the Minister and Skills Australia get to see what the States want to secure. If an occupation is on most states then it might migrate to the SOL in a year's time. Both of those entiities like to be seen to be doing serious work and they won't respond to pleas for mercy until they know they can move without embarassing themselves.

 

Anyone not on the new SOL can either a) check to see if they fit into another classification, as the ANZSCO includes more up to date job descriptions and some of the old ASCO codes will look like they're gone but in reality they are just repositioned (get professional advice on this), or b) look to an employer sponsored visa, make sure you now have a clear visa pathway - businesses like Hire A Migrant can't afford to mess around employers who are willing to sponsor migrants by repeatedly presenting them with candidates who have to withdraw.

 

The new SOL kicks in on July 1, and I think new applications won't be accepted until the Minister and DIAC complete their slash and burn - oops cap and cease - and see who's still standing. That leads in nicely to the election - "look we've kept out those who (supposedly) rort the education system (except for boatpeople methinks), cut back on many "unwanted" applications, cut down the number of annual approvals and made it harder for foreginers to buy up all the houses".

 

The answer to that will be - yes but the boarpeople issue and house availability were fine until you changed them, against advice. You relaxed the settings that had deterred boat people and relaxed the requirements for home purchases by non-residents. Now we have to fund nearly a billion dollars over 4 years to handle the boat people, and house pricesare have risen so quickly now they beyond that which many Australians could afford. Furthermore, smaller businesses are STILL treated disdainfully by DIAC and find it difficult to offer sponsorship to skilled migrants.

 

It appears that DIAC's skilled visa programme is only for bringing in State and Federal Government workers or contractors for major infrastructure projects. That means the various Governments can easily get workers and the private sector will struggle even more.

 

To then prevent the private sector from poaching these new Govt employees, Governments will offer higher wages and increased benefits like higher superannuation, extra leave and allowances. After all, the Governments are not spending moiney they had to earn.

 

Those taxpayer funds would be better spent educating employers about the benefits of sponsorship and educating DIAC staff about how small businesses work without taxpayer funded people to write and read their unnecessary reports.

 

That will give y'all a new SOL list and many state lists to consider.

 

It's worth considering the idea now that you might not get your preferred location. The days of get a visa and go where you want are now limited to those who have medical, engineering, certain IT and some trade skills.

 

For most everybody else, you need to start at the employer end of things and then consider how their location affects your scheme of things.

 

Once the SOL and State lists are bedded down, the Minister will move focus to slighly expand the list, review skills and settings for the ENS and 457 but I think this will be more orientated to making sure the employer is genuine and actually needs those skills.

 

I forecast that my business report / plan writing skills will become more in demand for 457 and ENS sponsorship to justify the employment by showing an economic argument and professional profile of the sponsoring business.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi dieseldane. We were looking at going to Perth. So will be waiting in anticipation of the WA list.

 

To Ozzieland, thank-you I have double checked, triple checked, Floor finishing is in the Minor Group 332 with Painting trade workers but whilst 332211 Painting Trades is on the list, alas 332111 Floor finishers is omitted.

 

Hi Mipi

 

I reckon that if Floor Finishers seem to have been omitted, there must be a mistake in the new SOL. It is not reasonable to say, "We can build your entire new house, for sure, but you will have to deal with the floor coverings yourself." Mrs Aussie would tell them the same as I would, being "Strewth & stroll on, Minister. If you think that I have the foggiest idea how to do anything with a floor except clean it, you are dreaming, Evans the Taffy!"

 

Not long ago, I asked why Wall & Floor Tilers had remained on the CSL when all the other tradies had been taken off it? I was told that Tilers spend so much time on their knees that they quickly develop chronic bursitis (Housemaid's Knee) and give the job up whilst they are still young. I should think that Floor Finishers must come a very close second to that, if not sharing Top Billing with the Tilers.

 

Hang in there, honey. I'll have a look through the new SOL and the ANZSCO List later because I reckon that Floor Finishers must be needed in Oz, just as they are everywhere else.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Ozzieland]

Just noticed that Floor Finisher is on the ACT Baseline list of occupations but is 'limited'. Since ACT have not suspened accepting new applications, I would presume there wouldn't be much changes in their list.

[paulswin]

To mipi and dieseldane my oh is a floor finisher too we're wanting to go to WA have just spoke to our agent who said we have to see whether the states want our profession! Guys keep in touch so want to know any info if you have any Lets keep our fingers crossed floor finishers are needed by the states.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

AmI right in saying that although Hairdressers are no longer on the list, because they are on the ENS, then Hairdressers should be OK if they find a sponsor?

 

JOHN

 

Hi John

 

You are correct. However I wouldn't sorry about Ash unduly if I were you. I reckon that she is sure to find employment as a Hairdresser during her time on a WH visa and that an employer is likely to sponsor her for PR later,

 

The Minister is not trying to prevent all Hairdressers from migrating to Oz. He is merely determined that it should not be seen by prospective foreign students as a route to PR.

 

I reckon he is fussing unnecessarily about that. Australia's loss is Canada's gain according to the figures. I don't think prospective foreign Students think that Australia is any particular sort of Nirvana and if decimating the income from International Education. plus putting hundreds of Aussies out of jobs in International Education, is seen as a vote catcher, I'd be surprised, frankly.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest Denver]

Hi, Paul here. Just spoke to my agent on the phone he told me because my aplication is already with the diac the new changes do not affect me. (floor finisher)Is this correct.