johnd Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 hello everyone, mixed bag of replies from my post and the ones who disagreed with me seem to have seized on the 'crap hole country' statement i made. maybe i'm being harsh but i was not in the best of moods because of my encounters with the local idiots. i wonder how long fat boy fat has been in oz?, because i live in an area that was pretty ok 10 years ago, but since then violent crime it seems has gone up,(or the threat of it). the local authorities say that its down , but in the last 3 years there have been two muggings within the immediate area that i live. remember this is not london, it is a quiet working class town in the north of the uk. we have recently ,(within the last two years), had 2 lots of travellers in the town de-camping on some waste land, burglaires and petty crime went up when they were here, but the worst thing was the mess left behind. the council had to clean it up, who paid for it?,council taxpayers!. i am leaving family and friends behind and it probably is unfair to slate the uk but i do believe it will get worse. the average person on the street is sick of people seeming to be above the law,(see above), inc. youths drinking, people commiting crime and getting off with light sentences, etc,etc,etc. why should you re-cycle when travellers can tip s##t all over the place and nothing happens. if i was to 'fly tip' household rubbish and i was caught I WOULD GET FINED!!, and rightly so. most people just want to go to work with no extra hassles, i feel oz will give us that. i have written about my time in oz in '91(see previous posts), and i certainly saw the negative side of life there including kids drinking etc, its just that its not as common as in the uk. maybe saying uk was a 'crap hole' was to strong, maybe not, i still believe it will get worse here. if it didn't work out in oz and we had to return to the uk so be it, we would make the best of a bad job. these are only my opinions and i hope for all those left in the uk that it does get better, but i won't hold my breath. johnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SuzieQ Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I just gotta say its time that parents stopped getting all the blame for the youth culture of today. Not sure how old your kids are but be careful what you say cos fate has a way of biting you on the bum when your least expecting it! Good/bad parents, its often who they meet and the circles they socialise in which have a far greater influence on them than parents! And for those who think OZ is Utopia its time to take your rose coloured tinted glasses off! They are as influenced by America as much, if not more, than we are here, on a political basis as well as the trashy American t.v. We do have some fantastic t.v. dramas here which we take for granted. Globalisation has hit us all and that includes OZ, the aftermath of which affects society as a whole. OZ is made up of migrants (not just us pommies), Asians prepared to work for less dollars an hour, etc. As OZ takes more migrants the quality of life of Aussies is affected in the same way as here, everything is diluted. The wealth of the world is gradually evening out. As someone has already said if you're running away from stuff here you will encounter other issues over there which will pee you off as they do here. As much as its hard to swallow make sure you REALLY know what you're going over to otherwise you'll be on a flight back to 'crap hole England' except it won't seem such a crap hole anymore. In fact all the stuff that that totally peed you off will fade into the background. Believe it or not I too have felt extremely frustrated with the UK and everytime you hear some youngster has been knifed or murdered you just wanna get the hell outta here but realistically unless you're prepared to move to the remotest parts of the planet you just aint gonna find Utopia. Perhaps OZ can offer a better quality of life than the UK, especially for young families, but unless dramatic changes are made worldwide we will ALL continue to suffer the outcome of the world we have created. And it aint looking good! Sorry folks, thats just IMO - I feel a large vodka coming on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachel&Stu Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hiya Jo:jiggy: Found your rose-coloured glasses! They were with mine hun! LOL.........:laugh: Cheers, Rache:wubclub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hays Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 and mine!!!:wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest mandyg Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Got odd pair of glasses here one eye painted a rose colour and the other i cant see a thing out of or is it that i just darnt look lol got one eye open the other closed firmly lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hays Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 well if your getting new pink ones, i want some as well!!! maybe we should get Chelle some at the same time.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnd Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 oh well thats it then i'll just stay in the uk and seeth, read the daily mail and watch my blood pressure go up..................i think not!. johnd I just gotta say its time that parents stopped getting all the blame for the youth culture of today. Not sure how old your kids are but be careful what you say cos fate has a way of biting you on the bum when your least expecting it! Good/bad parents, its often who they meet and the circles they socialise in which have a far greater influence on them than parents! And for those who think OZ is Utopia its time to take your rose coloured tinted glasses off! They are as influenced by America as much, if not more, than we are here, on a political basis as well as the trashy American t.v. We do have some fantastic t.v. dramas here which we take for granted. Globalisation has hit us all and that includes OZ, the aftermath of which affects society as a whole. OZ is made up of migrants (not just us pommies), Asians prepared to work for less dollars an hour, etc. As OZ takes more migrants the quality of life of Aussies is affected in the same way as here, everything is diluted. The wealth of the world is gradually evening out. As someone has already said if you're running away from stuff here you will encounter other issues over there which will pee you off as they do here. As much as its hard to swallow make sure you REALLY know what you're going over to otherwise you'll be on a flight back to 'crap hole England' except it won't seem such a crap hole anymore. In fact all the stuff that that totally peed you off will fade into the background. Believe it or not I too have felt extremely frustrated with the UK and everytime you hear some youngster has been knifed or murdered you just wanna get the hell outta here but realistically unless you're prepared to move to the remotest parts of the planet you just aint gonna find Utopia. Perhaps OZ can offer a better quality of life than the UK, especially for young families, but unless dramatic changes are made worldwide we will ALL continue to suffer the outcome of the world we have created. And it aint looking good! Sorry folks, thats just IMO - I feel a large vodka coming on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoanneHattersley Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I just gotta say its time that parents stopped getting all the blame for the youth culture of today. Not sure how old your kids are but be careful what you say cos fate has a way of biting you on the bum when your least expecting it! Good/bad parents, its often who they meet and the circles they socialise in which have a far greater influence on them than parents! And for those who think OZ is Utopia its time to take your rose coloured tinted glasses off! They are as influenced by America as much, if not more, than we are here, on a political basis as well as the trashy American t.v. We do have some fantastic t.v. dramas here which we take for granted. Globalisation has hit us all and that includes OZ, the aftermath of which affects society as a whole. OZ is made up of migrants (not just us pommies), Asians prepared to work for less dollars an hour, etc. As OZ takes more migrants the quality of life of Aussies is affected in the same way as here, everything is diluted. The wealth of the world is gradually evening out. As someone has already said if you're running away from stuff here you will encounter other issues over there which will pee you off as they do here. As much as its hard to swallow make sure you REALLY know what you're going over to otherwise you'll be on a flight back to 'crap hole England' except it won't seem such a crap hole anymore. In fact all the stuff that that totally peed you off will fade into the background. Believe it or not I too have felt extremely frustrated with the UK and everytime you hear some youngster has been knifed or murdered you just wanna get the hell outta here but realistically unless you're prepared to move to the remotest parts of the planet you just aint gonna find Utopia. Perhaps OZ can offer a better quality of life than the UK, especially for young families, but unless dramatic changes are made worldwide we will ALL continue to suffer the outcome of the world we have created. And it aint looking good! Sorry folks, thats just IMO - I feel a large vodka coming on! SusieQ................ I can completely see your point of view but hey, heres mine! I think ...BOTH parents HAVE to go to work nowadays to pay the way in the UK. Therefore kids are not getting the parental input (or as much of it as perhaps they would have done 20 years ago). Kids are being sent off to grandparents after school and lets face it, Nans and Grandads let their grandkids get away with a little more than they should!!!! Kids go home, parents feel guilty at not spending time with them and they get away with a little more. It is not the kids fault nowadays, it is not the parents fault. it is the system in UK. I have been in Oz since early 2005 and i NEVER wore rose colored glasses, I came over here with NO expectations as that way I had nothing to compare it to! Oz offers a different quality of life. It all depends on what you want and what you are willing to work for nowadays. Out here I do less hours for the same money. OH does more hours for same money. we have same days off every week which we have NEVER had in 15 years of being together. Our shifts coincide , which we have never had on 15 years! We have a nicer house than we had in te UK, better weather. We have bought cars that we couldnt afford to buy and run in the UK. My life is much better! You are right too, there are migrants everywhere. HOWEVER, in OZ, it takes months to get into this country. I would rather live in a country where you go through stringent checks before you do/do not get offered a VISA than live in the UK where boatloads of immigrants seem to arrive daily! Everyone has their point of view! Thats mine!! :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fatpom Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 johndEngland is not a crap hole country. A small part of the people in it are scum, who make life sh*t for others. We are the lucky ones we are able to get away, some might even say run away. But lets not insult our friends and family who are still living there by calling their country crap. Well said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wizardsleeve1 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 I dont think England is crap - parts of it like EVERY other country including Oz, can be crap and we would all be exceedingly naive to think that crime including rape, muggings, murders, drugs etc did not happen in Oz. We would also be naive to think that by leaving the UK, we will leave all of this behind when in fact if we looked at crime stats for Oz, they have their fair share of it which is equally frightening for them as our crime is for us. I may be waiting ages for my visa but I am happy living where I am in London, I go to work and go about my business and I havent been mugged or attacked. You may not like what the UK has become but to be honest, dont burn your bridges because you never know what might happen. People have vowed never to return home to be so overwhelmed by homesickness, they did not know what had hit them and came back. Crime happens everywhere in the world and if you can't accept your own country warts and all before you move on to your new one, then you may well be in for a shock when you land in Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tahe49 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 I may be waiting ages for my visa but I am happy living where I am in London, I go to work and go about my business and I havent been mugged or attacked. Crime happens everywhere in the world and if you can't accept your own country warts and all before you move on to your new one, then you may well be in for a shock when you land in Oz. Hi Wizardsleeves, I do agree with some of what you are saying but I was just intrigued to know why you are migrating? I too think that things will not be all rose tinted in Oz and I do think that now I have decided to migrate - I have started noticing lots of bad bits about the UK, strangely you never noticed them before :huh: I also think the size of the population will have a dramatic affect on the crime rate, there are 60 million people living in the UK and only 20 million in the whole of Australia. Thats quite a big difference.:goofy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wizardsleeve1 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Hi Wizardsleeves, I do agree with some of what you are saying but I was just intrigued to know why you are migrating? I too think that things will not be all rose tinted in Oz and I do think that now I have decided to migrate - I have started noticing lots of bad bits about the UK, strangely you never noticed them before :huh: I also think the size of the population will have a dramatic affect on the crime rate, there are 60 million people living in the UK and only 20 million in the whole of Australia. Thats quite a big difference.:goofy: When we first started the migration process (a long time ago), we went through the 'I hate the UK and want to leave pronto' stage. The desperation we felt to leave overshadowed everything and it was all we talked about, having little or no consideration for parents/friends/family who might just be devastated enough to see us go. Two trips to Oz - one was done on my own and I spent 6 weeks working in vets and zoos, confirmed it was the right thing to do - it feels right if you know what I mean. Our case is not straightforward and certain events in our life overshadowed our application. I had a huge reality check when my Mum was given 6 weeks to live and I moved in to the hospital to be with her and then the hospice, where she died a year ago on Boxing Day. Now that taught me to appreciate what I have in front of me right now and to accept the bad parts of life in the UK that I cannot change. I learned to value my family and be a bit more considerate and instead of telling them how much I hate the country they are going to continue living in and isolating them from my plans, I began to include them and stopped going on about Oz for hours on end (god Im embarrassed now just thinking about it). We have been waiting 14 months for our visa, my husband is from a high risk country and this country has suffered recent suicide bombers. Each time it happens, he has to phone to see if his family are OK/alive as it is near them. Had we not learned to see the good points of the UK and accept our lives for the present, then we would have cracked by now. We needed to take a step back and get rid of the rose tinted specs if you like. We do our best to make the most of each day and have made peace with the UK. I am not ashamed of where I come from, and I know that when we do make the move, Im leaving behind somewhere that although has its share of crime, there are far worse places to live. Sounds corny? perhaps, but when I see it from my husbands point of view, I know he fears for his family's safety constantly, where medical attention is poor, where it costs a substantial amount of your wages purely to eat properly and you have no idea if you will be OK tomorrow. See it from that point of view and you will also see that the UK is not that bad. Not perfect, but not that bad. And finally, I think I am at a 'place' in my life where I can move to Australia with no regrets and if I wanted to or had to, I could move back to the UK and still look forward. As for my rose tinted specs, I have a super pair all ready for when we get to Perth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest muppetbro Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 wizardsleeve that is a very sincere and touching reflection of your situation / experience..... such a positive way of thinking will surely serve you well wherever the river of life takes you - i wish you a fulfilling experience - much of what you wrote strikes a chord with me thank you for sharing such a positive flame whilst retaining a sence of reality mart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tahe49 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Thanks for your very moving reply wizardsleeve1, you sound as if the last few years have really given you time to reflect and I am sure your post will have an affect on lots of people reading it. Perhaps the "get outta here" chapter is all part of the roller coaster ride and I think it was an important point about not considering the thoughts of the people you leave behind. We have yet to tell our family and friends and I was starting to think it was a bad idea to not discuss it with them, but now maybe it will give us chance to make sure we do it right! Thank you once again for your thoughts - and I am sorry about your mum, we had a very similar situation with my father in law so my thoughts go out to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 I was going to leave it and keep my mouth shut but users of this forum have quoted me saying 'crap hole country' and seized on this as the main ingredient of my post, this was not the case. if you are going to quote someone why not read their post properly maybe even other posts on the forum by that person so you can get an idea where they are coming from. I have never been niave enough to think oz is the answer to all my prayers and that it is a utopia, someone elses words. as poeple who HAVE bothered to read my posts properly will know i have lived in oz before and during that time i wittnessed the worst side of oz life and for the sake of the people who will probably latch on to one of my sentences and keep quoting it here is a list of BAAAAADDDD things i saw/experienced in oz: 1- stolen car burnt out 200 yards from my aunts house in nsw. 2- petrol syphoned from my car in nsw 3- clothes stolen off my washing line nsw 4- someone stabbing someone, this happened in central sydney. 5- a few experiences of poeple 'out of there minds on drugs/drink', nsw and perth 6- people openly 'shooting up' in sydney 7- youths in cars destroying gardens/property by driving over it. perth I think thats enough for now, my friends have just moved to perth and have been burgled. this never happened to them in the uk. most of these things that happen in the uk and around the world everyday .for someone to say that i think i'm going to live in a utopia, well how can that be i know what life is like in oz i've smelt the s##t there as well as the roses, i'm a manual worker who has worked in the local steelworks in immpossible heat, and when i get there i'll probably have to do it all again, so if anyone wants to quote me read what i've said first. when i wrote 'crap hole' country i was in bad mood and probably looking at the uk from just my own perspective and not as a whole. if i lived in a cottage in north northhumberland then probably i would'nt call the uk. what worries me about britain today is the way we are all desensitised to serious crime, my local paper through 7 days probably has at least two murders and no one gives a crap, it may get a passing comment at work but thats about it. the tory government smashed the manufacturing base of this country so people like me who have trades in steel fabrication have a limited future, and before anyone starts going on about globilisation, and oz jobs being lost to china etc. i know this i have travelled the world with my job and wittnessed this 1st hand, the problem with the uk is that we are unique in the western world in that we seem to have a desire to get rid of our shipyards steel plants etc. this IS happening in other parts of the world but not to the extent it is in the uk. there is still a massive and thriving ship building industry on mainland europe, all be it some is moving to eastern europe. the tories closed the majority of the coal mines down, remember 1992?, when pits which had been open for 100 years were being closed with two weeks notice. the towns left behind HAVE NOT RECOVERED most people on disability, and now the odd mine is being re-opened here and there....its about time they admitted it was political. the labour party have been no better they have smashed our social base, with mass immigration to the uk of people who we know very little about. our national religion is being threatened on all sides...is it ok to be a white 30 something christian????.....sometimes i wonder. and finally,(at last), if uk is ok why are so many brits going to oz,new zealand, canda etc. i suppose we all view the world out of our own little goldfish bowl...i know i'm moving mine to oz. another long post. johnd p.s. sorry about the coal mine bit i sound like ben elton circa 1985! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 After being here only 6month we know its a better place around here than were we lived in the UK.I sometimes wonder what it will be like in another 20 years but whatever my answer is ,it will still be better than the uk .Not everyone will ever agree and if they did well life would be boring.Australians seem to have pride in their country,something english people lack, and wont let any migrant 'have their own way' ,the muslims complaining Anzac day is upsetting them have been told ''tough,its to celebrate those who died whilst defending THIS country'' ,this is what is lacking in the uk ,its about time the politicans grew some balls and sorted out the mess they made ,but as we all know this will never happen incase somewhere along the line someone gets offended !! The Uk will always be my home but sadly im not proud to say so anymore. Cal x p.s ,, if anyone does not agree ,,may i make it clear this is just my point of view before this thread runs out of control.lets all play happy and be merry !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 I think we get into the I hate UK mode because we seem to be constantly asked to justify why we're going, there is such mass despondency in the UK that if you say "well look at the country mate" .. they're likely to reply, "know what you mean, wish I had the guts to do it". It's a reason that people can relate too rather than the "want a better future for my kids, I want them to play outdoors, etc., Australia has it's share of problems, like parts of the Uk there are areas which will have drug problems, etc., the hospital where I work more than half of our admissions for psychotic illnesses are drug induced - Leave the rose tinted specs at home, that way you won't be disappointed when you get here - it really is a beautiful place Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mandyg Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 oh dear were as this thread led to lol well were still considering oz no matter what it throws at us even the ugly cockroaches now im been brave lol keep thinking shall i go or stay i just dont know yet untill i see it for myself. Although just had a beautifull weekend in the lake district now that is what i call natural beauty really love that place. One of the most beautifull places in england i think although im sure oz as many beautifull places but il wait and see for myself when i take my holiday there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 hi all , this post is going to be short. just read mandyg's post about the lakes,we have had a similar time, we went to whitby for the weekend, it was beautiful, weather perfect , accomodation spot on, things to see/do great, great pubs etc & of course fish & chips. its one of those weekends when you think should we really emigrate?.............but what i noticed which pees me off is young topless men drinking in the street and shouting their mouths off, it takes the shine off any trip. i feel like a hypocrite as i have been a member of my local rugby club for 19 years and done all the stupid drinking and fooling about that goes with the territory, but why can't we have laws that stop people openly boozing in the street, i think certain areas/towns have them but i don't think they are enforced enough. what is the law on this in oz ?,i can't remember. there a nice short non ranting post from me..............must be all the booze i had at the weekend!. johnd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabroom Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Hi all, I don't hate this country, there are certain things that annoy me and I am sure that will be the case in oz but I feel that we have an opportunity to experience a way of life in a different country and I don't want to still be sat here in 10 years time wondering what it would have been like, my mother wanted to go in the sixties but my father wouldn't. If it doesn't work then we can come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bunbury61 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 england,england, what has happened. i went for a run yesterday, in a nearby country park,(its literally across the road from my parents house),and its usually populated by the occassional dog walker or fellow runner. not on bank holiday though.... i witnessed not 1 not 2 but 3 groups of young lads and lasses ages from 15-18 drinking cider/lager smoking and abusing anyone they cared to including me and i am a fit 6ft tall rugby player,(with a shaven head!!!). two lads attempted to stop me crossing a footbridge and when i ran straight through them they shouted such things as you 'f###ing c##t'!!. when i left the country park in a layby there was a policeman talkng to a young disstressed woman. he asked me if i'd seen a youn man 20ish with a striped top. i said no but there are a lot of youths drinking alcohol and being abusive in the park. he said i'm not interested in that. i thought well one of them could be the person he was looking for but as he wasn't interested then..................the point is if young people old enough to drink or not aren't afraid to harrass someone like me what about a woman on there own or someone elderly, the police obviously do not give a crap and we do not live in rough area by any way shape or form. i then walked round my sisters house to see 2 young lads poss 15 drinking lager in a phone box. this is 3o'clock on a bank holiday all within half a mile of my home. we have our visas for oz, even if we have doubts, even if where we intend to live ,(illawarra), has high unemployment,(for oz), even if we miss family and friends...............sod it we are going, what is it going to be like in 10/20 years, will louts be able to attack people for fun?, with no recriminations?..........no matter where the users of this site end up i hope you all get your dream like my wife and i and have the chance to get out of this crap hole country!!!.johnd Sorry to disagree john ....what Englands youth need is a serious SLAP , a bit of TOUGH LOVE . I lived in Oz for 6 years and loved it , but England is still one of the best countries in the world to live in.......Iam back here and loving it ....i aint moving ps this **** goes on everywhere Oz included .....i speak from experience. Ive had a few run ins over in Oz , same **** ......swap chavs for surfies ....same bull**** friday night full of lash . These kids are either pissed or stoned ,looking for confrontation, and this was in a small town in Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyler Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think you'll find the level of racism is comparable to most Western countries with the exception that I think they are a little less tolerant to non-white immigrants. Australia certainly has the "lad" culture of the UK, maybe even more so. That said I find teaching the kids in Australia to be marginally better than the ones I taught in Ipswich, England, but not by much. Compared to Canada though I have to say that the kids are much less well behaved in both the UK and Australia...sorry guys it's true! We don't put up with as much crap in our schools: you mess about, you're out! If you habitually abuse teachers/students and are violent you are handed over to your parents and will have to be home schooled, period. Now one other interesting thing in Australia are the stickers on the back of a few people's cars that read: "F**k Off, We're Full" all enclosed in a nice map outline of Australia. But I'm sure people like that probably get their car keyed and air let out of their tyres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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