Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Suggestion to applicants. Write to a) the CEO of DIAC, b) the DIAC manager for Migration and Visa Policy and c) the Minister of Immigration (their details later). Something like this: Dear Sir I wish to lodge a formal complaint about the handling of my visa application by DIAC. The application was lodged at a time that the most senior people responsible for running the Australian migration programme (being the CEO of DIAC, the Manager of Migration Visa Policy and the Minister of Immigration) knew Skilled Independent and other MODL based visa numbers were becoming higher than the programme could allow for in any year. You were made aware up to two years ago that DIAC modelling indicated that the numbers of students who were likely to apply for permanent residency would compound the problem. Yet you let the student numbers develop unabated and did not change policy settings or processing priorities in a timely manner. You failed to advise me that these rising volumes meant there could be delays in deciding my application, the likelihood as you knew was that the visa grant date for my case would go well beyond the processing times shown in recent visa grants being tracked by applicants and agents the world over. I had a fair and reasonable expectation that my visa would be processed within normal timeframes as DIAC advise in budget estimates and service quality standards on their website. I also made the application under Australian laws, knowing that I would not be discriminated against based on my occupation and necessary choice of visa subclass. You failed to advise me that the Minister instructed DIAC in January to hold off processing visas in my subclass, based on my non-CSL MODL based occupation. This may have caused me to withdraw my application, but it would certainly have given me pause for thought before incurring any additional costs as processing continued. You failed to advise me that DIAC continued to process my application against the Minister's wishes, with DIAC asking me to incur significant costs plus expend a great deal of personal time. Your neglect to advise me properly also raised my expectations that due process was being applied to my application such that these new costs and requests for information would soon result in grant of a visa. As these requests for more information and documentation with associated costs were evidently against the Minister’s instructions and my visa would no longer be granted in a timely manner, so you failed to ensure that I was properly informed and I thus have had my rights as a consumer of Australian Government services impinged upon. You are responsible for my recent costs and frustration, and I require compensation. That compensation can either be by way of: Immediately restoring the assessment and decision making process for my visa subclass and ultimately granting my application within two months, or Agreeing to accept a claim from me for costs that I have incurred since the Minister instructed DIAC to restrict processing on my visa subclass in January PLUS restoring the visa decision making process for my visa subclass and ultimately granting my application within two to six months, or Cancelling my visa application without future prejudice to my making subsequent applications and offering me a full refund - including all third party costs incurred relevant to making my application and complying with DIAC requests for information and documentation, of course this claim will be backed by receipts. Costs will include police clearances, migration agent fees, medical checks, skills assessments, post and courier, visa application fees and anything else reasonably documented and related to my application. The Minister mentioned to the Senate on 20 October that a number of Sri Lankan boat people just wanted to work in Australia - well so do we! The Minister also mentioned on that same day that he insisted on doing the morally right thing by the family of the 5 people drowned on an unseaworthy vessel purchased as a result of DIAC cost cutting, regardless of legal technicalities. We believe the Minister should show us that his moral character is not limited to a one off event where people had to die to get his attention. We are after all following the proper procedures and legal requirements, we are not trying to jump any queue or provide false information. We believe that the Minister should take responsibility and demonstrate that his moral position is consistent, that it extends to cover the thousands of customers affected by your combined lack of earlier action in managing the inflow of MODL applications once the problem was brought to your attention. Setting limits and shaping migration programme volumes was your job to do at the time you knew the inflow was changing, and you missed that opportunity. DELETE AS NECESSARY – My family now suffers as a result of this lack of timely decision making. The late response and subsequent over-reaction to the rising inflow of MODL based visas means we will now be ineligible to migrate as a family if we wait the two years advised to us. My son/daughter will then no longer be able to be included in our application and thus will not be able to migrate with us. We will migrate as a family and add to the Australian workforce for years to come, or we will not migrate at all. It is your job to help lift the unfair and discriminatory suspension of processing of non-MODL cases. We ask for nothing more than a) that our natural rights be accorded us and b) that our reasonable expectations be met - rights that were created in dealing with your Government and expectations that were formed as a result of information provided by DIAC on many occasions. We trust that you will do the morally right thing, "regardless of the legal technicalities". Yours sincerely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTACT DETAILS Senator Chris Evans Minister for Immigration and Citizenship Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 Telephone: +61 2 6277 7860 Fax: +61 2 6273 4144 Email: minister@immi.gov.au Mr Andrew Metcalfe Secretary, Department of Immigration and Citizenship PO Box 25 Belconnen ACT 2616 Telephone: +61 2 6264 2560 / 2561 Fax: +61 2 6264 2670 Email: andrew.metcalfe@immi.gov.au Mr Peter Vardos PSM First Assistant Secretary Migration and Visa Policy Division Department of Immigration and Citizenship PO Box 25 Belconnen ACT 2616 Telephone: +61 2 6264 1888 Fax: +61 2 6264 1887 Email: peter.vardos@immi.gov.au Come on everybody! :Randy-git: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlino Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Suggestion to applicants. Write to a) the CEO of DIAC, b) the DIAC manager for Migration and Visa Policy and c) the Minister of Immigration (their details later). Something like this: Dear Sir I wish to lodge a formal complaint about the handling of my visa application by DIAC. The application was lodged at a time that the most senior people responsible for running the Australian migration programme (being the CEO of DIAC, the Manager of Migration Visa Policy and the Minister of Immigration) knew Skilled Independent and other MODL based visa numbers were becoming higher than the programme could allow for in any year. You were made aware up to two years ago that DIAC modelling indicated that the numbers of students who were likely to apply for permanent residency would compound the problem. Yet you let the student numbers develop unabated and did not change policy settings or processing priorities in a timely manner. You failed to advise me that these rising volumes meant there could be delays in deciding my application, the likelihood as you knew was that the visa grant date for my case would go well beyond the processing times shown in recent visa grants being tracked by applicants and agents the world over. I had a fair and reasonable expectation that my visa would be processed within normal timeframes as DIAC advise in budget estimates and service quality standards on their website. I also made the application under Australian laws, knowing that I would not be discriminated against based on my occupation and necessary choice of visa subclass. You failed to advise me that the Minister instructed DIAC in January to hold off processing visas in my subclass, based on my non-CSL MODL based occupation. This may have caused me to withdraw my application, but it would certainly have given me pause for thought before incurring any additional costs as processing continued. You failed to advise me that DIAC continued to process my application against the Minister's wishes, with DIAC asking me to incur significant costs plus expend a great deal of personal time. Your neglect to advise me properly also raised my expectations that due process was being applied to my application such that these new costs and requests for information would soon result in grant of a visa. As these requests for more information and documentation with associated costs were evidently against the Minister’s instructions and my visa would no longer be granted in a timely manner, so you failed to ensure that I was properly informed and I thus have had my rights as a consumer of Australian Government services impinged upon. You are responsible for my recent costs and frustration, and I require compensation. That compensation can either be by way of: Immediately restoring the assessment and decision making process for my visa subclass and ultimately granting my application within two months, or Agreeing to accept a claim from me for costs that I have incurred since the Minister instructed DIAC to restrict processing on my visa subclass in January PLUS restoring the visa decision making process for my visa subclass and ultimately granting my application within two to six months, or Cancelling my visa application without future prejudice to my making subsequent applications and offering me a full refund - including all third party costs incurred relevant to making my application and complying with DIAC requests for information and documentation, of course this claim will be backed by receipts. Costs will include police clearances, migration agent fees, medical checks, skills assessments, post and courier, visa application fees and anything else reasonably documented and related to my application. The Minister mentioned to the Senate on 20 October that a number of Sri Lankan boat people just wanted to work in Australia - well so do we! The Minister also mentioned on that same day that he insisted on doing the morally right thing by the family of the 5 people drowned on an unseaworthy vessel purchased as a result of DIAC cost cutting, regardless of legal technicalities. We believe the Minister should show us that his moral character is not limited to a one off event where people had to die to get his attention. We are after all following the proper procedures and legal requirements, we are not trying to jump any queue or provide false information. We believe that the Minister should take responsibility and demonstrate that his moral position is consistent, that it extends to cover the thousands of customers affected by your combined lack of earlier action in managing the inflow of MODL applications once the problem was brought to your attention. Setting limits and shaping migration programme volumes was your job to do at the time you knew the inflow was changing, and you missed that opportunity. DELETE AS NECESSARY – My family now suffers as a result of this lack of timely decision making. The late response and subsequent over-reaction to the rising inflow of MODL based visas means we will now be ineligible to migrate as a family if we wait the two years advised to us. My son/daughter will then no longer be able to be included in our application and thus will not be able to migrate with us. We will migrate as a family and add to the Australian workforce for years to come, or we will not migrate at all. It is your job to help lift the unfair and discriminatory suspension of processing of non-MODL cases. We ask for nothing more than a) that our natural rights be accorded us and b) that our reasonable expectations be met - rights that were created in dealing with your Government and expectations that were formed as a result of information provided by DIAC on many occasions. We trust that you will do the morally right thing, "regardless of the legal technicalities". Yours sincerely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTACT DETAILS Senator Chris Evans Minister for Immigration and Citizenship Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 Telephone: +61 2 6277 7860 Fax: +61 2 6273 4144 Email: minister@immi.gov.au Mr Andrew Metcalfe Secretary, Department of Immigration and Citizenship PO Box 25 Belconnen ACT 2616 Telephone: +61 2 6264 2560 / 2561 Fax: +61 2 6264 2670 Email: andrew.metcalfe@immi.gov.au Mr Peter Vardos PSM First Assistant Secretary Migration and Visa Policy Division Department of Immigration and Citizenship PO Box 25 Belconnen ACT 2616 Telephone: +61 2 6264 1888 Fax: +61 2 6264 1887 Email: peter.vardos@immi.gov.au Come on everybody! :Randy-git: Maybe we could collect a list of our names and send this letter once as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 You'll get wetter when it pours all over the country than if one bucket of rain lands in a puddle that can be neatly avoided One letter can be diverted and left in someone's IN tray, it's the old "wait long enough and it will go away" management policy of bureaucrats that we want to avoid. Send plenty of letters. Get the secretaries, the mail boy, the case officers, personal assistants, EVERYONE asking about the number of letters coming in - makes it harder to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hi Jamie Although I agree with you in principle, this draft letter of yours is NOT an accurate reflection of the relevant facts in most cases. Although I think formal letters of complaint are an excellent idea, they will be dismissed as nothing but a silly gimmick unless they are a totally accurate reflection of the exact facts for each applicant concerned and they give the details of the specific visa application concerned. Also every complaint letter should be addressed to the Manager of the Global Feedback and merely copied to the others whom you suggest. Disgruntled members of the public, whether they are clients or not, are not entitled to try to disrupt - or to ignore - the smooth running of a Government Department in any half-sane country. If people want to be taken seriously then they must act sensibly and responsibly. Would it be possible for you or the MIA to get a proper e-mail address for the GFU, please? Please read the GFU's instructions: http://www.immi.gov.au/contacts/forms/services/#b By insisting that people complain on paper they are deliberately deterring complaints. They do have a point. Someone who means it will type a proper letter, get it printed and send it via a reliable document courier if the aggrieved applicant is in the UK. (Jamie, you may not be aware that the UK Royal Mail is on some sort of Work To Rule at the moment with threats of strikes my Royal Mail staff, so as to ensure maximum disruption to the service at the busiest time of the year. Because of the risk that statutory and other legal demands will not be received if sent by ordinary post, all the lawyers in the UK are advising clients to hand-deliver demands with 2 people in the car, log the exact date and time, get a signature if possible etc etc. If people want their letters to reach Oz, I would not trust ordinary airmail or Royal Mail International Signed For right now. Is it possible that the MIA people could explain the UK Royal Mail problem to the GFU and get them to agree to accept complaints by e-mail instead?) Thanks Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest proud2beaussie Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Seeing as though there was very little of interest to come out of the senate hearing yesterday there may be little value in posting this but if anybody is interested in reading a transcript of the proceedings they can be found at TRANSCRIPT PRODUCTION STATUS FOR SENATE LEGISLATION. Look for Legal and Constitutional Affairs. At the moment they have loaded the minutes up till 10.23am but will probably have the whole days transcript up later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bodders71 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I haven't posted to this forum for a while and I've been stewing since 23/9 but can't put it off any longer. Today, I cancelled my meds appointment and saved approx £500 of wasted money. This whole priority processing thing is disgraceful. Anyone else anywhere in the world that encouraged people to pay fees for a service that essentially is non existent (how many people can seriously be expected to put their lives on hold for 3 years+ and continue to shell out for associated costs with no guarantee of a positive result?) would in time be exposed as nothing but a scam. In this case, it looks like a multi-million pound/dollar scam. Decent, hard-working people in the UK have been tricked into contributing to the Australian Government's coffers and I don't doubt for a second that the current rumblings of discontent, shock and frustration among visa applicants will, over time, grow into serious anger. I've seen mentions, however light-hearted, of class actions but, seriously, how long will it be before the first wave of "no win-no fee" type of lawyers start getting involved in trying to recoup some of those costs. The whole thing is a total mess. Another thought - what effect will this have on Migration Agents' business? Surely the new apps for State Sponsorship and the like will pretty much dry up now. And they may even be open to future claims for fees paid from existing clients who will have to withdraw their applications due to the new processing delays. I didn't hear Ben Sheppard mention any of this on GMTV last week when he was extolling the virtues of the Oz migration system. Maybe we need Panaroma or Dispatches (or the Oz equivalent) to do a proper documentary of the thousands of Brits that have been ripped off by Oz. I can see a very large can of worms being opened pretty soon, with people trying to take advantage of the situation for all the wrong reasons. And for the record, although I seldom contribute to the forum, so far I've already spent around 2 years and approx £10,000 in my efforts to get my family over to Oz. That's £10k of things that me and my kids have gone without in order to try to get a better life for ourselves. Life's hard enough here at the moment without that sort of useless expenditure! Rant over.....for now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WJK Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hi WJK What announcement, please? Have you heard something that I haven't heard? If so, please tell. We need researchers and checkers everywhere right now. Thanks Gill Sorry Gill I was alluding to the notice issued by the ASPC The Adelaide Skilled Processing Centre (ASPC) is developing procedures to process applications in accordance with the new Government Direction that has been announced effective 23 September 2009. Critical Skilled List (CSL) cases will be given the highest priority and that is where the ASPC will be focussing its attention. Once the ASPC has established processing arrangements for CSL cases, we will be in a position to provide further advice, which, hopefully can be done by the end of October 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 That means they will give advice on processing times end December, not restart the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 If they want us to write letters, then we'll write letters. Lots of them. Feel free to edit it, add a name/address for distribution and repost it here if you wish Gill. But if we use the "proper channels" all that will happen is some flunkey will write a nice reply of no substance, summarise the numbers and make a report to their manager, and if that report ever got on the Minisiters desk or the CEOs I would be very surpised. DIAC culture is NOT to challenge the Minister. Formal letters can go by fax and email to DIAC and the Minister, it is a recognised document reception method with them. No, the contact points for the letter need to be the people involved in making the decisions. We want to create a paper windstorm, not a will 'o' the wisp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianInOZ Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is there any use in contacting someone like Current Afffair? I moved to Sydney on a student visa with 3 children in 2002; I am currently on temp 457. My eldest had to return to Canada already. My 2nd eldest is next (he is 19 and I doubt I can continue to claim he is dependent). I cannot afford to send my daughter to public school ($550/mth) and she is thinking of moving back to Canada because it is all just too hard!! My PhD was completed May 2008 and I applied for 175. As mentioned above, I did this based on Aus gov't documents indicating approximate processing times. I have to admit that no one could predict the economic crisis; however, as mentioned above, it seems other information (influx of graduating students) was available and should have been factored in. I think it is disgraceful that the gov't demands $2,000 up front when they have done nothing (my app is online and not assigned to CO). How can they in conscience think they can hold on to thousands of applicants' application fees when they predict none will be processed for several years?????! I have already lost thousands of dollars in unsucessful applications and immigration lawyer fees. Sorry for the rant, but in summary, I am interested in joining a group demand for compensation. Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest proud2beaussie Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Reading through hansard record of the proceedings yesterday I was struck by this passage in regards to sponsorship and the 457 visa. Mr Speldewinde—Each application is a separate and new application and it is treated as such. One of theinitiatives that we are looking at is to actually introduce a system whereby with a sponsor, once they have established a track record of compliance, we are looking to fast track the sponsorship part of the process. Senator Chris Evans—Effectively we are trying to move to a sort of accreditation type system and faster processing. Senator BACK—So a trusted employer effectively. Senator Chris Evans—Yes. I always use the example of, if BHP want to bring in a mining engineer and pay him 400 grand, what do I care other than that he is not a security risk, he has not got TB and he has a valid passport. It seems to me that those are the ones that we ought to be doing quickly. If there is an employer who we have not had dealings with before in a high-risk occupation, et cetera, then you would give them a more fulsome approach. We have brought processing times down enormously. The new act does provide some new sponsorship obligations, but we are very committed to try and facilitate business to move quickly. If that is Senator Evan's thinking about the 457 why doesn't he apply the same principles to 175's and 176's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlino Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is there any use in contacting someone like Current Afffair? I moved to Sydney on a student visa with 3 children in 2002; I am currently on temp 457. My eldest had to return to Canada already. My 2nd eldest is next (he is 19 and I doubt I can continue to claim he is dependent). I cannot afford to send my daughter to public school ($550/mth) and she is thinking of moving back to Canada because it is all just too hard!! My PhD was completed May 2008 and I applied for 175. As mentioned above, I did this based on Aus gov't documents indicating approximate processing times. I have to admit that no one could predict the economic crisis; however, as mentioned above, it seems other information (influx of graduating students) was available and should have been factored in. I think it is disgraceful that the gov't demands $2,000 up front when they have done nothing (my app is online and not assigned to CO). How can they in conscience think they can hold on to thousands of applicants' application fees when they predict none will be processed for several years?????! I have already lost thousands of dollars in unsucessful applications and immigration lawyer fees. Sorry for the rant, but in summary, I am interested in joining a group demand for compensation. Suzanne Welcome to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is there any use in contacting someone like Current Afffair? I moved to Sydney on a student visa with 3 children in 2002; I am currently on temp 457. My eldest had to return to Canada already. My 2nd eldest is next (he is 19 and I doubt I can continue to claim he is dependent). I cannot afford to send my daughter to public school ($550/mth) and she is thinking of moving back to Canada because it is all just too hard!! My PhD was completed May 2008 and I applied for 175. As mentioned above, I did this based on Aus gov't documents indicating approximate processing times. I have to admit that no one could predict the economic crisis; however, as mentioned above, it seems other information (influx of graduating students) was available and should have been factored in. I think it is disgraceful that the gov't demands $2,000 up front when they have done nothing (my app is online and not assigned to CO). How can they in conscience think they can hold on to thousands of applicants' application fees when they predict none will be processed for several years?????! I have already lost thousands of dollars in unsucessful applications and immigration lawyer fees. Sorry for the rant, but in summary, I am interested in joining a group demand for compensation. Suzanne Write iyour story up and send it in Suzanne.:yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazzarazza Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Reading through hansard record of the proceedings yesterday I was struck by this passage in regards to sponsorship and the 457 visa. If that is Senator Evan's thinking about the 457 why doesn't he apply the same principles to 175's and 176's ? Yes, I agree Nigel, and especially the 475's which are all Provisional visas (sponsored by family or State) where they still need to establish a "track record" of employment and setting up a life for 3 years, before they can apply to become Permanent Residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest proud2beaussie Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 It does appear that the minister has some feelings though Kazza,at least that's the impression I get from this paragraph about meat workers- The second issue was one of the great failings of our migration system and one of theconcerns that has occurred in western Europe and other places: you allow people to come into the country temporarily who want to stay permanently. They work hard and many of them, if they do not have a pathway to permanent residency, get very frustrated and are in a sort of limbo. One of the things we have been trying to do is more closely align the rules around permanent migration and temporary migration so we do not have this situation where, quite frankly, we have hundreds of meat workers who have come to the country in recent years who will really struggle to ever qualify for permanent residency. Many of them brought their families. Many of them would make good citizens. I have been exploring for some of them how we might be able to find a pathway for them. I bet there are a few PIO members who know EXACTLY what he means by "limbo"-and I don't mean the strange dance where you have to try and get under a bar-although I guess that's as hard as getting a visa application processed at the moment-probably easier ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKlaut Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Jamie Smith, it's a nice letter of complaint that you suggested us but I have another thought - why don't we write something like that but targeted to media and send it to various media? I think we should raise our voices through pubic opinion somehow. Make point WHAT the minister says and what he REALY do, describe the situation in our lives and what we, world migrants, think abount current state of migration process to Aus. I think it worhtwhile to try to make such appeal. We could name it Letter of Protest. Not only "boat people" deserve to be heard. If some of the professionals who present here could write a draft it would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheHollies Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Jamie Smith, it's a nice letter of complaint that you suggested us but I have another thought - why don't we write something like that but targeted to media and send it to various media? I think we should raise our voices through pubic opinion somehow. Make point WHAT the minister says and what he REALY do, describe the situation in our lives and what we, world migrants, think abount current state of migration process to Aus. I think it worhtwhile to try to make such appeal. Not only "boat people" deserve to be heard. If some of professionals who present here could write a draft it would be great. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlino Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Jamie Smith, it's a nice letter of complaint that you suggested us but I have another thought - why don't we write something like that but targeted to media and send it to various media? I think we should raise our voices through pubic opinion somehow. Make point WHAT the minister says and what he REALY do, describe the situation in our lives and what we, world migrants, think abount current state of migration process to Aus. I think it worhtwhile to try to make such appeal. We could mane it Letter of Protest. Not only "boat people" deserve to be heard. If some of the professionals who present here could write a draft it would be great. Let's do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKlaut Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 A bit more. I know that Rupert Murdoc is really favourable to migration and especially to Aus migration. I heard his lectures that were broadcast on ABC. If somehow we could attract his attention to the problem :arghh: that would be really great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bodders71 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I agree with trying to get the media onside. Whikst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed in Jamie's drafted letter lets just think about this...if an individual application is going to take up to 3 years what is the expected response time for an individual letter of complaint (after an initial acknowledgement)??? Far harder to ignore a load of calls to the DIAC Press Office I would imagine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlino Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 A bit more. I know that Rupert Murdoc is really favourable to migration and especially to Aus migration. I heard his lectures that were broadcast on ABC. If somehow we could attract his attention to the problem :arghh: that would be really great job. McKlaut, will you represent us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlino Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I agree with trying to get the media onside. Whikst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed in Jamie's drafted letter lets just think about this...if an individual application is going to take up to 3 years what is the expected response time for an individual letter of complaint (after an initial acknowledgement)??? Far harder to ignore a load of calls to the DIAC Press Office I would imagine! Okay, let's start getting the media's attention then, how shall we begin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 You do it one by one, or you pay a PR flack to do it on your behalf Yahoo! Directory AU & NZ > Newspapers > Australia > Complete List List of newspapers in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You don't need a professional to write you up, some of your stories here in the thread are dramatic and heartbreaking just by themselves. Just use your own storylines in messages here as a base and expand on them, everyone pick say 10 papers (split them up amongst yourselves by saying which ten you will take in list order), go to the Contact Us page of the various websites and head the email up to "Journalist or editor responsible for migration issues". Make sure you also guide them pack to these two threads (this one and "what would you say to the Minister") so they can see your letter is not the only one likely to be written. And go for it. :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freaks Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 You do it one by one, or you pay a PR flack to do it on your behalf Yahoo! Directory AU & NZ > Newspapers > Australia > Complete List List of newspapers in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You don't need a professional to write you up, some of your stories here in the thread are dramatic and heartbreaking just by themselves. Just use your own storylines in messages here as a base and expand on them, everyone pick say 10 papers (split them up amongst yourselves by saying which ten you will take in list order), go to the Contact Us page of the various websites and head the email up to "Journalist or editor responsible for migration issues". Make sure you also guide them pack to these two threads (this one and "what would you say to the Minister") so they can see your letter is not the only one likely to be written. And go for it. :yes: Hi Jamie, I have written to every man and there dog relating to this issue, since 23rd September with very little response. That said I have not voiced them to the appropriate individual just to the editor, and perhaps they were a little factual and not heart felt enough to get a response. You are of course correct that all media sources are unlikely to react to an individual, so I am more than happy to try again and again to get a result. Lets be honest politicians will not say or do anything without due pressure! Here is a list of email contacts I have used for some of Australia's press. letters@theaustralian.com.au <letters@theaustralian.com.au>; letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au <letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au>; sunday.letters@canberratimes.com.au <sunday.letters@canberratimes.com.au>; newsdesk@smh.com.au <newsdesk@smh.com.au>; online@ntn.newsltd.com.au <online@ntn.newsltd.com.au>; cmonline@qnp.newsltd.com.au <cmonline@qnp.newsltd.com.au>; mailedit@adv.newsltd.com.au <mailedit@adv.newsltd.com.au>; mercuryedletter@dbl.newsltd.com.au <mercuryedletter@dbl.newsltd.com.au>; newsdesk@theage.com.au <newsdesk@theage.com.au>; cweir@publicitas.com <cweir@publicitas.com>; tbeeston@publicitas.com <tbeeston@publicitas.com> Keep your head up if we all try our dreams will come true. Remain positive, I firmly believe good things will happen for good people. :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKlaut Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 McKlaut, will you represent us? I would like to but truly speaking I don't think I can write a really perfectly sound and justified letter like Jamie or Golly can. Maybe everyone should write its own and then we will chose the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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