Transporting your car to Oz - everything you need to know!

[grainne73]

Hi Ironchef

 

We want to take our BMW 1150gs Adventurer motorbike with us to Oz when we go later this year.. Is it the same procedure for a bike as it is for a car or easier/harder? I have read through all 20 pages but cant find any info on bikes.....or did i miss some?

 

great post by the way!

 

thanks

grainne

[Guest StuartAnja]

Hi,

 

Has anyone got an idea of the total cost?

 

We are thinking of bringing our VW Transporter and I can get quoted for shipping but cant seen to get any quotes for fumigation or re-registration!

 

Thanks for a very usefull post,

 

Anja

[paddygunner]

Hi all

 

Just wondering if you can help...we are looking to bring our 2 cars with us to Perth and we are a bit confused with the documents that we have to put with it....to obtain the 100 points, we need to show that my oh has resigned from his job which isn't a problem because he is self employed and we just want to check that if we got a letter from his accountant to certify that he will be ceasing trading on certain date due to emigrating to Austrlia, will this suffice???

 

Also, in relation to cancelling our rental agreement, how do we show that we have done this? Would a letter from our landlord suffice??

 

Also, because we are now just waiting to hear about our visa, can we still send off the form? Our Agent advised that it should be any day now that we hear as we submitted the last piece of document to our Case officer just over 2 weeks ago.

 

So am I right in saying that because we are still in our home country (which is Ireland)that the documents we provide are as follows:

 

Completed application form

Application fee

Registration documents

Proof of purchase

Receipts of any work done?

Copy of passorts

Copy of drivers licence

Letter from accountant re. ceasing trading

Rental Cancellation Agreement

 

I also have emails from schools that I emailed off regarding schools for my children, could I put these in also? And also, we have emails from Australian banks about opening up australian accounts, do we need to put these in?

 

I am a bit confused because if you are still in your home country, how are you supposed to prove that you have a tax file number, medicare etc.

 

Can anybody confirm, that we need to provide any other documents in our application please.

 

Many thanks

Confused Sue :eek:

x

 

 

Sue

I just got my import approval- I initially did not send over landlord cancellation or employment resignation leter.

They emailed me requesting both which I duly sent off and I received import approval 2 weeks later.

 

So it is possile to meet 100 points whill still in uk/Ireland.

[Guest Sue1203]

Hi ya

 

Many thanks...do you know if you can email your application form off or do you have to post it?

 

Cheers

Sue

 

 

 

QUOTE=paddygunner;1054041]Sue

I just got my import approval- I initially did not send over landlord cancellation or employment resignation leter.

They emailed me requesting both which I duly sent off and I received import approval 2 weeks later.

 

So it is possile to meet 100 points whill still in uk/Ireland.

[paddygunner]

i emailed a pdf file of application form

[yumimumi]

hi there

 

we have a 2004 reg subaru impreza sti wr1 limited edition(one of only 500 ever made in uk) this is the fastest one that was ever made. i have read through all of these posts and see that you mention something about it being worth shipping it over.

 

we have owned the car for 2 years. it has low mileage.

 

can u give me your honest opinion whether you think we should take it over. and price it up for us please, all costs involved.

 

cheers

[Guest Yodaiswise]

Hi Iron Chef, would appreciate your advice.

 

I own a Suzuki GSXR1000K5 race bike - it has no UK V5 as it is a race bike. It's probably worth around £3K

 

I believe that bikes carry a premium in Oz so would rather keep the bike than pay a fortune to replace it. However, will I still need to pay the duties that you mention?

 

cheers

[Guest Donnick]

Hi,

 

I want to import my BMW to Australia when we eventually go next Jan/feb . Is it possible to get a container, put the car in then fill it up with our personal stuff? then get the container collected to export? we also have a van which we would like to take, does anyone know if the rules on vans are the same as a car?

[Guest Donnick]

:spinny:

Hi,

 

I want to import my BMW to Australia when we eventually go next Jan/feb . Is it possible to get a container, put the car in then fill it up with our personal stuff? then get the container collected to export? we also have a van which we would like to take, does anyone know if the rules on vans are the same as a car?

 

Sorry, this is my very first post, I am very excited as we have received our visa - now there is soo much to organise, my head is spinning!!

 

Any help on this would be very much appreciated.

 

Many Thanks

[Av8r]

Hi Ironchef

 

Great thread, very helpful.

 

My wife is Australian and we are currently living in the UK. We're planning to move to Australia next year, and are now looking to buy a couple of cars to take with us.

 

A few questions....

 

1. We're planning to buy cars, ideally near the bottom of the depreciation cycle, and garage them for a year, only driving occasionally when the weather is nice, etc. Is it a problem if the mileage doesn't increase much during the 12 months of ownership?

 

2. What level of discount upon eventual resale is typically applied to imported 'grey market' cars versus original imports for luxury/sports brands? The cars we're looking at are those with a significant differential between AUS and UK prices, and often close to the bottom of the depreciation cycle. For example, 1988 to 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo, 1950's vintage Bentley S1, etc. Also possibly newer cars, such as 1999 to 2003 Bentley Arnage or the usual BMW/Merc/Audi suspects, but realise there is a bigger risk of depreciation to add to the currency fluctuation risk in the year we hold it prior to shipping.

 

3. Is it possible to bring anything else, such as motorbikes or boats? Is the limit one car per person or one vehicle per person?

 

4. When shipping, is a RoRo or container the better/cheaper idea and is it possible to load up other items either in the container or car?

 

5. The rough idea at this point is to take a 'dream car' each, picking in general terms what we can find the biggest price variance on, and either sell one to cover almost all the costs of both or hold both for a number of years to enjoy limited depreciation motoring. Is it possible to to get this to stack up financially, or do we find in real life it doesn't tend to work that way due to import costs and the discounted resale value for imports?

 

Also can your company handle all the paperwork and process for personal imports, is there a difference in import taxes applied with various ages of car, and is it prohibitively expensive to get these types of cars certified once in Australia?

 

Many thanks.

[Av8r]

Hi again Iron Chef

 

Apologies, but have now read the thread in full so please ignore the shipping question re RoRo/Container above.

 

Like to replace it with the following though....

 

If you were to take a punt on which car to buy and import a year later purely for financial benefit... Or on the basis you couldn't afford to buy one there as a mere mortal....

 

What would be your thoughts on the following please?

 

1. BMW 745 2002-2005, BMW X5 or Z4 2003-2005

 

2. Bentley Arnage 2000 - 2003, vintage Rolls or Bentley 1950's to 1960's

 

3. Audi A8/S8 series, Audi A5 series

 

4. Porsche 911, earlier Turbo or later model convertible

 

Or anything else where you see an opportunity for arbitrage with a UK purchase price of between £10K and £35K?

[Carling]

Hi, the scenario............

 

I am a PR resident in Australia, i am a citizen in the UK, i am planning on returning back to Australia in 18 months time, i have lived there before for 12 months, and have been back here in the UK for the Past 18 months.

 

I have £100k to spend on a car here in the UK, i want to exchange the cash into Australian dollars, but at the current exchange rate, well it will cripple me as my spending power in Australia will be terrible. I am going to buy a car, store it for 12 months, or buy a car and backdate the ownership date 12 months on purchasing the car, so a prerequisite on buying the car will be the seller must agree to back date the purchase date by 12 months. Will this be a problem in any way?

 

I have £100k to spend on a german model below, any recommendations for maximum profit when i sell in Australia.

 

1. BMW

 

2. Mercedes

 

3. Porsche

 

Or any advice on a maximum profit value car up to £100k.

 

On arriving in Australia with my car, can i sell it straight away, or do i have to keep it for a period of time before i can sell it? I am heading to Queensland, will register it in Queensland, and ship it to Brisbane.

 

Any advice appreciated, i am basically preserving the value of my Sterling by purchasing an assett in Sterling, shipping it to Australia, and exchanging the assett into Australian dollars so to maximise the exchange rate through assett value appreciation in Australia but also nominal assett cuurency value.

 

Cheers Carling Black Label.

[Guest Cat and James Rix]

Hi Iron Chef,

 

I've read through all the posts and I can't seem to find anything that helps specifically with our situation, so hopefully you can provide some clarity.

 

This is our situation:

 

We are migrating to Australia, by way of riding our KTM 990 Adventure S motorbike all the way!

 

My husband also has a honda fireblade 1000 rr motorbike that he bought in November 2010.

 

We will probably arrive in Australia in approximately July 2012, so we will have owned both bikes for over 12 months.

 

However, the fireblade will have been in storage since June 2011. That's only 8 months of personal use, even though no-one else will have use of it for the rest of the time, so does that still count towards the 12 months rule?

 

We also want to import the KTM, so we are NOT getting a carnet for Australia. Is it easy enough to go through the import procedure in somewhere like Thailand?

 

Also, the Fireblade has a personal number plate - will we be able to import that as its plate, or will it get a new one when registered in oz?

 

Looking forward to your response!

 

Many thanks,

Cat

[Iron Chef]

My apologies everyone! I must've accidentally deleted a notification that there were more replies in this thread, and hadn't checked back in here for a while! I'll work through all of the unanswered messages now.

 

So....I could get it out of the UK and in Aust for around $3500?

 

Yes.

 

How do you find out if the Peugeot 307 fits in the with ADR (Australian Design Rules)?

 

The 307 should meet almost all ADRs, you may possibly need to do child restraint hooks and if your car has HID headlights, just make sure it has some kind of cleaning/washing system (Euro cars are pretty good for this, it's Japanese cars that give me headaches!).

 

Hi all

 

Just wondering if you can help...we are looking to bring our 2 cars with us to Perth and we are a bit confused with the documents that we have to put with it....to obtain the 100 points, we need to show that my oh has resigned from his job which isn't a problem because he is self employed and we just want to check that if we got a letter from his accountant to certify that he will be ceasing trading on certain date due to emigrating to Austrlia, will this suffice???

 

Also, in relation to cancelling our rental agreement, how do we show that we have done this? Would a letter from our landlord suffice??

 

Also, because we are now just waiting to hear about our visa, can we still send off the form? Our Agent advised that it should be any day now that we hear as we submitted the last piece of document to our Case officer just over 2 weeks ago.

 

So am I right in saying that because we are still in our home country (which is Ireland)that the documents we provide are as follows:

 

Completed application form

Application fee

Registration documents

Proof of purchase

Receipts of any work done?

Copy of passorts

Copy of drivers licence

Letter from accountant re. ceasing trading

Rental Cancellation Agreement

 

I also have emails from schools that I emailed off regarding schools for my children, could I put these in also? And also, we have emails from Australian banks about opening up australian accounts, do we need to put these in?

 

I am a bit confused because if you are still in your home country, how are you supposed to prove that you have a tax file number, medicare etc.

 

Can anybody confirm, that we need to provide any other documents in our application please.

 

Many thanks

Confused Sue :eek:

x

 

They do make allowances for your circumstances - i.e. if you haven't left the UK it's a bit hard to supply some information! You should be fine with what you've listed there - if they need more info, they'll ask

 

Hi Ironchef

 

We want to take our BMW 1150gs Adventurer motorbike with us to Oz when we go later this year.. Is it the same procedure for a bike as it is for a car or easier/harder? I have read through all 20 pages but cant find any info on bikes.....or did i miss some?

 

great post by the way!

 

thanks

grainne

 

Hi Grainne - yes the procedure is exactly the same, and the paperwork is all the same too. The big advantage is you don't have to do much (if anything) in the way of modifications for registration.

 

Hi,

 

Has anyone got an idea of the total cost?

 

We are thinking of bringing our VW Transporter and I can get quoted for shipping but cant seen to get any quotes for fumigation or re-registration!

 

Thanks for a very usefull post,

 

Anja

 

Hi Anja - fire me an email and I can sort you out a quote via RO-RO (kristian @ ironchefimports.com).

 

Fumigation is generally around the 300-400AUD mark and is usually done either at the docks or by the shipping company. It varies depending on which company is used. Bear in mind Australian Quarantine do reserve the right to have it re-cleaned if they still deem it a quarantine risk.

 

Registration costs will vary from state to state, as each state has its own requirements for the work needed to be done before it can be registered. This is one of many systems that is supposed to be streamlined to a national set-up in future years, I'm looking forward to it!

 

 

Hi ya

 

Many thanks...do you know if you can email your application form off or do you have to post it?

 

Cheers

Sue

 

 

 

DIT don't make it well known but they DO accept applications via email - their address is vimports @ infrastructure.gov.au (they have a number of different email addresses, that is the most effective one). You should get a confirmation email if you've done it correctly.

 

hi there

 

we have a 2004 reg subaru impreza sti wr1 limited edition(one of only 500 ever made in uk) this is the fastest one that was ever made. i have read through all of these posts and see that you mention something about it being worth shipping it over.

 

we have owned the car for 2 years. it has low mileage.

 

can u give me your honest opinion whether you think we should take it over. and price it up for us please, all costs involved.

 

cheers

 

Shoot me an email, but yes, most definitely worth bringing it over to Australia. Could be a nice earner

 

Hi Iron Chef, would appreciate your advice.

 

I own a Suzuki GSXR1000K5 race bike - it has no UK V5 as it is a race bike. It's probably worth around £3K

 

I believe that bikes carry a premium in Oz so would rather keep the bike than pay a fortune to replace it. However, will I still need to pay the duties that you mention?

 

cheers

 

Yes you will - everything gets hit with duty and GST when it arrives, there's no way around that one, regardless of how it's imported.

 

As long as you have evidence that you've owned it for more than 12 months you should be fine, although it might also be worth looking into importing it as a race/rally vehicle. Best to contact DIT about that first, might save you having to amass a heap of paperwork.

 

Hi,

 

I want to import my BMW to Australia when we eventually go next Jan/feb . Is it possible to get a container, put the car in then fill it up with our personal stuff? then get the container collected to export? we also have a van which we would like to take, does anyone know if the rules on vans are the same as a car?

 

Yes it's possible to pack it into a container with your personal effects, although for obvious reasons, it would be wise to pack the other stuff around the car very carefully. The rules on vans are the same as cars.

[Iron Chef]

Hi again Iron Chef

 

Apologies, but have now read the thread in full so please ignore the shipping question re RoRo/Container above.

 

Like to replace it with the following though....

 

If you were to take a punt on which car to buy and import a year later purely for financial benefit... Or on the basis you couldn't afford to buy one there as a mere mortal....

 

What would be your thoughts on the following please?

 

1. BMW 745 2002-2005, BMW X5 or Z4 2003-2005

 

2. Bentley Arnage 2000 - 2003, vintage Rolls or Bentley 1950's to 1960's

 

3. Audi A8/S8 series, Audi A5 series

 

4. Porsche 911, earlier Turbo or later model convertible

 

Or anything else where you see an opportunity for arbitrage with a UK purchase price of between £10K and £35K?

 

1. 7 series of that era has a face only a mother could love, 5 series is a much safer bet. If you got a Z4, make sure it is at least a 3.0 litre six or Z4 M. Always choose the best variant you can, with the biggest motor.

 

2. Arnage is probably worth a look, avoid a vintage one like the plague

 

3. I personally love the A8 but they're not a big seller here in Oz, A5 is worth a look, but see earlier advice re engines.

 

4. Always a safe bet. Can't go wrong with an RS, GT-3 etc. Avoid the cabriolet.

 

As for other cars, Escort RS Cossie, Mitsubishi Evo FQ400, Renaultsport Clio (the V6 one), even TVRs do reasonably well here. If you're really game, a Lotus Carlton hehe. Basically, pick a car that we can't get here, or a variant that we don't get here.

 

With everything, compare the price in the UK with the Red Book value in Australia, that's the safest way of ensuring you get a good investment.

[Carling]

Hi, the scenario............

 

On arriving in Australia with my car, can i sell it straight away, or do i have to keep it for a period of time before i can sell it? I am heading to Queensland, will register it in Queensland, and ship it to Brisbane.

 

Cheers Carling Black Label.

 

Had an email back from the importing people in Australia, the national authority who i suppose regulates the importation of cars for personal use; you can basically sell the car straight away, there is no time limit on owning the vehicle prior to sale after arriving in Australia.

[Carlos fandango]

Hi Iron Chef

 

I have sent you a PM. if you coulod get back to me..

 

Cheers

 

Carlos

[Guest MarkieMark]

Hi Iron Chef, I am coming over on a 457 temporary visa for 4 years, am I able to import my car fully, or do I have to re-export it after 12 months, it's really unclear on the website. My intention is to ship in my Porsche Boxster with the aim of selling it immediately to buy something more family orientated? Also can I apply to ship before my visa arrives so that the documentation is ready?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Tiamilo]

Hi,

 

We are hopefully moving out in December and were thinking of importing the car too. The problem we have is that the car was purchased in my husbands name but the car is registered in mine. We both use the car and have had it for over twelve months but the fact that the names are different on the paperwork would cause a problem! Is this correct?

Thanks.

[JoandJon]

Hi Iron Chef, at the risk of repeating what everyone else has said - I am so pleased I finally found this thread!

We're hoping to move to Melbourne in the next 4-5 months, and my husband Jon and I are currently having a rather spirited debate about whether we should take our car.

We have a 2004 (54 plate) Audi A6 estate, TDI 1.9L, 6spd manual, with all the mod cons (air con, cruise, full leather seats, built in blue tooth, sat nav, etc etc etc). But is it's done ~110,000 miles.

We bought it for just over £7,500, and I think we'd probably only get £5-6k for it here if we sold.

 

With the rubbish value of the pound at the moment, he's on the verge of talking me around

 

Cheers

[Iron Chef]

Note that it's 1:16am Adelaide time!! The things I do...

 

Hi, the scenario............

 

I am a PR resident in Australia, i am a citizen in the UK, i am planning on returning back to Australia in 18 months time, i have lived there before for 12 months, and have been back here in the UK for the Past 18 months.

 

I have £100k to spend on a car here in the UK, i want to exchange the cash into Australian dollars, but at the current exchange rate, well it will cripple me as my spending power in Australia will be terrible. I am going to buy a car, store it for 12 months, or buy a car and backdate the ownership date 12 months on purchasing the car, so a prerequisite on buying the car will be the seller must agree to back date the purchase date by 12 months. Will this be a problem in any way?

 

I have £100k to spend on a german model below, any recommendations for maximum profit when i sell in Australia.

 

1. BMW

 

2. Mercedes

 

3. Porsche

 

Or any advice on a maximum profit value car up to £100k.

 

On arriving in Australia with my car, can i sell it straight away, or do i have to keep it for a period of time before i can sell it? I am heading to Queensland, will register it in Queensland, and ship it to Brisbane.

 

Any advice appreciated, i am basically preserving the value of my Sterling by purchasing an assett in Sterling, shipping it to Australia, and exchanging the assett into Australian dollars so to maximise the exchange rate through assett value appreciation in Australia but also nominal assett cuurency value.

 

Cheers Carling Black Label.

 

Ok I'll try and answer in the order you wrote everything!

 

The purpose of the legislation is to allow ex-pats or permanent residents to bring the cars they were using overseas into Australia if they intend to move here permanently. If you stick the car in a garage for 12 months and can't prove you used it, you're gonna strike problems with getting an import approval. As for backdating invoices, I've heard of it being done, in the end you can make that decision for yourself, but if you still have more than 12 months left before you come to Oz, I don't think it's a risk worth taking, especially on a top-end car. Buy the car, use it sparingly, keep it registered, service it regularly and you should be fine.

 

At the top end of the market, things get fairly speculative. I still think Porsches are probably the safest propositions. Any rare European-only variant (in RHD) of a GT-3 RS or similar would be better than most. Even things like late model Rolls-Royce or Bentley is worth looking at. My suggestion would be to scour the market in the UK then check the values in Oz on http://www.redbook.com.au and see which one can be bought low and sold high.

 

Disclaimer: I'm happy to give advice, but think of me as an unqualified financial adviser - don't come back to me later on if your investment doesn't bring the returns you'd hoped!

 

 

 

Hi Iron Chef,

 

I've read through all the posts and I can't seem to find anything that helps specifically with our situation, so hopefully you can provide some clarity.

 

This is our situation:

 

We are migrating to Australia, by way of riding our KTM 990 Adventure S motorbike all the way!

 

My husband also has a honda fireblade 1000 rr motorbike that he bought in November 2010.

 

We will probably arrive in Australia in approximately July 2012, so we will have owned both bikes for over 12 months.

 

However, the fireblade will have been in storage since June 2011. That's only 8 months of personal use, even though no-one else will have use of it for the rest of the time, so does that still count towards the 12 months rule?

 

We also want to import the KTM, so we are NOT getting a carnet for Australia. Is it easy enough to go through the import procedure in somewhere like Thailand?

 

Also, the Fireblade has a personal number plate - will we be able to import that as its plate, or will it get a new one when registered in oz?

 

Looking forward to your response!

 

Many thanks,

Cat

 

Hi Cat, the whole carnet thing throws up an interesting can of worms. Theoretically, you're still owning and using your vehicle while riding it overseas, so the time spent overseas with your bike SHOULD count towards your 12 months of ownership. Working on this theory, your KTM should be eligible as a personal import. I would check with DIT on this first though to make sure they see it the same way I do. Bringing it over from Thailand won't be a problem.

 

Based on the info you've supplied, the Fireblade won't be eligible as a personal import. You have to own AND use it for 12 months - it's a bit hard to claim you were using the Fireblade if you weren't in the same country

 

Hi Iron Chef, I am coming over on a 457 temporary visa for 4 years, am I able to import my car fully, or do I have to re-export it after 12 months, it's really unclear on the website. My intention is to ship in my Porsche Boxster with the aim of selling it immediately to buy something more family orientated? Also can I apply to ship before my visa arrives so that the documentation is ready?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

DIT allows personal imports under the 457 visa scheme, so you can import the car permanently and sell it off whenever you like. You will need to have your visa before you can apply for import approval.

 

Hi,

 

We are hopefully moving out in December and were thinking of importing the car too. The problem we have is that the car was purchased in my husbands name but the car is registered in mine. We both use the car and have had it for over twelve months but the fact that the names are different on the paperwork would cause a problem! Is this correct?

Thanks.

 

Ultimately it's the DIT's decision, but when it's a husband/wife scenario they will normally still let it through if you can demonstrate that you've been driving it (presuming you'll be applying for the import approval). Rego papers are good evidence.

 

Hi Iron Chef, at the risk of repeating what everyone else has said - I am so pleased I finally found this thread!

We're hoping to move to Melbourne in the next 4-5 months, and my husband Jon and I are currently having a rather spirited debate about whether we should take our car.

We have a 2004 (54 plate) Audi A6 estate, TDI 1.9L, 6spd manual, with all the mod cons (air con, cruise, full leather seats, built in blue tooth, sat nav, etc etc etc). But is it's done ~110,000 miles.

We bought it for just over £7,500, and I think we'd probably only get £5-6k for it here if we sold.

 

With the rubbish value of the pound at the moment, he's on the verge of talking me around

 

Cheers

 

Hi guys, if you really like the car and want to keep using it, then its worth bringing over. You'll almost certainly get more for it here than you will in the UK then the time comes to sell.

 

Just an interesting side note on odometers: if your speedometer reads in miles only, it will need to be changed for a km/h speedo - if it has both markings, that's generally accepted here.

 

Your odometer, if it is reading in miles, needs to have the gearing changed so that it starts recording distance travelled in kms before it can be registered. In 99% of cases though, the actual reading on your odometer isn't adjusted before this happens, so your 110,000 MILE Audi becomes a 110,000 KM Audi....interesting hey?

[JoandJon]

Thanks Chef - even if it does mean I've lost the argument, the car is comfy and drives like a dream.

 

Speedo's in both so that's fine, but interesting about the odometer - could be a result

 

Cheers!

[paulswin]

Hi guys! If we take our car to Oz but decided not to stay and we bought it back would we still have all the import fees to pay again??

[Guest Cat and James Rix]

Thanks Iron Chef,

 

i appreciate your reply - but my husband is going to flip when he realises he probably cant bring his "baby" to oz - he's spent so much money on it!

 

Is there a way around it, if I import the KTM under myname, and he imports the fireblade, but he can prove that he owned it, it was in storage, no-one else was using it? Do they sometimes give lee-way in this situation?

 

Also, do you know if we can retain our personal number plates to use in Oz?

 

Thanks,

Cat

[ghost]

Thanks Iron Chef,

 

i appreciate your reply - but my husband is going to flip when he realises he probably cant bring his "baby" to oz - he's spent so much money on it!

 

Is there a way around it, if I import the KTM under myname, and he imports the fireblade, but he can prove that he owned it, it was in storage, no-one else was using it? Do they sometimes give lee-way in this situation?

 

Also, do you know if we can retain our personal number plates to use in Oz?

 

Thanks,

Cat

 

IVe got the same Dilemma two custom bikes that I love dearly. I think you have to have the motorcycle license and have had the bike in your name for the 12 months prior to emigrating, to be able to take it. I think theres even an issue with bike trailers, so im goingto have to sell that too :arghh:.

 

I will cry when I sell one.