Harpodom Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Seriously though, parley must feel very threatened by the idea of someone like me becoming an Australian citizen. He's been banging on about me having no right to voice any opinion on Australian politics for years now. I suppose that fits nicely with the Brandis style of free speech, free speech so long as its causes fear and division, but no freedom at all voice criticism of the current govt. Weird.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.yauami.com/blog/2015/03/26/an-open-letter-to-sydney-boys-high-old-boys-union/ This is quite a story, over 400 old boys of ScoMo's old school have signed this open letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Seriously though, parley must feel very threatened by the idea of someone like me becoming an Australian citizen. He's been banging on about me having no right to voice any opinion on Australian politics for years now. I suppose that fits nicely with the Brandis style of free speech, free speech so long as its causes fear and division, but no freedom at all voice criticism of the current govt. Weird.... Haha that's because at the moment my vote cancels out Parleys (or vice versa) so it's stalemate - once you and Endless Winter are voting as well he's got three of us against him! Oh, and not marching - March in Adelaide was last week but I can barely walk at the moment (am dissolving slowly and everything is leaking out through a hole in my knee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Seriously though, parley must feel very threatened by the idea of someone like me becoming an Australian citizen. He's been banging on about me having no right to voice any opinion on Australian politics for years now. I suppose that fits nicely with the Brandis style of free speech, free speech so long as its causes fear and division, but no freedom at all voice criticism of the current govt. Weird.... Or free speech so long as your views don't differ from theirs?. I've never understood why some people have an issue with non-Australians commenting on Australian affairs. We're all part of the same world after all. Do the same people think "Oh hello, the Americans have elected a new President with a reputation for a hawkish foreign-policy that could have massive implications globally, but hang on, it's not my country so I'm best off keeping my nose out of it?" Everyone has the right to comment, we're a global community after all. When I worked in London it was fascinating to hear from foreign nationals as to what they thought of Britain and the British, the bad just as much as the good. In fact, the negative stuff about the place was actually more interesting as it provided a more rounded perspective. If everybody just said nice things about the place continuously then I'd seriously question both their sanity and my own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I'm really looking forward to the day I get my citizenship mate, I'll feel a real sense if pride and belonging. Just think, I'll be just as Australian as parley!:biglaugh:. I doubt that. I've lived here since 1978. I thought you didn't pay any tax. Doesn't your wife work, and you stay home with the kids ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.yauami.com/blog/2015/03/26/an-open-letter-to-sydney-boys-high-old-boys-union/ This is quite a story, over 400 old boys of ScoMo's old school have signed this open letter I don't know how I feel about that one. It's good that they acknowledge the free speech issue inherent in the possibility of the invite being rescinded, but I'd back his right to attend. The caveat that I would add is that he should prepare himself for comments critical of his actions in his former role to be made by some of those attending. One of the things that was very evident about Morrison in that role was his tendency to bridle furiously when journalists criticised, or even closely questioned his actions. It seems that he is not a man given to engaging in a debate where he may be called to account for his decisions. Ought to be an interesting evening. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Or free speech so long as your views don't differ from theirs?. I've never understood why some people have an issue with non-Australians commenting on Australian affairs. We're all part of the same world after all. Do the same people think "Oh hello, the Americans have elected a new President with a reputation for a hawkish foreign-policy that could have massive implications globally, but hang on, it's not my country so I'm best off keeping my nose out of it?" Everyone has the right to comment, we're a global community after all. When I worked in London it was fascinating to hear from foreign nationals as to what they thought of Britain and the British, the bad just as much as the good. In fact, the negative stuff about the place was actually more interesting as it provided a more rounded perspective. If everybody just said nice things about the place continuously then I'd seriously question both their sanity and my own! I think it's a rightard thing mate, you tend to get this 'show some respect' (ie f off) thing from the, shall we say, more 'conservative' members of the Australian community. They seem ill equipped to cope with outside opinion. I suppose that explains why the ultra conservative types have major problems with science, evidence and social change. They seem especially threatened by progressive social change, like same sex marriage, gender equality and the like. They seem wedded to the idea that climate change is a global conspiracy theory dreamed up by those lefties at the UN. I suppose some of them might have the capacity to be nice people...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I doubt that. I've lived here since 1978. I thought you didn't pay any tax. Doesn't your wife work, and you stay home with the kids ? I thought that's what you did Parley? Nah, we'll be just as Australian as you Parley. We might even move into the houses either side of yours and keep you awake at night by playing Cold Chisel at full volume and hooning up and down the street in our Utes. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 I thought that's what you did Parley? Nah, we'll be just as Australian as you Parley. We might even move into the houses either side of yours and keep you awake at night by playing Cold Chisel at full volume and hooning up and down the street in our Utes. :wink: Speak for yourself mate, I'll be too busy hosting a politics club with my disabled lesbian Muslim asylum seeker friends. It will a specialist club mind, emphasis on books by John Pilger and extended essays of Julian Burnside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 But I've also been an Australian citizen since 1972. That must make me a lot more Australian than someone who has been Australian for 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 But I've also been an Australian citizen since 1972. That must make me a lot more Australian than someone who has been Australian for 5 minutes. But not more so than someone who was born here, I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 You are lucky Diane, but you left this wonderful country for a long time didn't you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Ah but that does mean I lived through the Thatcher years.... and the Blair ones! Travel broadens the mind, Parley, you should try it sometime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 When Labor won state elections in Queensland and Victoria, a lot of people blamed Tony Abbott. But it looks like in NSW, Liberal is going to win comfortably. So maybe Tony will get some credit this time. Seems people are warming to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 When Labor won state elections in Queensland and Victoria, a lot of people blamed Tony Abbott. But it looks like in NSW, Liberal is going to win comfortably. So maybe Tony will get some credit this time. Seems people are warming to him. Funny how he didn't vote in the state he lives in though - oh that's right, he had a postal vote because his party sent him interstate on voting day! Wonder why they did that..... LOLOLOL... wouldn't be to avoid the Toxic Tony effect, would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 http://www.yauami.com/blog/2015/03/26/an-open-letter-to-sydney-boys-high-old-boys-union/ This is quite a story, over 400 old boys of ScoMo's old school have signed this open letter I might have known that you would be happy at the thought of someone's right to free speech being curtailed because you don't agree with his views. I think I read in the SMH that the list of 'OB's' includes John Pilger? I loathe John Pilger, but I would never sign a letter trying to stop him speaking. And how many 'OB's' did NOT sign the open letter? I imagine the number of 'OB's' must run into the thousands, if not tens of thousands? How many people are NOT going to take part in the Palm Sunday marches? You will be able to count them in their hundreds of thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Funny how he didn't vote in the state he lives in though - oh that's right, he had a postal vote because his party sent him interstate on voting day! Wonder why they did that..... LOLOLOL... wouldn't be to avoid the Toxic Tony effect, would it? Now you really are being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Really? That's the conclusion you have come to? An overall assumption, which obviously makes it easier for you... I don't have an opinion on Tony Abbott apart from what I see at the world stage. The reason is because I'm not an Australian citizen and I've never lived in the country. Therefore, my opinion on Tony Abbott doesn't actually matter. You however, seem to have a very emotional and obsessive view on Tony Abbott that you share by preaching and ranting on a number of threads on this forum. Fair enough, you obviously live in Australia and you are a citizen. However, because people don't agree with your view or they are looking at your point from another perspective, you write obnoxious and suggestive comments. Ok, it seems that putting people in boxes is easy for you when you have to preach your cause. Do I think the way asylum seekers trying to get to Australia by boats and placed in camps at Naru and the way they are treated a good thing? Overall, no. Though, with the speculative reports of what happens on camp, it is very difficult to trust the source of information. The Australian government have explained, as I am sure you have been told, that the journey the asylum seekers make is dangerous and apparently controlled by criminal gangs. I have read that the polls suggest a lot of Australians approve of the government's move with their tough policies on asylum seekers.…ok, well it's their country and fair enough….again, I have no opinion. When I come across a comment based on the reasons why UK citizens chose to move to Australia, I have to say it was hilarious at first but overall the biggest amount of bull I have ever read….and yes, I had to comment whether you liked it or not. Your initial posts on this thread was very interesting and informative, but then your point fell apart. Categorising people in boxes, is such a simplistic and narrow minded way to get your point across and when you wrap it up with ignorant and exaggerated speculation on people who challenge you - your initial point deteriorates and you lose your audience. This seems to be a forum for you to express your intensive, informative and expressive views…I just wonder how much it benefits you to share this information on PomsinOz, or are you better off joining a cause, a movement or something that may add more value? For someone without an opinion you sure write a lot on things you have little knowledge on. One living here in Australia is well entitled to have an emotional and in your eyes obsessive view on Abbott and his government taken into consideration the harm being attempted and the politics being imposed on the Australian people. I must say, I'm at a bit of a loss just to determine what your beef is about. I'm afraid your on very shaky ground entering the fry on the treatment of asylum seekers within the Australian context and no it is far from speculative reports that have surfaced on ill treatment occurring within the camps. Check it out or do you require to be spoon fed every organisation that has condemned of the practise of ill treatment being undertaken within the off detention network, not forgetting of course the grave risk those that do speak up will likely incur. The Australian government has explained........makes me smile. Not to dis similar from the reasons Zimbabwe government explaining why white owned farms are needed to be taken over by government in the national interest. If the government says so it must be alright...... I didn't quite catch what you found so funny with regards the reasons given for UK citizens moving to Australia are. Perhaps when the hilarity passes you could inform? I find the mentioned posts more than adequate in response to the continued right wing agitation to which you had nothing to say about. One can share the benefits on Poms in Oz as well adding value outside the arena of cyber space where it really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Funny how he didn't vote in the state he lives in though - oh that's right, he had a postal vote because his party sent him interstate on voting day! Wonder why they did that..... LOLOLOL... wouldn't be to avoid the Toxic Tony effect, would it? I don't think anyone in their right mind would attribute any credit to captain clownshoes for Bairds popularity Diane. This news corpse bump in the polls needs to be taken with a bucket load of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 It is really quite chilling that so-called educated people should seek to stop someone speaking because they don't agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Really? That's the conclusion you have come to? An overall assumption, which obviously makes it easier for you... I don't have an opinion on Tony Abbott apart from what I see at the world stage. The reason is because I'm not an Australian citizen and I've never lived in the country. Therefore, my opinion on Tony Abbott doesn't actually matter. You however, seem to have a very emotional and obsessive view on Tony Abbott that you share by preaching and ranting on a number of threads on this forum. Fair enough, you obviously live in Australia and you are a citizen. However, because people don't agree with your view or they are looking at your point from another perspective, you write obnoxious and suggestive comments. Ok, it seems that putting people in boxes is easy for you when you have to preach your cause. Do I think the way asylum seekers trying to get to Australia by boats and placed in camps at Naru and the way they are treated a good thing? Overall, no. Though, with the speculative reports of what happens on camp, it is very difficult to trust the source of information. The Australian government have explained, as I am sure you have been told, that the journey the asylum seekers make is dangerous and apparently controlled by criminal gangs. I have read that the polls suggest a lot of Australians approve of the government's move with their tough policies on asylum seekers.…ok, well it's their country and fair enough….again, I have no opinion. When I come across a comment based on the reasons why UK citizens chose to move to Australia, I have to say it was hilarious at first but overall the biggest amount of bull I have ever read….and yes, I had to comment whether you liked it or not. Your initial posts on this thread was very interesting and informative, but then your point fell apart. Categorising people in boxes, is such a simplistic and narrow minded way to get your point across and when you wrap it up with ignorant and exaggerated speculation on people who challenge you - your initial point deteriorates and you lose your audience. This seems to be a forum for you to express your intensive, informative and expressive views…I just wonder how much it benefits you to share this information on PomsinOz, or are you better off joining a cause, a movement or something that may add more value? Spot on post that, well said, for someone with a low post count I would assume you may not be a frequent participant in the forum but can obviously spot the posting style a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 For someone without an opinion you sure write a lot on things you have little knowledge on. One living here in Australia is well entitled to have an emotional and in your eyes obsessive view on Abbott and his government taken into consideration the harm being attempted and the politics being imposed on the Australian people. I must say, I'm at a bit of a loss just to determine what your beef is about. I'm afraid your on very shaky ground entering the fry on the treatment of asylum seekers within the Australian context and no it is far from speculative reports that have surfaced on ill treatment occurring within the camps. Check it out or do you require to be spoon fed every organisation that has condemned of the practise of ill treatment being undertaken within the off detention network, not forgetting of course the grave risk those that do speak up will likely incur. The Australian government has explained........makes me smile. Not to dis similar from the reasons Zimbabwe government explaining why white owned farms are needed to be taken over by government in the national interest. If the government says so it must be alright...... I didn't quite catch what you found so funny with regards the reasons given for UK citizens moving to Australia are. Perhaps when the hilarity passes you could inform? I find the mentioned posts more than adequate in response to the continued right wing agitation to which you had nothing to say about. One can share the benefits on Poms in Oz as well adding value outside the arena of cyber space where it really matters. How can you compare the government of Australia to the government of Zimbabwe, when one is elected in 'free and fair' elections, and will be 'un-elected' if the people of Australia so decide at the next election, and the other is a horrible dictatorship and a sham democracy with the most un-free and un-fair elections. Is it a lie that the transport of asylum seekers is controlled by criminal gangs? Is it also a lie that the trip is dangerous? You only have to see the state of the boats, how crowded they are, and the frequent shipwrecks, drownings, and rescues. Why should we believe everything (bad) that is alleged to have happened in the various detention camps, when there have been frequent cases where allegations have been made, (naturally) accepted at face value by the ABC and Fairfax, broadcast and/or printed as 'fact', and then proven to be lies, eg, the allegation that RAN personnel deliberately burnt asylum seekers. Tony Abbott won the last election, in part because he promised to 'stop the boats', which he did. He has since made a number of mistakes and 'cock ups', although of late, his ratings seem to have approved. I have read plenty of criticism of Tony Abbott but little of it blames his unpopularity on 'stopping the boats.' How is he viewed 'on the world stage?' Well, the left seizes on every little thing he does and trumpets it as proof of his idiocy, and the way he embarrasses the Australian people, when they are relatively minor things, on a par with the BBC journo who made Michael Clarke and Steve Smith laugh because he said 'sex' instead of 'success.' Had Tony Abbott said something like this, the ABC and the Fairfax press would have turned it into the lead story and headlines. So what if Tony Abbott said 'Canadia' or whatever it was. And I still can't understand why so many of his critics take Putin's side rather than Abbott's? It would be like having a go at Churchill for insulting Hitler. I guess the real thing that Amelie finds so odd about the criticism of Abbott (which we all do of course) is how you and others can portray the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd era as some kind of super Golden Age, destroyed by the stupidity of the Australian people listening to Rupert Murdoch and 2GB's lies, when the evidence of Labor's mega incompetence was all around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Libs returned in NSW. A vote of confidence and very pleasing result for the people of NSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Amelie Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 What exactly was going on in a country called Zimbabwe? Oh wait a minute wasn't that the place where the majority were denied voting rights? Ruled over by a rather racist and ill educated minority. A Right Wing British government no less passed the country over to Marxist rule. I can see your angst with the subject of human rights and unfortunate events. Another sweeping comment with an assumption. I'm British, lived in Zimbabwe as an Ex-pat for 2 years, studied and did voluntary work in the late 90's. For your information, there is still a majority who are denied voting rights - or are forced to vote for the established 'Right Wing' government, led by a dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Amelie Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Also isn't there some saying about for evil to happen, all it takes is for good men to stay silent? And for the record, I am a citizen, I do have a vote and I exercise it in an informed manner, not letting those with a vested interest sway me one way or another, as that would make me as complicit in evil as those who are perpetrating the acts. That's the point - you're a citizen - you can vote - therefore, it is the Australian citizens who can make the ultimate decision on what happens in their country….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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