wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 About 10 years all together in oz and in the UK, **** boring work IMO, prefer being a barman. How old were you PB when you started on construction sites? Prefer earning minimum wage as a bar an compared to being a chippy? Think you may prefer that becaus ou can't get work as a chippy? Why is it **** boring work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 How old were you PB when you started on construction sites? Prefer earning minimum wage as a bar an compared to being a chippy? Think you may prefer that becaus ou can't get work as a chippy? Why is it **** boring work? Ask most tradesmen working on building sites if they enjoy their jobs the vast majority dislike it but they have to do it to pay the mortgage, better than working on a car production track I should imagine......I lovvveeee being a barman, chatting up all the women and the buzz about the place.....ohhhhhh, forgot to tell anyone I am being headhunter by mortons as I am a master at cocktails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 On the last paragraph, good for you that you are more clued up. And which benefits would be cut away? What would you qualify for? Jobseekers? Housing benefits are being cut, council tax benefit has been cut so anyone regardless of income must pay at least 25% of their council tax, I'm self employed so its a mission trying to get job seekers as I could've back in work for a week then out again etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Ask most tradesmen working on building sites if they enjoy their jobs the vast majority dislike it but they have to do it to pay the mortgage, better than working on a car production track I should imagine......I lovvveeee being a barman, chatting up all the women and the buzz about the place.....ohhhhhh, forgot to tell anyone I am being headhunter by mortons as I am a master at cocktails. Most blokes on site do moan but that's just the moaning culture, half of them don't realise how badly some people are paid in other jobs. I actually chose to be a spark, could have gone on any path but I wanted some knowledge that i could use as I wished. Eventually I will set up properly for myself and will look to expand, not in this country though, I'm happy doing site work for now with private stuff on the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Ask most tradesmen working on building sites if they enjoy their jobs the vast majority dislike it but they have to do it to pay the mortgage, better than working on a car production track I should imagine......I lovvveeee being a barman, chatting up all the women and the buzz about the place.....ohhhhhh, forgot to tell anyone I am being headhunter by mortons as I am a master at cocktails. But why is it **** boring? So how old were you when you started in he construction industry? Edited March 29, 2013 by wakeboard1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Housing benefits are being cut, council tax benefit has been cut so anyone regardless of income must pay at least 25% of their council tax, I'm self employed so its a mission trying to get job seekers as I could've back in work for a week then out again etc. What are your nic per week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Most blokes on site do moan but that's just the moaning culture, half of them don't realise how badly some people are paid in other jobs. I actually chose to be a spark, could have gone on any path but I wanted some knowledge that i could use as I wished. Eventually I will set up properly for myself and will look to expand, not in this country though, I'm happy doing site work for now with private stuff on the side. Why don't you want to expand in this country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 No that's because you are assuming what someone is meaning. I asked did you become an electrician because you wanted to get back to your labour roots. That's what I did say. What you think I meant was that being an electrician is lowly. Again, your words not mine. and something else, you say when you were a project manager you were making money for someone else. That's must be exactly what you are doing now working on the refurb. Whats the connection there Wakey,are you saying/assuming most sparkies vote Labour but project managers vote tory? Just asking btw,not being sarky,are you a project manager out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Why don't you want to expand in this country? Because its too difficult now, the domestic electrical trade has been flooded with unqualified domestic installers pricing everyone who is qualified out of jobs. There is no way for joe public to know the difference between qualified and a bloke who did a 3 day 17th edition course paid up to a part p scheme and calls the self qualified. As for expanding in industrial and commercial you need a lot of start up and more connections than I have. Apart from all that I don't want to live out my days in this country, never have. As for my N.I, its about £2.50 a week, I've not paid it yet I'm waiting till the end of the year to pay in bulk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Whats the connection there Wakey,are you saying/assuming most sparkies vote Labour but project managers vote tory? Just asking btw,not being sarky,are you a project manager out of interest? I asked because the posts he was making it is as if he wasn't happy being in a management role, as he was a regional project manager. It's a big change to go from a project manager to then learn a new trade and become a sparky, especially if he was a pm at such a young age, he obviously had some sort of potential. The way he says that the Torys are there to make the rich richer and that they love it with the way things are so they can drive prices down I just thought that aye that's the reason why he didnt want to be a pm and get back to what he thinks labour stand for, the workers. We all know its nt how it used to be. my company calls me a project manager, I do look after a few projects with a contracts manager. I do think the job titles and what the person actually does is very loose these days, not as defined I don't think as when I first started. Edited March 29, 2013 by wakeboard1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I asked because the posts he was making it is as if he wasn't happy being in a management role, as he was a regional project manager. It's a big change to go from a project manager to then learn a new trade and become a sparky, especially if he was a pm at such a young age, he obviously had some sort of potential. The way he says that the Torys are there to make the rich richer and that they love it with the way things are so they can drive prices down I just thought that aye that's the reason why he didnt want to be a pm and get back to what he thinks labour stand for, the workers. We all know its nt how it used to be. my company calls me a project manager, I do look after a few projects with a contracts manager. I do think the job titles and what the person actually does is very loose these days, not as defined I don't think as when I first started. No,i know that Wakey,but you said something along the lines of "why did you become a sparky,was it to get back to your labour roots",so that kind of infers most sparks vote Labour and most project managers vote tory,doesnt it? I just wondered if this is what you think,and if your a project manager yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Because its too difficult now, the domestic electrical trade has been flooded with unqualified domestic installers pricing everyone who is qualified out of jobs. There is no way for joe public to know the difference between qualified and a bloke who did a 3 day 17th edition course paid up to a part p scheme and calls the self qualified. As for expanding in industrial and commercial you need a lot of start up and more connections than I have. Apart from all that I don't want to live out my days in this country, never have. As for my N.I, its about £2.50 a week, I've not paid it yet I'm waiting till the end of the year to pay in bulk What makes you think that it will be any easier to expand anywhere else? What connections will you have that will be over and above what you currently and will have here. the N.I contributions for the self employed are a joke IMO. £2.50 a week, I thought it was that as I was talking to a bloke last year about it, just seeing if it was still the same. I don't understand how it can be such a little amount. Edited March 29, 2013 by wakeboard1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 No,i know that Wakey,but you said something along the lines of "why did you become a sparky,was it to get back to your labour roots",so that kind of infers most sparks vote Labour and most project managers vote tory,doesnt it?I just wondered if this is what you think,and if your a project manager yourself? It can infer what ever you want it to Pabs. He doesn't like working for a boss that makes money and becomes richer, a Tory voter I think he referred to people like that before. So going back on the tools from where he was is back to labours roots. That's who labour used to represent wasn't it? The guys on the tools? imo reading his posts and where he is going with his career it doesn't surprise me. Will be interesting o see when he expands and has a group of guys working for him what he then would think of him making money out of others working or him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Yes I was thinking the same, to start from scratch in Australia when things are getting tough is a big call. What makes you think that it will be any easier to expand anywhere else? What connections will you have lose where over and above what you currently and will have here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 What makes you think that it will be any easier to expand anywhere else? What connections will you have lose where over and above what you currently and will have here. the N.I contributions for the self employed are a joke IMO. £2.50 a week, I thought it was that as I was talking to a bloke last year about it, just seeing if it was still the same. I don't understand how it can be such a little amount. Because they then take a % of your rebate at the end of the year also. And as for connections I'll have as many in oz as I do here, I moved to Bristol 12 months ago and know nobody who can be used to get work really. Pand in Australia the trade isn't being de skilled, as much as people on here who are in oz say that the workmanship is crap etc at least people have to get qualified first before carrying out work meaning the prices won't be driven down by people doing a 6 week course and calling themselves a spark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 We have a qualified electrician do some stuff in our old place, mostly because he was just around the corner, he was crap. Totally by accident I found an old bloke, also qualified but 1000 times better. Qualifications dont make you good. I do most of it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Because they then take a % of your rebate at the end of the year also. And as for connections I'll have as many in oz as I do here, I moved to Bristol 12 months ago and know nobody who can be used to get work really. Pand in Australia the trade isn't being de skilled, as much as people on here who are in oz say that the workmanship is crap etc at least people have to get qualified first before carrying out work meaning the prices won't be driven down by people doing a 6 week course and calling themselves a spark. What rebate at the end of the year? have you looked at what you need to do to transfer your skills when you get to Aus, wouldn't want you complaining when you get there and not get paid as a spark there either. I wouldn't believe everything you read on here regarding workmanship, it's funny when things are done differently tat it's regarded as crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 It can infer what ever you want it to Pabs. He doesn't like working for a boss that makes money and becomes richer, a Tory voter I think he referred to people like that before. So going back on the tools from where he was is back to labours roots. That's who labour used to represent wasn't it? The guys on the tools? imo reading his posts and where he is going with his career it doesn't surprise me. Will be interesting o see when he expands and has a group of guys working for him what he then would think of him making money out of others working or him. My boss wasn't a Tory, the director of the company isn't really at all political, this company operates in the Middle East the owner is my best mates dad and my best mate is now a director, they gave me the opportunity by putting me on the rigs then I worked up. They saw this opportunity as a about so they expected me to work 100 hour weeks on a poor salary in comparison to others out there, I thought I was loaded as I was 21 all my bills, house car flights etc paid. I was working 24 hr shifts, I stayed on site for 42 hours once only having an hours kip in the car when I could. They were exploiting me and we started to argue and I valued my friendship more than my job, when I started to get really really Ill it got too much and the decision was made for me really. As for how I would feel about making money from other, well I'd pay proper wages and be a fair boss. If my boss is paying me what I feel I'm worth and he's loaded fair play to him, he's put the leg work in and got where he/she wants to be, if they're ripping me off and taking advantage of the current economy I have no respect for them. If I started up in oz I'd probably take on an apprentice who was a bit older maybe even disables who wants to re-train, give them the opportunity and chance that I never was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) It can infer what ever you want it to Pabs. He doesn't like working for a boss that makes money and becomes richer, a Tory voter I think he referred to people like that before. So going back on the tools from where he was is back to labours roots. That's who labour used to represent wasn't it? The guys on the tools? imo reading his posts and where he is going with his career it doesn't surprise me. Will be interesting o see when he expands and has a group of guys working for him what he then would think of him making money out of others working or him. No,its not me doing the inferring mate,that was you,assuming sparks have Labour roots,im not sure the majority have tbh,but i dont know obviously. The point im making is that in your way of thinking a project manager wouldnt be a Labour voter,but a spark would,thats all i can glean from your post tbh Who Labour "used to" represent, but who do they represent now?i dont think its that cut and dried anymore,the middle class vote is the election winner isnt it? Labour would be fools not to play up to them,so for me theres no socialists and tories anymore,the lines are too blurred now,but i will never be one who thinks the tories are the party for the majority,that will always be Labour in my eyes,despite the blurring of the lines Ive made money from lads working for me,i dont think that makes me a tory, i paid them a good amount,i made a good amount. I was paying my hod carrier £10 an hour back in 03 mate,plus a dropsy if we had a good week,and tbh i didnt really need him,ready mix mortar,telehandler on the job etc,but i cant remember Labour saying its not ok to earn big £ tbh,i done half decent under them anyway,until the GFC hit Edited March 29, 2013 by pablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) What rebate at the end of the year? have you looked at what you need to do to transfer your skills when you get to Aus, wouldn't want you complaining when you get there and not get paid as a spark there either. I wouldn't believe everything you read on here regarding workmanship, it's funny when things are done differently tat it's regarded as crap. Yeah I've already been looking through the process, it's long and not easy but that doesn't phase me one bit, I want to live in oz for more reasons than just work. I'm not afraid of a challenge and its going to be about 18 months before we even start trying to get over has we have many thousands to save before then, flights, cats over, removal, visa, skills transfer and 6 months living costs ill get a tax rebate, I have to pay CIS tax so I pay 20% across the lot, I claim back my expenses plus my personal allowance. Edited March 29, 2013 by Skyba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 We have a qualified electrician do some stuff in our old place, mostly because he was just around the corner, he was crap. Totally by accident I found an old bloke, also qualified but 1000 times better. Qualifications dont make you good. I do most of it myself. Was he qualified or was he a domestic installer?? They say they are qualified but they're not they can only work in houses and haven't been through any type of apprenticeship or on site assessment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Yeah I've already been looking through the process, it's long and not easy but that doesn't phase me one bit, I want to live in oz for more reasons than just work. I'm not afraid of a challenge and its going to be about 18 months before we even start trying to get over has we have many thousands to save before then, flights, cats over, removal, visa, skills transfer and 6 months living costs ill get a tax rebate, I have to pay CIS tax so I pay 20% across the lot, I claim back my expenses plus my personal allowance. Whats this rebate though? What's it got to do with the NICs at a rate of £2.50 a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Was he qualified or was he a domestic installer?? They say they are qualified but they're not they can only work in houses and haven't been through any type of apprenticeship or on site assessment I dont know, he had a normal Australian qualification, whether it was domestic or industrial I dont know but he was crap. A domestic installer is still qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 No,its not me doing the inferring mate,that was you,assuming sparks have Labour roots,im not sure the majority have tbh,but i dont know obviously.The point im making is that in your way of thinking a project manager wouldnt be a Labour voter,but a spark would,thats all i can glean from your post tbh Who Labour "used to" represent, but who do they represent now?i dont think its that cut and dried anymore,the middle class vote is the election winner isnt it? Labour would be fools not to play up to them,so for me theres no socialists and tories anymore,the lines are too blurred now,but i will never be one who thinks the tories are the party for the majority,that will always be Labour in my eyes,despite the blurring of the lines Ive made money from lads working for me,i dont think that makes me a tory, i paid them a good amount,i made a good amount. I was paying my hod carrier £10 an hour back in 03 mate,plus a dropsy if we had a good week,and tbh i didnt really need him,ready mix mortar,telehandler on the job etc,but i cant remember Labour saying its not ok to earn big £ tbh,i done ok under them anyway,until the GFC hit A project manager could be a labour voter for all I know, I never said they wouldn't be. The way the posts were going its the bosses (owners etc) tat would be the Tory voters. The ones that are supposedly making all this money because of he cheap labour hey can get. It's happening on his site now due to this government not investing and so man people going or the one job. you are right that it's not cut and dried anymore, and you are right, labour will play up to the ones who they think they can get votes from, even if it means going against what they once stood for. I know things evolve but they are all career politicians now and are as bad as one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 A project manager could be a labour voter for all I know, I never said they wouldn't be. The way the posts were going its the bosses (owners etc) tat would be the Tory voters. The ones that are supposedly making all this money because of he cheap labour hey can get. It's happening on his site now due to this government not investing and so man people going or the one job. you are right that it's not cut and dried anymore, and you are right, labour will play up to the ones who they think they can get votes from, even if it means going against what they once stood for. I know things evolve but they are all career politicians now and are as bad as one another. Alright Wakey,i'll leave it there,but like i say,the inference from your post (to me) was that sparks vote Labour,PM's vote tory,i dont think yer can blame me for drawing that conclusion. Yes Labour will play to the electorate for votes,but so does every party dont they? No,theyre not all as bad as each other,one party "still"(despite their failings)care more about public services,Hospitals,walk in centres,medical centres etc than the other,to "my" mind,thats Labour,others are welcome to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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