IT Occupations and the new SOL

[Guest twosouls]

Aloha Pixie..

To be honest, just a CV won't do the trick.. It's best to come out for a visit/holiday for a couple of weeks, if not a month and scout around the city..

Everything I did in the way of a CV didn't work in the beginning because I was an outsider.. That changes when people get to know you.. If you can talk the talk, they will look at sponsoring someone straight away..

I have to say though, that last 457 I did for the current job I'm in, Immigration was a real pain in the ass about it all.. They were making it quite difficult for the business to sponsor me into the country.. It finally happened, but it was like pulling teeth..

 

Gary

[musmanasghar]

Aloha group..

I've stayed off of this site for the past six months or so.. Every time I come back there is more bad news, or something has changed again!!

In these past eight pages I have tried to read the posts to see where I stand with my ACS coding.. I ended up getting ACS approval and "labeled" back in August of 09 (ASCO code given was 2231-11)... I also managed to get NSW sponsorship under my ASCO code.. I am here on a 457 visa at the moment working for an IT company and I have a 176 application in with Immigration.. I put the application into Immi in Sept of 09 after I got state sponsorship..

 

The question I have, is do I need to do anything, or do I sit back and hope that my application gets approved some year?

Sorry if someone has asked this already, but I didn't see it in this topic of the forum..

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated..

Aloha for now

Gary

 

Hi Gary

 

I am also System Manager 2231-11, got my SS of ACT on same day as u got in 09/09/09 ..... i am also searching for same answers ... i think if 2231-79 will be included in new SMP of ACT (for me) and SMP of NSW (for you) then there might be a chance that we will move to priority processing GRoup 2 .... else i dont know

Good luck

[mdesai11]

Am I the only one thats confused?...

 

Please can someone advise if I am affected with a possible reassessment with ACS? I was successfully skills assessed by ACS in April 2009 with the ASCO code 2231-79 - Computing Professional (NEC). I lodged my 175 visa application in May 2009 and thought it would be as easy as sitting back and waiting for the visa to come through.

 

Having read this post, I am not sure whether I need to get a reassessment done.

 

I am not a recent graduate. I graduated in 1998. I have worked in IT for 12 years.

 

Please can somebody help?

 

Thanks.

[Lenore]

Am I the only one thats confused?...

 

Please can someone advise if I am affected with a possible reassessment with ACS? I was successfully skills assessed by ACS in April 2009 with the ASCO code 2231-79 - Computing Professional (NEC). I lodged my 175 visa application in May 2009 and thought it would be as easy as sitting back and waiting for the visa to come through.

 

Having read this post, I am not sure whether I need to get a reassessment done.

 

I am not a recent graduate. I graduated in 1998. I have worked in IT for 12 years.

 

Please can somebody help?

 

Thanks.

 

Hi, I think you are not in a bad situation, because if you lodged for a visa before changes, you can still change 175 to 176. Just wait for publishing State Migration Plans, maybe one state will have an ANZSCO code that can be mapped from your ASCO code. Then you don't need reassessment - I assume your ACS code hasn't expired.

There was some confusion with -79 code as it maps to a couple of jobs. I tried to confirm it with DIAC (if -79 can be mapped, or it HAD TO be reassessed) and they didn't reply to my question, they just sent me links to their site and ASCO-ANZSCO transformation... I assume it's OK to map according to their document.

 

I'm really hoping DIAC does something about unfortunate -79 code. I don't understand how it is possible, that eg .NET programmers (or other specialised professionals within that code) are not mapped to Developer Programmer. Maybe -79 people should make complaints, because I bet that given a chance,most of them would get Schedule 3 either Dev Programmer or Software Engineer assessment easily. Still, they were pushed to Schedule 4 even though they were on Critical Skills List. There is something very wrong about it! And the only explanation is getting rid of the biggest part of IT applicants, as -79 code was very popular - everybody wanted to be on CSL.

Many -79 code applicants were pushed to low priority and how come law works backwards - when they were lodging their visas, they were on CSL = high priority!. Some of them still have a chance to get on SMP. Those who haven't applied yet will go for new ACS assessments (and pay again), which after releasing SMPs will take a couple of months. This means prob no chance to apply for a visa this year, and next year, who knows, cancel your visa-whenever-we-fancy regulations will come into life?

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's not easy to comprehend all that mess. I'm really sorry for all -79 guys who now have problems. I am among those who (luckily?) didn't lodge for a visa and are losing time since June (when we were ready to lodge for a visa) until - most probably - next year. And we started preparing documents in September 2009, February changes slowed us down a bit...

At the moment, I'm afraid that applying for Oz visas is hell, even after you lodge you never know what happens next. I wish they would understand that they are messing with many people's lives and make them waste their time and money on papers that can be worthless any time. :mad:

[Guest stewilliamson]

and ENS is just so unachievable for most.

 

How come? I'm going for an ENS and it seems fairly straightforward. Unless you mean the fact that it helps to have been working with the nominating employer for a couple of years.

[Guest tyasawa]

How come? I'm going for an ENS and it seems fairly straightforward. Unless you mean the fact that it helps to have been working with the nominating employer for a couple of years.

 

Good for you.

 

I talked about ex students. Getting 65K wages is not easy. Who would want to employ fresh graduate for 65K? I feel like I'm pretty lucky just to able to get a job. It is really hard to get full time job with bridging visa. The employers are scared we can suddenly rejected and kicked out of the country, which is I understand now given how unpredictable the situation is.

 

Not all employers are willing and eligible for ENS. Rather than going to all that trouble I think most will think it would be easier to get local workers. My boyfriend wages is now eligible for ENS, but not all of us are that lucky tho. He's only been working for 2 years. For ENS he has to work for another year before he's eligible. He thinks speaking about ENS to his employee will only scares them away. His ex boss that understands about the whole immigration stuff is not working anymore. The only ones left are uninformed Australian He said he don't think his boss aware that he is on bridging visa now.

 

It is good that it is easy for you, but do not assume that it is gonna be easy for everybody else

[Guest Manj]

Good for you.

 

I talked about ex students. Getting 65K wages is not easy. Who would want to employ fresh graduate for 65K? I feel like I'm pretty lucky just to able to get a job. It is really hard to get full time job with bridging visa. The employers are scared we can suddenly rejected and kicked out of the country, which is I understand now given how unpredictable the situation is.

 

Not all employers are willing and eligible for ENS. Rather than going to all that trouble I think most will think it would be easier to get local workers. My boyfriend wages is now eligible for ENS, but not all of us are that lucky tho. He's only been working for 2 years. For ENS he has to work for another year before he's eligible. He thinks speaking about ENS to his employee will only scares them away. His ex boss that understands about the whole immigration stuff is not working anymore. The only ones left are uninformed Australian He said he don't think his boss aware that he is on bridging visa now.

 

It is good that it is easy for you, but do not assume that it is gonna be easy for everybody else

 

 

Very True Tyasawa,

 

Hve a look at the Hudson Website, it states the recent graduate salary across all states..it's nowhere near 65k I shold say. An IT professional with -3 years work exp. gain get a 65k salary enabling them to go for a ENS but for recent graduates it's just not achievable unless he/she has prev. ICT experience. :cute:

DIAC should also consider the different salary scales between Not fo Profit, Government and Commerical Sector.....there are significant differences

 

DIAC without proper research has just come up with salary figures, I say

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CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer

[Guest zzzsianzzz]

Good for you.

 

I talked about ex students. Getting 65K wages is not easy. Who would want to employ fresh graduate for 65K? I feel like I'm pretty lucky just to able to get a job. It is really hard to get full time job with bridging visa. The employers are scared we can suddenly rejected and kicked out of the country, which is I understand now given how unpredictable the situation is.

 

Not all employers are willing and eligible for ENS. Rather than going to all that trouble I think most will think it would be easier to get local workers. My boyfriend wages is now eligible for ENS, but not all of us are that lucky tho. He's only been working for 2 years. For ENS he has to work for another year before he's eligible. He thinks speaking about ENS to his employee will only scares them away. His ex boss that understands about the whole immigration stuff is not working anymore. The only ones left are uninformed Australian He said he don't think his boss aware that he is on bridging visa now.

 

It is good that it is easy for you, but do not assume that it is gonna be easy for everybody else

 

 

yeap... most locals have no clue what immigration is all about as they do not have the need to understand them. Even HR doesn't know that, they only check whether you're eligible to work but doesnt know a thing about what types of visa and whether your visa is permanent or temporary.

 

I agree with tyasawa's point, but everything has its risk. I guess its like going to a casino, everyone hopes to win, but there will be some left with lesser cash than they went in. I guess the worst thing is they kick you out of the organization, or they help u somehow. the next government might kick people out of the country too anyway someday if you're still on the waiting list once cap-and-cease is back or if backlog is tremendous and increasing at high volumes/they have all those people they require and they feel that its time to let some go like those offshore CnC applicants.. :goofy:

[Guest zzzsianzzz]

How come? I'm going for an ENS and it seems fairly straightforward. Unless you mean the fact that it helps to have been working with the nominating employer for a couple of years.

 

thats good to hear but it depends on your current work location and state. If you're facing lots of competitions in NSW or VIC, i guess its a different playing field altogether as they can hire someone who doesn't have bridging visa with PR and train them to replace the one with bridging visa. why go through the hassle and costs when I can hire someone who has those requirements on the street?:eek:

[Guest suvuka]

Hi there,

 

We are new to this forum and very confused. We had a successful assessment with ACS for Computing Professional - UNIX specialist which is obviously no longer on the new SOL and were told to get re-assessed by ACS as we qualify for the free assessment and our agent just sent off our form as the deadline was the 13th of August and put us down as wanting to be a Systems Analyst. What are the chances they will even consider that as we didn't even send any extra information just the old original assessment letter. Anyone else a 2231-79 Unix specialist in same position and applied for re-assessment or been advised to do anything? We actually really want to move to Brisbane as family are over there but not sure of the chances of being on the State Migration plan for Queensland - and advice appreciated! thanks

[User Name]

Hi there,

 

We are new to this forum and very confused. We had a successful assessment with ACS for Computing Professional - UNIX specialist which is obviously no longer on the new SOL and were told to get re-assessed by ACS as we qualify for the free assessment and our agent just sent off our form as the deadline was the 13th of August and put us down as wanting to be a Systems Analyst. What are the chances they will even consider that as we didn't even send any extra information just the old original assessment letter. Anyone else a 2231-79 Unix specialist in same position and applied for re-assessment or been advised to do anything? We actually really want to move to Brisbane as family are over there but not sure of the chances of being on the State Migration plan for Queensland - and advice appreciated! thanks

 

You can definitely get re-assessed but not sure if its free since the deadline for free one is 13th August.

 

Its worth ringing them and checking.

 

Also make sure your new occupation is on schedule 3: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule3.pdf

 

I guess UNIX Specialists fall under Sys Admin role which is not in new SOL above.

[User Name]

Hi there,

 

We are new to this forum and very confused. We had a successful assessment with ACS for Computing Professional - UNIX specialist which is obviously no longer on the new SOL and were told to get re-assessed by ACS as we qualify for the free assessment and our agent just sent off our form as the deadline was the 13th of August and put us down as wanting to be a Systems Analyst. What are the chances they will even consider that as we didn't even send any extra information just the old original assessment letter. Anyone else a 2231-79 Unix specialist in same position and applied for re-assessment or been advised to do anything? We actually really want to move to Brisbane as family are over there but not sure of the chances of being on the State Migration plan for Queensland - and advice appreciated! thanks

 

You can definitely get re-assessed but not sure if its free since the deadline for free one is 13th August.

 

Its worth ringing them and checking.

 

Also make sure your new occupation is on schedule 3: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule3.pdf

 

I guess UNIX Specialists could correlate with 262113 System Admin role which is not in new SOL above.

[Guest zzzsianzzz]

You can definitely get re-assessed but not sure if its free since the deadline for free one is 13th August.

 

Its worth ringing them and checking.

 

Also make sure your new occupation is on schedule 3: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule3.pdf

 

I guess UNIX Specialists could correlate with 262113 System Admin role which is not in new SOL above.

 

I thought system administrators map from system managers? not sure about UNIX specialists, but system admins are off the list...

 

the description for systems analyst might be different from the description of a system admins.. it involves analyzing different types of systems but system admins will most probably be maintaining/upgrading the current system in the organization.

 

both might involve UNIX specialization skill.

[Guest suvuka]

Thanks for replying - well I guess we just have to wait and see what happens and hope if they do just decide to correllate 2231-79 UNIX specialist hopefully we will be on the state migration plan when it finally comes out!

[MikeW]

Hi,

 

Here are my dates so far:

 

May 2009 - Positive ACS - 2231-19 Systems Programmer

 

Aug - 176 - ACT State Sponsorship Granted

 

October 2009 - General Skilled Migration submitted

 

Do I need to reapply for ACS skills assessment?

What does this map to on the new codes?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike.

[User Name]

Hi,

 

Here are my dates so far:

 

May 2009 - Positive ACS - 2231-19 Systems Programmer

 

Aug - 176 - ACT State Sponsorship Granted

 

October 2009 - General Skilled Migration submitted

 

Do I need to reapply for ACS skills assessment?

What does this map to on the new codes?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike.

 

Unless you want to lodge a new application, you don't have to reapply.

[MikeW]

That's good news - thanks for your reply.

[Guest foha2012]

Hey Suvuka,

 

I am in a similar situation - I was assessed 2231-79 - Iinux in march. So no free reassessment for me. Since I am self employed and was involved in diverse projects, I can either nominate myself as Business or Systems analyst.

 

Preparing the new application right now. While I am waiting for SMPs to be announced, I thought it won't hurt getting a code on the new SOL, although I am hopeful that some of the states will feature 261399 (2231-79) on their SMP lists.

 

Cheers,

 

TAA

[Guest suvuka]

Hey Suvuka,

 

I am in a similar situation - I was assessed 2231-79 - Iinux in march. So no free reassessment for me. Since I am self employed and was involved in diverse projects, I can either nominate myself as Business or Systems analyst.

 

Preparing the new application right now. While I am waiting for SMPs to be announced, I thought it won't hurt getting a code on the new SOL, although I am hopeful that some of the states will feature 261399 (2231-79) on their SMP lists.

 

Cheers,

 

TAA

Hi there,

 

Yes we were lucky to get a free assessment but in saying that we were told by our agent they would probably just correllate us to 261399 but we asked for Systems Analyst anyhow with no further proof and no updated documents or anything. We just send off the new form asking for that code, not even an udpated CV and they gave it to us so we were amazed but also very happy. We are keen on Brisbane as our family lives there so hoping we will be on that state plan once they finally come out! All the best with your application, all should be fine if you are doing a new application then.

 

cheers

[Guest foha2012]

Hi there,

 

You are lucky !. And you give me hope!.

 

Good luck on your plan to settle in Brisbane.

 

Cheers,

 

TAA

[Lenore]

Foha - did you apply to ACS for a new assessment, or (like us) you're waiting for SMPs first? Which occupation did/would you go for?

With additional delay of SMPs , we're thinking of just gambling with ACS ANZSCO code From -79 you can go for Software Engineer, Developer Programmer or Analyst , all in Schedule 3, as States didn't seem to be using much Schedule 4 so far. And God knows which one to choose, the easiest to get would be Developer, but prob the most popular on SMPs will be Software Engineer...

Still I think if we get a new ANZSCO code assessment (one of the ones I mentioned above), we can still use ASCO code assessment -79 mapped to ANZSCO -99 NEC in case some states put it on their list.

I tried to confirm that with ACS and DIAC, but without much success - just got general copy-paste response.

[Guest foha2012]

Lenore

 

Your story seems completely identical to ours !. I too tried ACS and DIAC for some hints but you wouldn't believe their answers!. They didn't even "cut and paste" properly !.

 

Well, we have figured that another assessment won't hurt (other than 400$!). My job responsibilities were a mix of systems and Business analyst but since my previous CV showed experience as Systems analyst, we'd go for 261112. As there is no news of SMPs so far, we thought we would seek SS from either ACT or QLD - both offering SS on Schedule 3 now. So If I get ACS 261112 and our old 261399, which may or may not appear on some states, we could save some time by not waiting for new assessment IF 261399 does not appear on any SMPs.

 

So, hopefully , by mid Sept, we would have applied for ACS, would get our results hopefully positive by mid november, by then a few SMPs should have appeared, so we will then be able to launch 176 VISA by either SS or SMP.

 

What do you think ?. BTW if you were coding yourself, then Developer programmer suits you better but If you were a team leader and worked as boss for programmers, you should choose Analyst programmer. Hope it helps.

 

Cheers,

 

TAA

[Lenore]

foha2012

We're in the queue for SA state sponsorship, as we managed to send them complete documents before the May changes. So as soon as they have SMPs signed they will resume proccessing pending applications. There is a slight chance that -99 (NEC) code will be there and that would be wonderful news as they should proccess our application relatively quickly.

Still it would be great not to waste time and apply for a Schedule 3 job assessment, but because of SA application we don't really want to lose our ASCO -79 /ANZSCO mapped -99 code. If we knew we could hold two valid occupation codes and use mapped ASCO alternatively to a different new ANZSCO, we would have sent a new assessment application in July. But ACS people either didn't know or didn't care, their responses were useless.

It really is even more tempting to apply for another, Schedule 3 job, as there are rumours about even more delays with SMPs. We have also option to go for Skilled Family Sponsored Visa, but it requires Schedule 3 job and will be same priority as 175. And according to DIAC priorities are to be changed...

 

Are there any other guys here who stick to ASCO -79 to see what to apply for after the release of SMPs? Or you're just guessing what states might need and applying for new assessments accordingly?

 

I'm also thinking, prob DIAC is using all that procrastination to proccess thousands of pending applications - they are said to be working on Feb 2008 applicants now. Bad time and work management... Maybe they should hire more people, as they put up the visa prices...

[Guest Popcorn]

Hi, we seem to be in the same boat as you, Lenore. We are also in the queue for SA SS. We got all our docs in before their deadline, but they haven't started processing our SS as they have with some occupations. We will have to wait for the SMP to see if they need comp. prof. nec (.net technologies) before we pay for a new assessment from the ACS.

Good luck with yours!

[Guest swan2748]

According to a post in another thread DIAC is finally doing something for ICT prof. nec.

 

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migration-issues/91106-2231-79-computing-professional-ict-recent-graduate-new-priority-39.html

 

Let's keep our fingers crossed.