Britexit I told you so & i knew it!

[Oberon]

Quite funny to see Britons being joyful over this.

 

One day they'll just wake up to the fact that the daily problems they were experiencing were not caused by Europe. What's worse is that it'll probably lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom. Poor sods.

[VERYSTORMY]

So how long is "temporary"?

 

Very - look at the markets. A big fall, then by end of day, pound back were it was earlier in the year and shares recover about half of the fall already.

 

Life will carry one as normal.

[Johndoe]

Very - look at the markets. A big fall, then by end of day, pound back were it was earlier in the year and shares recover about half of the fall already.

 

Life will carry one as normal.

 

Yep! Just another opportunity for the fat cats to make a killing.............they had nothing to lose either way

[Gbye grey sky]

Very - look at the markets. A big fall, then by end of day, pound back were it was earlier in the year and shares recover about half of the fall already.

 

Life will carry one as normal.

 

The initial falls were in line with expectations.

 

I also predicted Cameron's resignation and a 2nd Scottish referendum. You may recall that the markets reacted unfavourably when they feared a break up of the union in 2014 so prepare for that circus to roll in to town again.

 

This is just the start. Many people I know realise that their jobs are now at risk over the coming months.

 

There is though a part of me that is pleased with the outcome as if Remain had won Brexiters would always have said that Britain would have benefitted if they had the guts to vote Leave. Over the coming months and years we will witness the fallacy of that and will wait to see who is next in line for the blame.

[bunbury61]

So how long is "temporary"?

 

However long it takes ....but its a brighter future for generations to come

Europe is finished ...a failed project ,making its people poorer and the elites richer .

I love Europe ,love visiting ,love the people and all its beauty .

But the e.u is a bad idea ...borders back up for me ...vive la difference .

[bunbury61]

Yep! Just another opportunity for the fat cats to make a killing.............they had nothing to lose either way

 

Spot on jd ,and that is it ,in a nutshell ...who is speaking up for our people ?...only the odd one or two ,john Mann being one of them ....the working class spoke up last night .

[Johndoe]

Spot on jd ,and that is it ,in a nutshell ...who is speaking up for our people ?...only the odd one or two ,john Mann being one of them ....the working class spoke up last night .

 

And surprisingly, apart for the fat cat haven of London, so did the middle class............Cornwall/Devon and the West Country really surprised me.

[BacktoDemocracy]

No you should have listened to me ? ..

 

Thank god for the working class people of the midlands and the north who decided the outcome .

 

Forget people like Boris and Cameron and bloody champagne socialist Jeremy corbyn .

It was LABOUR MP john Mann ,who understood the complaints of the working class people in the north .

Zero hour contracts being one of the issues.

 

Corbyn is supposed to represent these people ,and he was nowhere to be seen .

 

There was no celebration or back slapping .

 

The hard work begins .

We have left a failing organisation ,and are once again self employed ?.

We will be back ...britain always is ....

People on this forum wrote us off as recent as 2008 during the economic crisis .

We are now the 5th largest economy in the world ....we might take a dip ,but it will be temporary .

Pray do tell when did the EU introduce zero hours contracts, I thought that was an entirely home grown product.

[BacktoDemocracy]

However long it takes ....but its a brighter future for generations to come

Europe is finished ...a failed project ,making its people poorer and the elites richer .

I love Europe ,love visiting ,love the people and all its beauty .

But the e.u is a bad idea ...borders back up for me ...vive la difference .

 

Don't know whether you have children but if you have I hope they do not have to experience another European war, Turkey is becoming very touchy, having a big to do with Germany over the Armenia genocide , Russia has imperial ambitions and will see European disarray and right wing schism as it's opportunity to take back territory it believes its own and colonial ambition in N Africa and the middle east, all of eastern Europe has ethnic conflicts they would like to resolve, take your pick as to which one might be the trigger.

And all just because Bojo wanted to be leader of the Tories and Farage fancied being Bertie Wooster or is it Lord Blandings

[Johndoe]

Don't know whether you have children but if you have I hope they do not have to experience another European war, Turkey is becoming very touchy, Russia has imperial ambitions and will see European disarray and right wing schism as it's opportunity to take back territory it believes its own and colonial ambition in N Africa and the middle east, all of eastern Europe has ethnic conflicts they would like to resolve, take your pick as to which one might be the trigger.

And all just because Bojo wanted to be leader of the Tories and Farage fancied being Bertie Wooster or is it Lord Blandings

 

Explain clearly, if you can, just why Brexit makes the UK more militarily vulnerable. Europe has bugger all to do with NATO, we remain within NATO, despite the OUT vote. Iran? N Korea? will they feel less, or more threatened by a UK outside Europe? Not at all! We are still part of NATO so defence wise, in a political sense, nothing changes. What does change is that the UK can train and employ it's armed forces under her rules, not rules that say that military personnel should be afforded the same working conditions/hours as civilians, that you can only hold a suspected terrorist 72 hrs before charging based on rules enacted by the EU parliament, or many other number of rulings that UK top brass defence force chiefs are not happy with.

 

Civil rights has it's place in today's society...........but primarily that was in the past based on ethnicity as opposed to religion ............times have changed, as has the ethnicity/religions and yes, civil rights should still be observed, but those rights should be accorded, and enacted, based on/ and by, each country's individual needs at any such time as they feel threatened. They should not be dictated to by a multiple of other states who enact those laws for the "benefit of all". One state (within the EEU) may not feel as threatened as another, (by an ethnic/religious group) and accordingly may well accept those who have proven to be a problem in another state, therefore validating that groups "European rights" whilst at the same time,invalidating a partner state's concerns

[Westmoreland]

if cameron went to the EU and got meaningful reform, i am in no doubt remain would have edged it.

 

some sort of concession on the ridiculous policy of total free movement of people plus a deal on financial contributions to the EU budget and i would have given serious thought to remaining. however, true to form, the EU gave us nothing meaningful in cameron farcical 'renegotiation'. in any case cameron had no negotiating power - it was clear that both he and the majority of his party favoured EU membership.

 

those disappointed in the leave vote have the EU and the current UK government to blame. they have ignored peoples concerns over immigration. they thought having a few extra pounds in your pocket is more important than national identity, democracy, and quality of life. we now leave the EU, which will continue to stagnate economically for the foreseeable future. it is a hammer blow the the EU's credibility, and they must now attempt to carry on their project without the UK's £20n gross contribution and £8bn net.

[Peccavi]

The initial falls were in line with expectations.

 

I also predicted Cameron's resignation and a 2nd Scottish referendum. You may recall that the markets reacted unfavourably when they feared a break up of the union in 2014 so prepare for that circus to roll in to town again.

 

This is just the start. Many people I know realise that their jobs are now at risk over the coming months.

 

There is though a part of me that is pleased with the outcome as if Remain had won Brexiters would always have said that Britain would have benefitted if they had the guts to vote Leave. Over the coming months and years we will witness the fallacy of that and will wait to see who is next in line for the blame.

 

I intend to cash in on this; -(albeit at the expense of some poor sod/s): I've bet £5 each (four times today with my Brexiters) that there will be a dramatic increase in intolerance toward those we see as not 'British'. Just like the Australian FIFO, I suspect that 'this is our country not yours' or variations thereof, will grow.

 

I voted Remain, but far from being a bad loser, I see this-much as it makes me uneasy, -as a win for the 'working class' guy and guyess. They are the ones that get no voice. Well they damn well have one now, and on that one issue I'm pleased.

 

Voting was split:

More affluent areas: Remain.

Working class areas: Leave.

Working class areas with higher 'new British' citizens (will that do?): Remain.

CBD: Remain.

Security/citizenship issues (eg. Gibraltar 96%!/n-Ireland/Scotland): Remain.

 

It is unfortunate that small businesses etc who have suffered by EU membership became a voice at the back of the crowd; the issue was migrants. Migrants. Migrants.

...........and we now face the delightful points system of jolly ol' Oz.

 

I hated aligning myself with the likes of Cameron/ that little scamp Blair/...being told by Obama what to do/ Mark Carney (bank of England) preaching hellfire and brimstone/....and knowing that dear Margaret would approve (though it is unlikely that she would have tolerated 'working class' people having any voice at all).

I loathed being shoulder to shoulder with them, but the alternative-on one issue only, is worrying.

 

The migrant population of the UK, and those who have been here for many years; many born here, are about to become the 'whipping boys'. They will suffer. I get 20 quid.

I'm certain of the first, which secures the second, though I will be more than happy to have to payout after this first year (our agreed time limit).

 

I applaud the British working class, but I tell yer'; I'm uneasy; very uneasy.

[miw54]

Don't know whether you have children but if you have I hope they do not have to experience another European war, Turkey is becoming very touchy, having a big to do with Germany over the Armenia genocide , Russia has imperial ambitions and will see European disarray and right wing schism as it's opportunity to take back territory it believes its own and colonial ambition in N Africa and the middle east, all of eastern Europe has ethnic conflicts they would like to resolve, take your pick as to which one might be the trigger.

And all just because Bojo wanted to be leader of the Tories and Farage fancied being Bertie Wooster or is it Lord Blandings

 

 

The troubles arising in Turkey and Europe are nothing to do with Brexit. The people of Britain were asked to make a choice. After great consideration of all the issues, the majority chose to vote leave - nothing to do with the ambitions of Bojo or Farage. One way or the other, a great proportion of the population were going to be disappointed, but we were all given the opportunity to vote and, in doing so, had to face the prospect that the outcome might not be the one we wanted. It could have gone either way. This is democracy in action. We have a result and, like it or not, we have to move forwards.

[Sustain]

But I won't be selling anything so I don't think it will matter too much in the long run.

 

 

 

Selling is wrong move in down turn unless you have bespoke shares. This would be the best time to buy up those mainstream blue chip shares.

 

The market will bounce back, its just nervous in terms of uncertainty

 

Trade will still continue

 

Its not the end of the world, its a change of guard.

[Perthbum]

to be honest this could in time be the greatest thing that has happened to the UK in decades.

[Wooba]

Selling is wrong move in down turn unless you have bespoke shares. This would be the best time to buy up those mainstream blue chip shares.

 

The market will bounce back, its just nervous in terms of uncertainty

 

Trade will still continue

 

Its not the end of the world, its a change of guard.

 

Absolutely true.. Those who sold on the worst day of the global financial crisis took massive losses. Those that stayed calm and ignored it were rewarded. Those with the guts to buy were rewarded handsomely.

[Wooba]

to be honest this could in time be the greatest thing that has happened to the UK in decades.

 

I believe it will be. Just think about the fishing industry alone. An island nation surrounded by rich waters. Getting back the 80% they were not allowed to take. It will be a renaissance.

[Gbye grey sky]

The troubles arising in Turkey and Europe are nothing to do with Brexit. The people of Britain were asked to make a choice. After great consideration of all the issues, the majority chose to vote leave - nothing to do with the ambitions of Bojo or Farage. One way or the other, a great proportion of the population were going to be disappointed, but we were all given the opportunity to vote and, in doing so, had to face the prospect that the outcome might not be the one we wanted. It could have gone either way. This is democracy in action. We have a result and, like it or not, we have to move forwards.

 

I agree with this. Given much of what I heard and read from Leave supporters during the campaign the reaction would have been far worse if the result had gone the other way. The referendum stirred up a lot of latent emotions and a fair amount of hate so am hoping that this moderates now.

 

Everyone now must pull together to limit the damage. There is a huge amount to do now over the next few years rewriting legislation and negotiating trade agreements. This vote will have dealt a huge blow to Europe. There will be a period of instability and recession there which will also impact the UK economy.

 

The economy was shaky anyway so a major event like this is bound to have repercussions.

 

Long term I cannot see Brexit being good for the people of Britain but the decision has been made and everyone must try to move forward and make the best of it.

[Keith and Linda]

That great nation built on the backs of colonies and reselling cheap Empire products, it's 2016 not 1860, we lost an Empire and never found a new role for ourselves, this is going to be a rerun of the 1960's.

 

This is so so stupid! It is you and others like you that seem to be stuck back in the 1860's. I have not heard or read one thing on wanting to retake over any of our old colonies, I have however read plenty on the need to make trade deals with countries from around the globe, (maybe you think that is how we want to build a colonial empire in the modern world of 2016?). We are not stuck in the 1760's or 1860's and we did not lose an empire we moved with the times, and remember the 1760's and 1860's were a time of empire building (not just by the UK either) and the 1960's a time of self governance by the peoples of many of those countries, some of the noticeable exceptions to this being the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and I suppose in a way some of the Caribbean countries could be included.

[Gbye grey sky]

This is so so stupid! It is you and others like you that seem to be stuck back in the 1860's. I have not heard or read one thing on wanting to retake over any of our old colonies, I have however read plenty on the need to make trade deals with countries from around the globe, (maybe you think that is how we want to build a colonial empire in the modern world of 2016?). We are not stuck in the 1760's or 1860's and we did not lose an empire we moved with the times, and remember the 1760's and 1860's were a time of empire building (not just by the UK either) and the 1960's a time of self governance by the peoples of many of those countries, some of the noticeable exceptions to this being the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and I suppose in a way some of the Caribbean countries could be included.

 

I have to smile when I read about doing trade deals - as if they are easy and don't take years and don't require plenty of compromise. The put Britain first brigade have indicated scant regard for compromise but are about to learn the hard way that sovereign nations and trading blocs require give and take and will not bow down to Britain.

[Keith and Linda]

Quite funny to see Britons being joyful over this.

 

One day they'll just wake up to the fact that the daily problems they were experiencing were not caused by Europe. What's worse is that it'll probably lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom. Poor sods.

 

Yes a real shame we all do not have your 20-20 foresight! and ability to stay awake!

[Keith and Linda]

I have to smile when I read about doing trade deals - as if they are easy and don't take years and don't require plenty of compromise. The put Britain first brigade have indicated scant regard for compromise but are about to learn the hard way that sovereign nations and trading blocs require give and take and will not bow down to Britain.

 

With the UK being a net importer I can see some deals coming through pretty quickly along with some others seeing opportunities that were not available to them in the (or due to) the EU. The UK has always appeared to be a soft touch in negotiations of any type and I cannot see this changing when new deals are in the offing.

[Gbye grey sky]

With the UK being a net importer I can see some deals coming through pretty quickly along with some others seeing opportunities that were not available to them in the (or due to) the EU. The UK has always appeared to be a soft touch in negotiations of any type and I cannot see this changing when new deals are in the offing.

 

The EU is a far larger net importer than the UK but everyone thinks the UK can get better deals than the EU can. Good luck with that.

[Wooba]

I have to smile when I read about doing trade deals - as if they are easy and don't take years and don't require plenty of compromise. The put Britain first brigade have indicated scant regard for compromise but are about to learn the hard way that sovereign nations and trading blocs require give and take and will not bow down to Britain.

 

And nor should they. Deals should be made so they are fair to both parties. The UK has been getting the shaft within the EU. It's time to even that up a bit, not punish.

[Gbye grey sky]

And nor should they. Deals should be made so they are fair to both parties. The UK has been getting the shaft within the EU. It's time to even that up a bit, not punish.

 

To be fair you don't need to keep peddling this crap now as the voting is over and 52% of the public believed it so job done there.