NSW State Migration Plan

[George Lombard]

Judging by the new content at Skilled Regional Sponsored Migration: Business Migration: Industry & Investment NSW, the NSW State Migration Plan seems to have been finalised, particularly in terms of occupations and criteria for subclass 176 - http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/migration/pdfdocuments/STNI_Criteria_STNI_Skilled.pdf - and 475 - http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/migration/pdfdocuments/SIR_skills_in_demand_summary_25052010.pdf - sponsorship.

 

Hopefully the moderators will set up a thread where this information - and other SMPs - can be displayed. I'll post it to the agents only sticky thread as well.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

[matjones]

Judging by the new content at Skilled Regional Sponsored Migration: Business Migration: Industry & Investment NSW, the NSW State Migration Plan seems to have been finalised, particularly in terms of occupations and criteria for subclass 176 - http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/migration/pdfdocuments/STNI_Criteria_STNI_Skilled.pdf - and 475 - http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/migration/pdfdocuments/SIR_skills_in_demand_summary_25052010.pdf - sponsorship.

 

Hopefully the moderators will set up a thread where this information - and other SMPs - can be displayed. I'll post it to the agents only sticky thread as well.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

 

There's only about 12 professions in the 176 list.. Is that right? would they only sponsor that few occupations?

[clusterofgeals]

with this being hopefully being one of the first smp to be published surely if all the states follow nsw it looks like the smp will be almost like a specialised critical skills list but with these specialised jobs on the smp applicants are going to be very far and few between so hopefully they will be processing alot more state sponsorships applicants

[Ozzieland]

As far as I remember, I have always noticed that NSW has the smallest list of occupations for the 176 visa. I am sure that states like SA, NT, Tasmania have much more requirements that just this few.

[Alan Collett]

Yes. the NSW list of skilled occupations has always been limited in number relative to the other States and Territories.

 

Best regards.

[matjones]

Yes. the NSW list of skilled occupations has always been limited in number relative to the other States and Territories.

 

Best regards.

 

Ah ok, Thanks Alan. That would explain it. It's not like their list got drastically cut, so probably won't happen to other states.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi George

 

Have you spoken with the Manager of the NSW State sponsorship people in order to clarify whether or not the two new lists that they have published are intended to be NSW's new SMP, please?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest jessijessi]

Thanks you all. Hope you can pose other states plan once they are published.

 

I will stick here....

 

Tks, tks.

 

Jessi

[Guest jessijessi]

Hi George,

 

One of my friend graduated from Mechanical major with a bachelor degeree. age 30-

But he been working as a technical sales representative of electronic prodicts since left school.

 

provides he get the assessment of Mechanical engineer. -----seems IEA doesnt require working expreience, but focus on the major and degeree.

 

Can he apply for NSW shonsorship of 233512 Mechanical engineer? ( i found it in the list 475)

and apply for 475 ??

 

 

Thanks a lot..... :cry:

 

Jessi

[sherin]

So does anybody know how many occupations were there on the old NSW list..

[George Lombard]

Just to clarify the questions arising with respect to NSW.

 

1. It's fortunate that NSW is going to continue to sponsor anyone at all - the very small number of occupations that they will sponsor is pretty much to be expected given previous policies and previous lists. Other states are much more generous. Not sure about the numbers before and after but quite surprised to see that they need architects now.

2. The reasons why I think this is a new SMP - new presentation format for 176 applicants (all skills listed in one link) - new fee (now $265) - new tabular presentation for all regions for 475 applicants - use of ANZSCO codes exclusively. But no, haven't spoken to the NSW officials about this yet.

3. We will need an SMP thread - possibly a thread for each SMP.

4. Individual occupations may qualify for these lists but make sure you read the fine print first, since NSW is quite strict about its particular requirements.

5. IT occupations will be a complex area for some time to come.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

[Guest JK2510]

Hi,

 

What would happen to the ones that already have a state sponsorship but visa has yet to be granted?

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi George

 

3. We will need an SMP thread - possibly a thread for each SMP.

I think that Rob (site admin) returns to Melbourne from his holiday in the NT sometime before the end of June.

 

When Rob returns, I plan to ask him to make an "Agents Only" sub-section of the Migration Issues section of the forum. The software already has a specific Group of PiO members called "Agents." My idea is that only the members of the "Agents Group" will be able to post anything in the "Agents Only" sub-section but everyone will be able to read the posts in the sub-section.

 

If we do this then I can make the "sticky" section of Migration Issues smaller, which would be desirable, and it can cover a wider range of visa-related topics such as Parents, Partners, the IELTS etc.

 

Where a topic needs two separate threads, one in the Agents Only sub-section so that everyone can read the core material easily, and another thread in the General section of migration issues so that everyone else can discuss the matter, we will be able to do this easily. I am keen on the idea of not having to chase people out of Agents Only threads because nobody else will be able to post anything in those threads anyway.

 

Rob can make the software changes very quickly once he is back and the idea of a separate sub-section is his own idea, which I think is an excellent idea. My feeling is to get the new sub-section set up and then I can start moving material around. One thread for the Agents Only is no longer enough so I think the next step is to use a sub-section.

 

Whilst I look after the forum, I do think it would be very helpful if you or someone else could ring up NSW and get confirmation from them that we do mean their new SMP when we discuss their new lists of occupations, just to make sure that we are absolutely right about this, please.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest asereht01]

the new list of occupations that NSW will sponsor are all taken from the new SOL list. I do hope that they will still publish their much broader SMP.

 

I hope that the states will still release 2 list:

1) the list of occupations for sponsorship - the narrowed one, extracted from the new SOL list

2) SMP list- a much broader list, extracted from schedule 4 of the new list

[Guest Nanoworld]

Hi,

 

I am new to this forum. I will be obtaining PhD degree in the month of September, hence i will certainly fall into the prey of new rules. I really do not know what nominated occupation i will be as i have covered both the areas of study that is life sciences and chemistry. Can i qualify for the NSW state sponsorship? as they are accepting PhD qualification.

[Guest jains005]

Hi,

I've a doubt. I applied for 176 visa in March 09 wit NT sponsorship. What if my occupation (which is in new sol) is only there in the 475 list of NT?

For new applicants, they can wait for the lists to come out and choose the visa subclass. What about those applied? Any idea how states are going to manage it?

Someone please answer

Thank you

Jains

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi George

 

I have just read the post below, on another thread. One of our members phoned the WA State Migration Centre recently, it seems:

 

Couple of days ago I rang WA Migration Center and asked very similar question. Reply I got is " Once WA SS on-line application becomes available ( some where near July 15) there will be only one list, and there will no no difference between SMP and SS i.e. Class 176 Visa.". SS will be for SMP only.

 

So I asked why on DIAC website SMP has processing priority two and SS is on thirs priority. Answer I got " if any state opens SS application for new SOL, before SMP agreed and announced, this will be SS for Visa class 176".

This does not sound like a conversation with WA's Manager to me. The answer to the second question does not actually answer the question that the caller was trying to ask. The Manager could have explained it properly, methinks.

 

However the first exchange intrigues me. I wonder whether there has been such a breakdown of communications between DIAC and the various States that the States have said "Sod it. There will only be one idea of State sponsorship, that idea will be the SMP, the occupations on the new SOL will be the only ones on the SMP, that will be that as far as the State is concerned and when the employers in our State complain - as they inevitably will - they will be advised to discuss their complaints with Bloggs at DIAC." ???

 

I wonder....?

 

It seems that WA will not publish anything on 1st July after all.

 

Depending on what you make of the caller's second question and the reply, is it possible that NSW have stuck to their original threat and have refused to get involved with the SMP idea at all?

 

It seems very odd to me that WA especially would confine itself to Schedule 3 of the new SOL only unless they have become utterly fed up with the antics from Canberra?

 

I think that the agents who are in Oz ought to phone the various State Immi Managers and find out exactly what the Managers are expecting, perhaps?

 

Puzzled

 

Gill

[Ozzieland]

Hi George

 

I have just read the post below, on another thread. One of our members phoned the WA State Migration Centre recently, it seems:

 

 

This does not sound like a conversation with WA's Manager to me. The answer to the second question does not actually answer the question that the caller was trying to ask. The Manager could have explained it properly, methinks.

 

However the first exchange intrigues me. I wonder whether there has been such a breakdown of communications between DIAC and the various States that the States have said "Sod it. There will only be one idea of State sponsorship, that idea will be the SMP, the occupations on the new SOL will be the only ones on the SMP, that will be that as far as the State is concerned and when the employers in our State complain - as they inevitably will - they will be advised to discuss their complaints with Bloggs at DIAC." ???

 

I wonder....?

 

It seems that WA will not publish anything on 1st July after all.

 

Depending on what you make of the caller's second question and the reply, is it possible that NSW have stuck to their original threat and have refused to get involved with the SMP idea at all?

 

It seems very odd to me that WA especially would confine itself to Schedule 3 of the new SOL only unless they have become utterly fed up with the antics from Canberra?

 

I think that the agents who are in Oz ought to phone the various State Immi Managers and find out exactly what the Managers are expecting, perhaps?

 

Puzzled

 

Gill

 

Hey Gill,

 

I too am confused on the 2 NSW list. Both have occupations from the new SOL - one for 176 and the other for 475. To me this sounds like they do not have an SMP or may release one later. Seems like a confusion between all the states and DIAC. Why is WA (as per the above post) claiming that there is only one list (SMP). What happens to the 475 in that case ? I am confused :confused: Hope to get some clarity.

[Alan Collett]

I recommend that all affected stop speculating until there is official word on each State and Territory Government's website, with words to the effect, "Here is our State Migration Plan."

 

Or until they hear authoritatively from their appointed migration agent.

 

Otherwise intending skilled migrants will work themselves into a frenzy based on hearsay and rumour.

 

Best regards.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

I recommend that all affected stop speculating until there is official word on each State and Territory Government's website, with words to the effect, "Here is our State Migration Plan."

 

Or until they hear authoritatively from their appointed migration agent.

 

Otherwise intending skilled migrants will work themselves into a frenzy based on hearsay and rumour.

 

Best regards.

 

 

Hi Alan

 

If you read George's posts on this thread, he reckons that the two lists produced by NSW last week are NSW's new SMP.

 

I've been querying the assertion because I think that somebody ought to phone NSW and find out whether George's assertion is correct.

 

It is no use telling people to wait for the NSW website to announce something if NSW have already said as much as they are prepared to say - on their website, as you recommend.

 

Also, you seem to be contradicting George and saying that you don't think that the two lists from NSW are necessarily the SMP for NSW at all.

 

What else will there be except for rumour and speculation when the two main agents on the PIO forum contradict one another?

 

I'm sleepy tonight but if a cup of hot chocolate does not send me to bed fairly soon, I'll phone some of the States myself and see whether I can persuade them to provide some clarity about what, if anything, they are planning to do. I don't want to stay up all night because I've got loads to do tomorrow morning and afternoon but coffee by the bucketful tends to keep me more or less awake during the day!

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[melbournegirlinny]

I just spoke to Beth Bull at the NSW department of Industry and Investment and clarified what is happening with this new list that was posted a couple of days ago.

 

First, this is NOT the NSW State Migration Plan. Beth says it is just an updated NSW state sponsorship list.

 

She was out of work on Friday and her IT people posted the new state list without her knowing. She in fact has some more small changes to make. I do not know if she will be adding any more skills to it but she confirmed that the NSW state list is very brief (unfortunately).

 

As for the NSW State Migration Plan, she said that is still in discussions with DIAC and who knows when it will be done. She also does not know whether there will be 2 state lists eventually or just one.

 

As for the Regional NSW lists, she is also waiting to update those. Please note that the table you click on and open up that says July 1, 2010 is not in fact updated yet for July 1, 2010. She had changed the date on the document but is waiting for final input from the regions as to which skills will be on that list. She did not know her IT people were going to publish it on the website either.

 

She says the sub-sections for the different regions are accurate though. So if you click on 'Southern Inland Region' for example those skills are accurate but the table/schedule that opens up when you click on 'Summary of Skilled Regional Sponsored occupations' is not. She says that table/schedule should be upated later this week.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Sandra

[George Lombard]

Hi Gill, Alan,

 

I've spoken to NSW this morning and to some extent we're all correct.

 

I made it clear that I was basing my statements on inferences drawn from the NSW government website. The major premise of course was that they had released this information on their website deliberately.

 

I have been told this morning that the release of that information on their website was premature and that there will be some further changes today.

 

I was also told that the lists being released on their website now are not the SMP and indeed as you've guessed Gill, whether NSW goes with an SMP at all is still "under discussion".

 

However it's certainly the case that NSW will be proceeding to state sponsor people from 1 July, whether there's an SMP or no, which is good news.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi Gill, Alan,

 

I've spoken to NSW this morning and to some extent we're all correct.

 

I made it clear that I was basing my statements on inferences drawn from the NSW government website. The major premise of course was that they had released this information on their website deliberately.

 

I have been told this morning that the release of that information on their website was premature and that there will be some further changes today.

 

I was also told that the lists being released on their website now are not the SMP and indeed as you've guessed Gill, whether NSW goes with an SMP at all is still "under discussion".

 

However it's certainly the case that NSW will be proceeding to state sponsor people from 1 July, whether there's an SMP or no, which is good news.

 

Cheers,

 

George Lombard

 

Hi George

 

Very many thanks for this information. You and Sandra - Melbournegirlinny (who has applied to OMARA and is waiting for her RMA registration any day now) - have both done brilliantly to get to the bottom of the NSW lists. Sandra is a very experienced Aussie solicitor & barrister, by the way. She was trained at Freehills in Melbourne originally, which is not to be sniffed at.

 

I feel very sorry for the State Government Immi people in all of the States. They are going to be besieged with anxious callers phoning them. A lot of the time, the anxious callers won't be sure what questions to ask. At the other end in Australia, the callers are likely to be speaking to a junior member of the State's staff who doesn't really know what the "big picture" is with any of the State's own plans for attracting prospective overseas migrants to their State.

 

It would help enormously if DIAC took the trouble to be more communicative with existing and prospective visa applicants than they are.

 

The problem with the "ordinary State sponsorship lists" is that the ASPC information e-mail says that somebody who is only on one of the "ordinary SS lists" can expect to wait around 3 years for an offshore visa - with the ever-present risk that the Minister might Cap & Kill their visa application whilst they wait. People will only be fast-tracked if their occupation is on the SMP for the State concerned, so it says in the e-mail.

 

The people on a fast track to Oz will be the only GSM applicants who will be 99% sure that their applications won't be Capped & Killed off. I assume that this two-speed idea is what Julia Gillard was talking about the other day? Her statement puzzles me. First she said that the Regions are crying out for skills but that other places (the big cities, presumably) are crying out for enough jobs to go round. In the next breath, she talked out two-speed immigration for a two-speed problem, which is a non sequitur from her first proposition.

 

Nobody in their right mind would trust Senator Evans even with the job of making the tea in a business that needs to make a profit in order to survive, it seems to me! I'd put La Gillard on probation as well if it were me!

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest Gollywobbler]

I just spoke to Beth Bull at the NSW department of Industry and Investment and clarified what is happening with this new list that was posted a couple of days ago.

 

First, this is NOT the NSW State Migration Plan. Beth says it is just an updated NSW state sponsorship list.

 

She was out of work on Friday and her IT people posted the new state list without her knowing. She in fact has some more small changes to make. I do not know if she will be adding any more skills to it but she confirmed that the NSW state list is very brief (unfortunately).

 

As for the NSW State Migration Plan, she said that is still in discussions with DIAC and who knows when it will be done. She also does not know whether there will be 2 state lists eventually or just one.

 

As for the Regional NSW lists, she is also waiting to update those. Please note that the table you click on and open up that says July 1, 2010 is not in fact updated yet for July 1, 2010. She had changed the date on the document but is waiting for final input from the regions as to which skills will be on that list. She did not know her IT people were going to publish it on the website either.

 

She says the sub-sections for the different regions are accurate though. So if you click on 'Southern Inland Region' for example those skills are accurate but the table/schedule that opens up when you click on 'Summary of Skilled Regional Sponsored occupations' is not. She says that table/schedule should be upated later this week.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Sandra

 

Hi Sandra

 

Thanks very much indeed for sorting this out.

 

I must admit that I've never taken much trouble with the sc 475 list for NSW. It is too complicated. I don't know the geography of NSW so I haven't a clue where "Riverina" is or what might go on in that region, for example. The map tells you where the place is but it does not tell you anything about what the main industries are in the region.

 

The interactive map that WA produce on their own State website is a million times easier for someone like me to make sense of, and then the booklet about the different regions tells me what goes on in which areas, which skills are needed in each of the areas etc:

 

State Migration Centre

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[melbournegirlinny]

Happy to help. It didn't take long. I think the WA website is very good and easy to use. The SA website I like too. It doesn't help I guess if your IT department post documents that are not yet in final form ;-)