jameserob Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Can anyone help me? It’s just been announced that it’s likely all 482 occupations on the short term list will be eligible for pathway to PR if you were in Australia during the pandemic. I’m sponsored as a Recruitment Consultant and I have over 9 years experience in the role, however I have no qualification. The VETAASSES website is saying you need a minimum Bachelor Degree in a relevant field. If you don’t have a relevant Degree, then any Degree will count as long as you have 1 years experience on top of that. This is absolutely crazy. So someone with an unrelated Degree such as Islamic studies, and 1 years work experience in Recruitment is eligible for PR in my occupation, but me who has over 9 years experience is not. Can someone help and advise me if there’s any way around this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausvisitor Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Australia wants highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. It has no obligation to offer you a visa just because you want one and you've lived here for a while, you need to be eligible like everyone else. In some professions (useful ones like plumbing) the qualifications don't explicitly require a degree but your job doesn't really fit into that "key-worker" definition Go to university would be one option do the course you referred to and then you'll be able to stay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) In some occupations, you can apply to have years of experience recognized as equivalent to a degree. So for instance, they might recognise 6 years' experience as being equivalent to a degree and then you still have 3 years to claim as experience. I have no idea whether that applies to your field or not, but worth checking. However as I'm sure you've encountered in your work, it's not unusual for people with degrees to be valued above people with real experience in a field. Edited November 26, 2021 by Marisawright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhand Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 So far it’s just press announcements. What they are suggesting is that any 482 concessions will be primarily for those working in health, hospitality and the regions. The devil will, as always, be in the detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameserob Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 23 hours ago, Ausvisitor said: Australia wants highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. It has no obligation to offer you a visa just because you want one and you've lived here for a while, you need to be eligible like everyone else. In some professions (useful ones like plumbing) the qualifications don't explicitly require a degree but your job doesn't really fit into that "key-worker" definition Go to university would be one option do the course you referred to and then you'll be able to stay... Wow, such a kind response. Do you think it’s right that someone with a Bachelor Degree in Islamic Studies (a Degree which is completely unrelated to my sponsored occupation, Recruitment Consultant) along with just 1 years experience, would be eligible to pass the Positive Skills Test and get PR over me, someone who has worked in Recruitment for nearly 10 years in both the U.K. and Australia, and has been through promotions and works in a managerial position? If myself and this person were put in the same office, I’d be teaching them, yet they’re deemed as more “qualified”. Your response was horrible. I was asking for help in what is an extremely difficult and unfair situation. There are thousands and thousands of migrants out here in similar situations. As for your comment about me going to University, why would I pay $90,000 to do this when a Degree in recruitment doesn’t even exist?! That’s how crazy it is. I wouldn’t risk it anyway, as the way migration works out here they would probably change the goal posts again. Your response was extremely nasty and condescending. There are extremely experienced and qualified migrants who have lived out here for over 13 years, yet due to the constant changing of the goal posts, they still don’t have PR. It’s playing with peoples mental health. People have given a lot to the country and and made their home here. How can you tell someone that their skills aren’t needed when you’ve given them a visa for 4 years? Or even worse allowed them to work in an occupation for over 10 years? There’s many, many people stuck in this situation and it’s disgusting. Australia is an incredible and beautiful country, but migrants are treated appallingly. Have some respect. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, jameserob said: There are extremely experienced and qualified migrants who have lived out here for over 13 years, yet due to the constant changing of the goal posts, they still don’t have PR. It’s playing with peoples mental health. I have every sympathy with people who are highly experienced and who miss out on jobs because some greenhorn with a degree is valued above them. Seen it happen often and it's unfair. However, I have no sympathy with anyone who's been living in Australia on temp visas for 13 years. Let's be honest, by the time anyone has been living in Australia on temp visas for 5 or 6 years, they know full well that they've got no chance they'll ever get PR. If they think otherwise, they're living on dreams. So if they decide to stay on precarious temp visas, it's 100% their choice to put themselves in that situation. Unless they're from a war-torn third-world country, they could go home any time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausvisitor Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 27/11/2021 at 05:07, jameserob said: Wow, such a kind response. Do you think it’s right that someone with a Bachelor Degree in Islamic Studies (a Degree which is completely unrelated to my sponsored occupation, Recruitment Consultant) along with just 1 years experience, would be eligible to pass the Positive Skills Test and get PR over me, someone who has worked in Recruitment for nearly 10 years in both the U.K. and Australia, and has been through promotions and works in a managerial position? If myself and this person were put in the same office, I’d be teaching them, yet they’re deemed as more “qualified”. Your response was horrible. I was asking for help in what is an extremely difficult and unfair situation. There are thousands and thousands of migrants out here in similar situations. As for your comment about me going to University, why would I pay $90,000 to do this when a Degree in recruitment doesn’t even exist?! That’s how crazy it is. I wouldn’t risk it anyway, as the way migration works out here they would probably change the goal posts again. Your response was extremely nasty and condescending. There are extremely experienced and qualified migrants who have lived out here for over 13 years, yet due to the constant changing of the goal posts, they still don’t have PR. It’s playing with peoples mental health. People have given a lot to the country and and made their home here. How can you tell someone that their skills aren’t needed when you’ve given them a visa for 4 years? Or even worse allowed them to work in an occupation for over 10 years? There’s many, many people stuck in this situation and it’s disgusting. Australia is an incredible and beautiful country, but migrants are treated appallingly. Have some respect. The visa rules were the same when you first came as they are now (that you needed a degree for PR in your role) So really you are just angry at the process and have gotten upset at me highlighting the fact that in Australia's eyes you aren't wanted unless you have a degree (in your role). It's not fair but it is a fact 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 27/11/2021 at 16:46, Marisawright said: I have every sympathy with people who are highly experienced and who miss out on jobs because some greenhorn with a degree is valued above them. Seen it happen often and it's unfair. However, I have no sympathy with anyone who's been living in Australia on temp visas for 13 years. Let's be honest, by the time anyone has been living in Australia on temp visas for 5 or 6 years, they know full well that they've got no chance they'll ever get PR. If they think otherwise, they're living on dreams. So if they decide to stay on precarious temp visas, it's 100% their choice to put themselves in that situation. Unless they're from a war-torn third-world country, they could go home any time. Luckily my son who was affected by the retrospective overnight visa changes by the labor government to correctly lodged student visa applications for PR, did stick it out on a temporary bridging visa for 31/2 years, after studying up to a masters degree for 3 years, He did get PR. it took 61/2 years on a temporary visa of insecurity with not much chance to gain PR,. So people do stay here on temporary visas for a long time, hoping possibly unrealistically to gain PR. I appreciate that the OP sadly might not be in a position to get PR, and it’s ok to to point out that PR is not possible, but there was nothing wrong in him reaching out to seek any help, and it never hurts to show understanding to someone’s situation, when offering advice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Flu Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 26/11/2021 at 13:10, Ausvisitor said: Australia wants highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. It has no obligation to offer you a visa just because you want one and you've lived here for a while, you need to be eligible like everyone else. In some professions (useful ones like plumbing) the qualifications don't explicitly require a degree but your job doesn't really fit into that "key-worker" definition Go to university would be one option do the course you referred to and then you'll be able to stay... Well actually many are not that highly skilled that gain entry. At the same time others are in roles well under their qualification and many are treated appallingly. Some may call modern day slaves with little opportunity to rectify their situation. Such an outcome is bound to result with turbo immigration that has been the policy over the past several years. Certain lobby groups with a direct influence on government have an over influence on policy to which by all appearances little can be done. But university while a key recruitment ground of our immigration policy (back door immigration) does not ensure the best by any means , but such measures does ensure a brake on wage growth and an over 'educated' work force doing more manual tasks which would be less likely to be accepted by home grown degree holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Blue Flu said: Well actually many are not that highly skilled that gain entry. At the same time others are in roles well under their qualification and many are treated appallingly. Some may call modern day slaves with little opportunity to rectify their situation. I think you're talking about temporary visa holders, who are bound to their employers, not PR holders? Temporary visa holders are not migrants, they are in Australia for a work contract. It's regrettable that people refer to them as migrants as it encourages the myth that their temp visa is a solid pathway to permanency, and they are therefore willing to put up with bad conditions and poor pay because they naively think it's a means to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Flu Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Marisawright said: I think you're talking about temporary visa holders, who are bound to their employers, not PR holders? Temporary visa holders are not migrants, they are in Australia for a work contract. It's regrettable that people refer to them as migrants as it encourages the myth that their temp visa is a solid pathway to permanency, and they are therefore willing to put up with bad conditions and poor pay because they naively think it's a means to an end. No not only temps actually. Australia has been running a rather low skilled immigration program for some time. Many recruited for their 'expertise' ended up working in low skilled areas , often through no fault of their own. There just wasn't the need or nobody would employ them in so termed areas of expertise. Just how many taxi drivers were engineers and so forth ? The program does not insist the person supposedly filling in a position where shortages are said to be, to actually have a job prior to landing., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewbty Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 26/11/2021 at 19:33, paulhand said: So far it’s just press announcements. What they are suggesting is that any 482 concessions will be primarily for those working in health, hospitality and the regions. The devil will, as always, be in the detail. Does anybody know the number of people who are currently primary 482 visa holders in Aus? The ministers statement specifically mentions that this could affect 20,000 482 visa holders https://minister.homeaffairs.gov.au/AlexHawke/Pages/visa-changes-to-support-the-reopening-of-australia.aspx “There are currently about 20,000 primary Temporary Skill Shortage and 457 visa holders in Australia who may benefit from these arrangements. Most of these workers are employed in the highest-skilled occupations and the largest cohorts of workers benefiting from these changes include those currently employed in the health and hospitality industries, including many workers in regional Australia,” Minister Hawke said. I have been reading some speculation that the tail of this statement could be interpreted literally, and it only applying to e.g.. nurses and people who work as ''chefs'' in restaurants so they qualified for 482, but it seems to me that the question can be answered best by the numbers. e.g. if there are 40,000 primary 482 holders currently in Australia then it will only apply to a slice. If there are ~20,000, it will apply to all of them. Judging by this - https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-stats/files/temp-res-skilled-quarterly-report-311221.pdf nurses and people in hospitality only make up a small part of the temp skilled visa allocations. I certainly don't think the number of primary 482 visa holders in ''politically friendly pandemic occupations'' would be near 20,000 so my prediction is that it will be all primary 482 holders which were granted between X and Y date (during the pandemic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewbty Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 27/11/2021 at 17:46, Marisawright said: I have every sympathy with people who are highly experienced and who miss out on jobs because some greenhorn with a degree is valued above them. Seen it happen often and it's unfair. However, I have no sympathy with anyone who's been living in Australia on temp visas for 13 years. Let's be honest, by the time anyone has been living in Australia on temp visas for 5 or 6 years, they know full well that they've got no chance they'll ever get PR. If they think otherwise, they're living on dreams. So if they decide to stay on precarious temp visas, it's 100% their choice to put themselves in that situation. Unless they're from a war-torn third-world country, they could go home any time. You're missing an important variable. Change in government/goalposts moving. Lots of temp skilled visa holders want to remain as such for as long as possible as if they go permanent they can no longer claim their Super early if they decide to move back home. The introduction of the STSOL changed this for lots of people (including me). In my situation I've been here 9 years always on 457/now 482 visas. I was made redundant twice (once by a takeover and once by COVID) both times as I was approaching the 2 years I required to be with the same company. Now I'm stuck on a 482 no permanent pathway visa with 1 further renewal available. I'm holding out for positive news from Alex Hawke announcement and/or a Labor win this federal election (which will almost certainly move the goalposts back to where they were at a minimum) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameserob Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Well, On 26/11/2021 at 16:10, Ausvisitor said: Australia wants highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. It has no obligation to offer you a visa just because you want one and you've lived here for a while, you need to be eligible like everyone else. In some professions (useful ones like plumbing) the qualifications don't explicitly require a degree but your job doesn't really fit into that "key-worker" definition Go to university would be one option do the course you referred to and then you'll be able to stay... Well, we’ll, well, seems like all occupations on the 482 short term list are now considered “useful”. PR here I come. Thanks so much for your useful advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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