Expats will you / have you registered to vote in the Brexit referendum?

[Gbye grey sky]

Many who are voting "remain" are doing so as they voted for a Labour UK government, and didn't get one, so they want to remain in the EU to get socialism by the back door.

 

The silly fools have not noticed that the Far Right parties are on a huge rise across the EU.

 

So at the next EU election they may find that by remaining in they are under the aegis of a hard-right-wing EU government, one over which they have no influence.

 

 

If that were truly the case then there would be no real point in UK elections at all......and why would Cameron and Osborne be supporting Remain?

 

 

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[Thom]

There is little point in UK elections if government decisions are handed over to the EU, agreed.

[Gbye grey sky]

There is little point in UK elections if government decisions are handed over to the EU, agreed.

 

Yes, IF they were then there wouldn't be any point.

 

The reality is that few are. And no nation is an island anymore so total autonomy cannot exist in the 21st century.

 

The British Empire has gone and will not be realised again just by voting to leave the EU.

 

 

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[Bibbs]

If that were truly the case then there would be no real point in UK elections at all......and why would Cameron and Osborne be supporting Remain?

Well where will Cameron and Osborne be working, once they quit being in government? You guessed it .. somewhere in the EU government no doubt.

[Gbye grey sky]

Well where will Cameron and Osborne be working, once they quit being in government? You guessed it .. somewhere in the EU government no doubt.

 

Presumably you have a list of former PMs, Chancellors of the Exchequer or even government ministers who have worked for the EU Government after leaving office. I can't think of any so can you help with that?

 

The reality is that they are far more likely to get lucrative non-exec posts on PLC Boards in the future however the vote goes.

 

Some of these arguments are just desperately clutching at straws.

 

 

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[Quinkla]

Is the EU perfect? Of course not, but I have not seen anything approaching a coherent economic argument for leaving as of yet.

That is because the argument to leave is really an emotional one, not an economic one. There's nothing wrong with emotional arguments per so - often questions of national self-determination are based on emotion rather than expedience - but in this case, the real issue for me is that the emotional arguments are wrong. They all seem to point to a bygone age when Britannia ruled the waves. That ship has sailed - and had sailed long before 1973. And they point to a future with no refugees - even though the refugees have nothing to do with the EU and arguably, without the EU, there would be less scope for Britain to agree plans for settling refugees with other European countries.

 

I have fingers firmly crossed that common sense will prevail. The remain camp has stayed constant at 51% and I'm guessing that whilst the majority is slim, those Remainers are firm in their resolve.

[Bibbs]

Presumably you have a list of former PMs, Chancellors of the Exchequer or even government ministers who have worked for the EU Government after leaving office. I can't think of any so can you help with that?

 

The pillock Kinnock (and his wife) are two that spring to mind.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192894/Revealed-How-Kinnocks-enjoyed-astonishing-10m-ride-EU-gravy-train.html

 

Blair was sniffing around after his roaring success as the Middle East Peace Envoy.

 

Wasn't Mandelson also involved as an EU commissioner?

 

Some of these arguments are just desperately clutching at straws.

 

I don't know what you mean, I'm not voting. I have no dog in this fight.

 

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[Thom]

Yes, IF they were then there wouldn't be any point.

 

The reality is that few are. And no nation is an island anymore so total autonomy cannot exist in the 21st century.

 

The British Empire has gone and will not be realised again just by voting to leave the EU.

 

 

 

No one is relying on the "Empire", or even the commonwealth, that's just a strawman.

 

The Uk as the fifth largest economy in the world is quite capable of compin on it's own, in fact some believe it would flourish outside of the EU monolith.

 

Cameron and Osbourne want to "remain" as they are in the pockets of big business.

[Gbye grey sky]

No one is relying on the "Empire", or even the commonwealth, that's just a strawman.

 

The Uk as the fifth largest economy in the world is quite capable of compin on it's own, in fact some believe it would flourish outside of the EU monolith.

 

Cameron and Osbourne want to "remain" as they are in the pockets of big business.

 

Unlike those men of the people, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove et al.

 

Not sure how you can square the circle that it is socialism by the back door supported by big business but hey!

 

 

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[Metoo]

For as long as people can remember, voting has been secret with nobody being able to trace how we vote. I propose this should be abolished for the purpose of the referendum.

Here is why.

We should vote for the good of the country at large and not our personal beliefs. However, I think many of us do vote for our personal beliefs and I can understand that. In the case of the EU, I can understand that many of us have a big fondness for our friends in mainland Europe. We enjoy visiting, we enjoy their wine, and we enjoy their cheese and hospitality. We like to be able to skip over to France on the train and not need visas. But, this is not a vote on how much we like Europe, nor is it even a vote on how much we, as individuals, like the EU. It is a vote about what is best for the UK.

So, you ask, what has this got to do with stopping secret ballot? The answer is simple. There are sadly, many who will vote Remain because of these ideas. I can understand them. But, it doesn’t mean they are right.

We can all see the effects of unrestrained migration on the UK. Every day, I see jobs that were never even close to being minimum wage jobs, but now are because market forces of too much labour has allowed employers to make them so. Many of us have friends who are things such as plumbers or electricians who are seeing their livelihoods destroyed and who have had to lay off their apprentices because they can’t compete with someone who is from a country that has average earnings of £4k a year.

We, as a society, cannot take this level of migration. It is not racist or little Englander to say we need to control migration. It is in fact the policy we have applied to the rest of the none EU world and so does every other country.

Our services cannot take it.

The majority of migrants are significant net receivers of GDP. Why? Well, do the maths. Even if a person earns £27k a year – and few migrants earn this amount – that is only about £4k a year in tax. Now, if they are a family of say 2 adults and 2 children. That £4k doesn’t even cover the cost of educating the children – not even close. That is before we factor in costs for receiving NHS treatment, benefits and every aspect of the services provided by the government.

So, my proposal is this.

If you want to vote remain, that is your right. However, the costs of that decision are enormous and far higher than what we can bear with our current taxes. So, it seems to me only fair that those that want to remain in the EU should shoulder that burden. I therefore propose that people’s votes are recorded by their names and in the event of a Remain vote, those people then pay a higher tax. It would probably need to be a large amount – we have had 3 million people move to the UK and the vast majority are net receivers. Therefore, all Remain voters should pay a tax of £500 a week to allow for extra benefits for those affected by migration and to pay for the extra services.

That to me seems fair.

 

 

Good one Stormy, though I suspect all the 'remainians' will go very quiet when the $4it hits the fan and the country is in dire straights. Anyone who is undecided should watch 'Brexit the Movie' on u tube.

[Thom]

Not sure how you can square the circle that it is socialism by the back door supported by big business but hey!

 

 

 

 

Quite easily. You have mixed two people's motivations, trying to prove something which hasn't been claimed.

 

Of course the Tories are in the pockets of big business, some Tories love the cheap labour and suppressed wages that EU immigration gives them access too

 

Of course left wing voters in the UK enjoy the socialist mandates of the EU, specially when we have a UK Tory government.

 

If you try to keep the issues and people separate, and not mix them up to try to prove something no one has claimed, you'll not confuse yourself so much.

[Gbye grey sky]

Quite easily. You have mixed two people's motivations, trying to prove something which hasn't been claimed.

 

Of course the Tories are in the pockets of big business, some Tories love the cheap labour and suppressed wages that EU immigration gives them access too

 

Of course left wing voters in the UK enjoy the socialist mandates of the EU, specially when we have a UK Tory government.

 

If you try to keep the issues and people separate, and not mix them up to try to prove something no one has claimed, you'll not confuse yourself so much.

 

So, in a nutshell, the EU is the best of both worlds.

 

 

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[Thom]

So, in a nutshell, the EU is the best of both worlds.

 

 

 

 

If you're a rich Tory, or someone who likes back door socialism, yes. :-)

[namron1]

We have registered for proxy votes

Definite leave voters

so much spin and lies produced by the government shows their desperation to remain at all cost whether it is right or not for the people of the UK

[Ferrets]

Definite remain.

 

There seems to be a mistaken (in my opinion) expectation that whilst there may be a hit to the wider economy it won't necessarily impact those who are voting individually. I know from work that my job will go overseas if there is Brexit, and would expect a lot more too, particularly in financial services, which we are kinda good at.

 

To me the worst thing is that generally it seems that this is more of a generational vote - amongst my peers (under 55) irrespective of normal party voting intentions there is a consensus to remain, vs. what appears as an older voter inclination to leave. The impact of this will be felt for years to come, and the rhetoric seems increasingly xenophobic which saddens me.

[Thom]

One of the reasons I've voted "out" is that no one in the "leave" campaign has tried to belittle me, insult me, or call me a "racist" for my political beliefs.

[Gbye grey sky]

One of the reasons I've voted "out" is that no one in the "leave" campaign has tried to belittle me, insult me, or call me a "racist" for my political beliefs.

 

Why would someone you fully agree with insult you anyway. That makes no sense.

 

Mind you, I agree that the Remain camp have fought a depressingly negative campaign starting from a position of over-confidence and gravitating to increasingly desperate warnings.

 

The reality was that the UKs inward migration has greatly helped the country ride the GFC better than other countries in Europe despite the fact that Britain was more exposed to the repercussions of the crash than everyone else due to the greater comparative dependence on the banking sector. Nobody is brave enough to make the positive case for immigration against a backdrop of rampant xenophobia.

[PW1]

Does anyone know if you can send your proxy vote form to your local registration office by email? To HAVE to post it seems a bit old fashioned. Thank you.

 

Regards,

Paul.