Guest 0405delboy Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Hi Delboy I am not in a minority - Perth has a large number of self employed people (as does Australia generally - check out ABS stats) and we all do it for the lifestyle. For some its about being at home whilst their children are small and they get to have more engagement in their kids lives. Others like me, without kids, just ensure the lifestyle is there but with a more balanced work life. Look, I am not rich in dollar terms but I consider myself to have a rich quality of life and that's due to being sensible on what debt I take on and not going crazy with real estate etc etc. I grew up in a council estate in the UK from a poor family, so no tycoons here:biglaugh: My friends that do work for someone else and live near me have paid off their mortgages and have a boat and 4WD and the same lifestyle as I do - one is a security guard on $50k a year - so it is possible for anyone to achieve if they don't get suckered into catch up with the Jones' and focus on the material side of things. The secret is simple buy an older suburb house such as a brick and tile 3 x 1 and don't live ocean or river front (talking Perth here not other states) so the mortgage is reasonable - where I am you can still get a great house on a nice sized block for under $300k - get a secondhand 4WD and boat and the go live the life. It's only if people think a 5 x 2 McMansion and buying new things is the only option that they end up not having a life and having to work all hours to pay everything off and that to me is not the point of living here. Cheers Julia Thanks for the tip! I didnt mean to be rude but I do understand that a lot of Brits want everything, top of the range with a gold ribbon on it when they get here and yet its one of the few countries where that really matters. I have a house by the beach in Adelaide and love it but with two kids the money flows out faster than it comes in. But I know that when theyve left home we'll be gone any where and everywhere. Still, I strongly believe that if you are an executive or the like and youre cashed up in Oz then you have a distinct advantage over us blue- collareys!! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest earlswood Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 hahahahahahaha, :biglaugh: A Brit has 2 chances of getting a job in the mines....little chance and no chance, their are so many aussies chasing the few jobs that become avaliable that the Aussies will get in first...and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 A Brit has 2 chances of getting a job in the mines....little chance and no chance, their are so many aussies chasing the few jobs that become avaliable that the Aussies will get in first...and rightly so. If you have the quals from quarries in the uk you will piss a job in the aussie mines just need the safety cards piece of piss , not many aussies are qualified for a lot of the skilled positions thats why the jobs are advertised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Hi Delboy I am not in a minority - Perth has a large number of self employed people (as does Australia generally - check out ABS stats) and we all do it for the lifestyle. For some its about being at home whilst their children are small and they get to have more engagement in their kids lives. Others like me, without kids, just ensure the lifestyle is there but with a more balanced work life. Look, I am not rich in dollar terms but I consider myself to have a rich quality of life and that's due to being sensible on what debt I take on and not going crazy with real estate etc etc. I grew up in a council estate in the UK from a poor family, so no tycoons here:biglaugh: My friends that do work for someone else and live near me have paid off their mortgages and have a boat and 4WD and the same lifestyle as I do - one is a security guard on $50k a year - so it is possible for anyone to achieve if they don't get suckered into catch up with the Jones' and focus on the material side of things. The secret is simple buy an older suburb house such as a brick and tile 3 x 1 and don't live ocean or river front (talking Perth here not other states) so the mortgage is reasonable - where I am you can still get a great house on a nice sized block for under $300k - get a secondhand 4WD and boat and the go live the life. It's only if people think a 5 x 2 McMansion and buying new things is the only option that they end up not having a life and having to work all hours to pay everything off and that to me is not the point of living here. Cheers Julia An interesting and helpful post, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 A Brit has 2 chances of getting a job in the mines....little chance and no chance, their are so many aussies chasing the few jobs that become avaliable that the Aussies will get in first...and rightly so. You can't say that. Or are you now a recruiter for said mines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Anyone who wants to check the real situation in WA/Perth should check the Australian Bureau of Statistics Australian Bureau of Statistics and look for catalogue number 13065 which is the 2008 snapshot of Western Australia on a range of things and one of them is industry employment - the top 5 industries and the '000 they employ are as follows (there's more than this in the list):- 1. Retail Trade employes 154,000 2. Property & business services 128,000 3. Construction 115,000 4. Health & community services 99,000 5. Manufacturing 98,000 Compared to mining 52,000 and agriculture, foresty & fishing 42,000. There does seem to be a lot of myths/old data/misperceptions out there so those of you looking to come to WA/Perth please get factual information and don't totally rely on the opinions expressed on this site. I am not sure some people commenting even live in Perth, or if they did, it was a long time ago. Cheers Julia Statistics can be read a numerous ways , the core of wa industry is the infrastructure to the mininf=g industry , I know this because i wotrk ay-t a steel stockholder who supply steel to evereyone tafes , the retired hobbyist , or the majority engineering firms who support the mines RCR, Geographe are the big players , along with Sandvik supply shafts for the conveyor belts. These firms depend on the mining contracts to survive as well as a lot of the small ones , this is not statistics but facts, The mines go and a lot of WA Australian jobs will go with the domino effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Getting a job in the mines depends a lot on who you know. Even the aussies will tell you that. Its like the print was in England in the 70/80s Please tell me something I don't know. This is standard info in the UK 2009 ! If anyone needs to know about mine recruiting, let me enlighten you. The ozzie mine companies regularly have recruiting drives in the UK. My daughters ex boyfriend is a heavy electrician (don't know what that is) and he has twice been offered huge amounts of "transfer"money to go to Australia. In fact he's due to go over this year to see if their latest offer/work environment suits. He will be staying with a UK friend who took the offer last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest earlswood Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 MEN in Western Australia are the worst affected from the current economic climate as the predominantly male-dominated mining industry declines. Man drought over as WA men are hit hard by recession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 MEN in Western Australia are the worst affected from the current economic climate as the predominantly male-dominated mining industry declines. Man drought over as WA men are hit hard by recession Why do you quote in web shortcuts any question , on Perth shortcuts , no reral life experiences or experiences in areas of Perth , the reason you have been to the virtual perth , answer me where you lives firm you worked for ( already proven llama bar :no:) Went in last nite been serving magners since bar bloke had been ther ( magners eerrr no you said) one crap barman you must be not knowin your drinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest earlswood Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Why do you quote in web shortcuts any question , on Perth shortcuts , no reral life experiences or experiences in areas of Perth , the reason you have been to the virtual perth , answer me where you lives firm you worked for ( already proven llama bar :no:) Went in last nite been serving magners since bar bloke had been ther ( magners eerrr no you said) one crap barman you must be not knowin your drinks Yeh, bet you did:laugh: they did not serve magners when I was there it was just sold cobblers cider and strongbow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yorkie1974 Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Wow what a thread this turned into. OK, this is was posted purely as my own personal view and experience of this venture. I know some take exception to my comments but on a realistic level, Australia is not for everyone to work and live and that number includes myself. We took the plunge to try the life and there's just too much of the UK that we miss which includes family and friends. The holiday feeling that Australia gives is brilliant and there's lots to experience but to work and live, it simply not for us but thats not to say everyone will feel as we do. For me personally the holiday feeling has evaporated. Australia has negatives as well as positives and to portray it as Utopia without fault is wrong. The whole point of the forum is for people to exchange positive and negative aspects of such a massive move. We didn't expect Britain with beaches, just simply to see if we would fit into the lifestyle and we're finding it difficult. The wife is stir crazy at home, the kids miss friends and family, I'm bored and stagnant at work and the longer we stay the less we're enjoying it but we'll make the best of it all until the contract expires. I'd endorse anyone to give it a go because you never know, this place may be for you and as I've said its an experience worth trying. However, ultimately the saying goes, 'Home is where the heart is' and mine for certain is in Yorkshire, thats where I want to be and I make no apology for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 MEN in Western Australia are the worst affected from the current economic climate as the predominantly male-dominated mining industry declines. Man drought over as WA men are hit hard by recession Says ONE newspaper report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THORPES Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Wow what a thread this turned into. OK, this is was posted purely as my own personal view and experience of this venture. I know some take exception to my comments but on a realistic level, Australia is not for everyone to work and live and that number includes myself. We took the plunge to try the life and there's just too much of the UK that we miss which includes family and friends. The holiday feeling that Australia gives is brilliant and there's lots to experience but to work and live, it simply not for us but thats not to say everyone will feel as we do. For me personally the holiday feeling has evaporated. Australia has negatives as well as positives and to portray it as Utopia without fault is wrong. The whole point of the forum is for people to exchange positive and negative aspects of such a massive move. We didn't expect Britain with beaches, just simply to see if we would fit into the lifestyle and we're finding it difficult. The wife is stir crazy at home, the kids miss friends and family, I'm bored and stagnant at work and the longer we stay the less we're enjoying it but we'll make the best of it all until the contract expires. I'd endorse anyone to give it a go because you never know, this place may be for you and as I've said its an experience worth trying. However, ultimately the saying goes, 'Home is where the heart is' and mine for certain is in Yorkshire, thats where I want to be and I make no apology for it. I for one agree with everything you have said. We only lasted a month and realised it wasnt for us. I wasnt homesick or missing family or friends, I just didnt think Australia was that great IMO. :shocked: Ive not posted a thread on here about our experience and views, because I know I will be slated. Some people on this forum do not like to hear negative views about Australia or anything they dont agree on. Good luck for the future. Jill xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest earlswood Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I for one agree with everything you have said.We only lasted a month and realised it wasnt for us. I wasnt homesick or missing family or friends, I just didnt think Australia was that great IMO. :shocked: Ive not posted a thread on here about our experience and views, because I know I will be slated. Some people on this forum do not like to hear negative views about Australia or anything they dont agree on. Good luck for the future. Jill xxx Post away and dont worry, you have done it and your experiences are gold-dust .....it is a great forum and it definatly helps getting the negatives as well as the positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guruju Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I fIve not posted a thread on here about our experience and views, because I know I will be slated. Some people on this forum do not like to hear negative views about Australia or anything they dont agree on. Good luck for the future. Jill xxx Hi Jill I think you should post as it may help others whom are uncertain about things - the only things that annoy people, that I have seen on this site, is if people generalize instead of being specific example Australians are [insert negative here] ...statements, instead of perhaps being more specific, such as I have found people in my street don't seem to have much time to socialise and I miss the family network and support I had back in the UK. I think if you focus on the issues and its not over emotive towards a person, race or group of people, it would be fine. Cheers Julia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Some people on this forum do not like to hear negative views about Australia or anything they dont agree on.Good luck for the future. Jill xxx I for one would love to see you post your experiences. The only people I see getting slated are those who post negatives without having actually experienced what they write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fatpom Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I for one would love to see you post your experiences.The only people I see getting slated are those who post negatives without having actually experienced what they write about. Having read quite a few of your comments over recent months I have just one question. Just how extensive is your knowledge of Australia???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest earlswood Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I for one would love to see you post your experiences.The only people I see getting slated are those who post negatives without having actually experienced what they write about. Spot on, this is why I said the thread "11 reasons to leave the UK" was a bad thread as it was just Daily Mail rantings and the poster had not personally experienced those things he pasted from the Daily Mail.....it must be what YOU have actually seen and experienced to be a good thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Having read quite a few of your comments over recent months I have just one question. Just how extensive is your knowledge of Australia???? In which discipline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kangaroo.bruce Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Post away and dont worry, you have done it and your experiences are gold-dust .....it is a great forum and it definatly helps getting the negatives as well as the positives. you'd know about the negatives wouldn't ya earlsy :biglaugh: not many possitives though by all accounts :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kangaroo.bruce Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 i came back from another hol in oz 2 weeks ago and was offered more work there in the 3 weeks than i've been offered here in the last 12 months !!!!!!!! yeh i think you're right england hasn't been hit as hard as oz yet and i think i'll stay here :twitcy::biglaugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheArmChairDetective Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 ...it must be what YOU have actually seen and experienced to be a good thread. Indeed, and I look forward to you posting something after YOU have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest treesea Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If you stay in Australia for a few years, when you do come home you might find, as we have, that there is a lot to miss about Australia. Things like SBS, authentic South East Asian food, decent European style coffee everywhere - it's getting better here, but still not the norm the way it is in Australia - gelato, authentic Italian food, Aussie rules football, (its on late at night here, on Sky, but just not the same atmosphere as when you live in Melbourne...), the cricket, (every now and then I get a hankering to go and see a one day international; Scotland really isn't the place for cricket, lol), Kettle chips (Walkers don't really taste as good, imo....). Even the fish. All the years we were in Australia, every now and then I fancied some cod. Now we are here, yumming away on cod, I miss flake (shark) and blue grenadier. Having said all that, I definitely don't miss the weather or insects. I much prefer the cool, sunny, insect free version of weather we get up here in Scotland. We need a different method of travel between the UK and Australia. Planes are too expensive and take too long. Some way of travelling which would only take a couple of hours from Edinburgh/London to Sydney/Melbourne and only cost around £40 each way sounds about right...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perth Princess Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Wow what a thread this turned into. OK, this is was posted purely as my own personal view and experience of this venture. I know some take exception to my comments but on a realistic level, Australia is not for everyone to work and live and that number includes myself. We took the plunge to try the life and there's just too much of the UK that we miss which includes family and friends. The holiday feeling that Australia gives is brilliant and there's lots to experience but to work and live, it simply not for us but thats not to say everyone will feel as we do. For me personally the holiday feeling has evaporated. Australia has negatives as well as positives and to portray it as Utopia without fault is wrong. The whole point of the forum is for people to exchange positive and negative aspects of such a massive move. We didn't expect Britain with beaches, just simply to see if we would fit into the lifestyle and we're finding it difficult. The wife is stir crazy at home, the kids miss friends and family, I'm bored and stagnant at work and the longer we stay the less we're enjoying it but we'll make the best of it all until the contract expires. I'd endorse anyone to give it a go because you never know, this place may be for you and as I've said its an experience worth trying. However, ultimately the saying goes, 'Home is where the heart is' and mine for certain is in Yorkshire, thats where I want to be and I make no apology for it. I feel exactly the same as you. We have been in perth for 4 months now and I've been thinking that maybe my feelings are just part of the settling in period, but it's not getting any easier. I have to say that perth is lovely, a great place which offers a great lifestyle for some. However, it will never be home to me. My husband and I are both disappointed in different apects of work, they are behind the times in lots of areas. Childcare here is non-existant, although to be fair I think that may be because of the suburb we live in.This is making it almost impossible for me to work at all. I am very disappointed in the education here which is my biggest concern as I feel that if we don't get back to the UK soon my kids may have difficulty in catching up. I would love to go back home at the end of the year but we can only do this if we can secure jobs so a lot will depend on the recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olly Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If you stay in Australia for a few years, when you do come home you might find, as we have, that there is a lot to miss about Australia. Things like SBS, authentic South East Asian food, decent European style coffee everywhere - it's getting better here, but still not the norm the way it is in Australia - gelato, authentic Italian food, Aussie rules football, (its on late at night here, on Sky, but just not the same atmosphere as when you live in Melbourne...), the cricket, (every now and then I get a hankering to go and see a one day international; Scotland really isn't the place for cricket, lol), Kettle chips (Walkers don't really taste as good, imo....). Even the fish. All the years we were in Australia, every now and then I fancied some cod. Now we are here, yumming away on cod, I miss flake (shark) and blue grenadier. Having said all that, I definitely don't miss the weather or insects. I much prefer the cool, sunny, insect free version of weather we get up here in Scotland. We need a different method of travel between the UK and Australia. Planes are too expensive and take too long. Some way of travelling which would only take a couple of hours from Edinburgh/London to Sydney/Melbourne and only cost around £40 each way sounds about right...... Thankyou Treesa, we can only dream about the day when that will come. That trip does my head in, I'm sure some will agree, and you always seem to get held up for some reason, so it is sometimes 27-30hrs not 23. Hope you are enjoying your life in Scotland, lovely place it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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