FJRIJR Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I was wondering if anyone can advise what tests are carried out on children under 5 at the medical? I have a 2.5 year old who was born in Australia and is showing signs of developmental delay ( not socialising or responding to name, no words). He sees a speech therapist but we are holding out getting him assessed for ASD until we apply for PR. Our GP and paediatrician has advised just not to volunteer any information and to just bring along an iPad for him and say he’s shy. Just wondering what specifically the doctor will do or questions they ask and if it’s likely to be flagged? It’s such a huge cost to be rejected. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 You'd probably better not hide the fact that he sees a speech pathologist. They may well ask for a copy of any assessments the SP might have done and if the SP indicates that there is a below average communication skills then they may ask for a follow up. If you deliberately withhold information and that is discovered that could be an issue. The doctors arent stupid and developmental delays are an expensive area of concern so they will be keeping an eye out and a non verbal 2.5 year old could raise flags for them. Or you might just be super lucky and nobody mentions anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJRIJR Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Quoll said: You'd probably better not hide the fact that he sees a speech pathologist. They may well ask for a copy of any assessments the SP might have done and if the SP indicates that there is a below average communication skills then they may ask for a follow up. If you deliberately withhold information and that is discovered that could be an issue. The doctors arent stupid and developmental delays are an expensive area of concern so they will be keeping an eye out and a non verbal 2.5 year old could raise flags for them. Or you might just be super lucky and nobody mentions anything. Thank you Quoll, We certainly won’t lie if they ask any specific questions, we just didn’t plan on volunteering any information that may potentially cause refusal, especially as he has not had an official diagnosis. I guess we are just frustrated that our son will be given citizenship when he turns 10 as he was born here. Yet he may be refused PR now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip1 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, FJRIJR said: I was wondering if anyone can advise what tests are carried out on children under 5 at the medical? I have a 2.5 year old who was born in Australia and is showing signs of developmental delay ( not socialising or responding to name, no words). He sees a speech therapist but we are holding out getting him assessed for ASD until we apply for PR. Our GP and paediatrician has advised just not to volunteer any information and to just bring along an iPad for him and say he’s shy. Just wondering what specifically the doctor will do or questions they ask and if it’s likely to be flagged? It’s such a huge cost to be rejected. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated. I agree with Quoll, the doctors aren’t stupid. Whilst it’s ok not to volunteer information I’m sure you’ll be asked if you have any concerns and at that stage it will all come out. If your child isn’t socialising or responding to their name and has no speech it will be very clear to the doctor that things aren’t as they should be. It’s their job to look for such things. I don’t think an iPad and a bit of shyness will cut it. I don’t think you can really prepare because until you’re there you have no idea what will happen. It must be worrying times and I wish you the best of luck. If it is declined you may want to approach an agent to help with an appeal. Might not be a bad thing reaching out anyway. Edited December 30, 2020 by Tulip1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicF Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 19 hours ago, FJRIJR said: Thank you Quoll, We certainly won’t lie if they ask any specific questions, we just didn’t plan on volunteering any information that may potentially cause refusal, especially as he has not had an official diagnosis. I guess we are just frustrated that our son will be given citizenship when he turns 10 as he was born here. Yet he may be refused PR now. Why would your son be given citizenship when he turns 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJRIJR Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, NicF said: Why would your son be given citizenship when he turns 10? Because he was born here. If a child is born in Australia and lives here for 10 years the child becomes an Australian citizen on their 10th birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicF Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, FJRIJR said: Because he was born here. If a child is born in Australia and lives here for 10 years the child becomes an Australian citizen on their 10th birthday. I've never heard that before. Have you got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJRIJR Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, NicF said: I've never heard that before. Have you got a link? https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-text/eplus/Pages/elp-h0695.aspx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raddis0n Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, FJRIJR said: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-text/eplus/Pages/elp-h0695.aspx I wouldn't have believed the 10 years citizenship thing if I haven't seen the link you provided here. However, I doubt immigration would allow someone stay here that long without refusing a visa lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 19 hours ago, raddis0n said: I wouldn't have believed the 10 years citizenship thing if I haven't seen the link you provided here. However, I doubt immigration would allow someone stay here that long without refusing a visa lol. Actually it only says they need to "have lived most of their life in Australia". If we interpret most as being more than half then if they had their visa refused after they turned 5 they already have lived most of their first 10 years in Australia. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 30/12/2020 at 17:49, FJRIJR said: I was wondering if anyone can advise what tests are carried out on children under 5 at the medical? I have a 2.5 year old who was born in Australia and is showing signs of developmental delay ( not socialising or responding to name, no words). He sees a speech therapist but we are holding out getting him assessed for ASD until we apply for PR. Our GP and paediatrician has advised just not to volunteer any information and to just bring along an iPad for him and say he’s shy. Just wondering what specifically the doctor will do or questions they ask and if it’s likely to be flagged? It’s such a huge cost to be rejected. Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated. Our son was only 18 months old when he had his medical. The Doctor was happy just to observe him. The Doctor wasn't concerned at all about him being non-verbal (but obviously your child being a year older probably does make a difference) but was satisfied from the fact that he was interested in his environment and looking around the office. There aren't any tests as such that will confirm ASD (research into DNA is still on-going), it's purely based on observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 In our experience the tests on the children were perfunctory, and purely physical. The doctor pretty much just looked in their ears their eyes and checked knee reflexes. He didn’t ask them any questions at all and our children were older. 60 seconds exam if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDougster Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Pretty unlikely that this would get picked up in the medical. For our toddler it was a quick physical and temp check. However, I can't remember the screening questions that I had to answer for her but you'll get linked through to these when you make the appointments for your medicals. Be careful not to lie but it is amazing the things you sometimes forget when you fill out forms. I was completely open about my mental health problems and the hospital admission for depression that I had only a few months before the medical and it went through ok. It is all based on how much your son might cost the state. I think your plan is a good one. Good luck with it and Aus is a great place for bringing up kids so really hope it goes well for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJRIJR Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 01/01/2021 at 18:08, gaia said: In our experience the tests on the children were perfunctory, and purely physical. The doctor pretty much just looked in their ears their eyes and checked knee reflexes. He didn’t ask them any questions at all and our children were older. 60 seconds exam if that. Thank you Gaia, This sounds really promising. Do you remember if the doctor asks the parents general questions about the health of the children? I guess I am thinking that if they ask if he is showing any signs of developmental delay or not hitting general milestones then we would be obliged to tell them about the speech therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDougster Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 20:59, FJRIJR said: Thank you Gaia, This sounds really promising. Do you remember if the doctor asks the parents general questions about the health of the children? I guess I am thinking that if they ask if he is showing any signs of developmental delay or not hitting general milestones then we would be obliged to tell them about the speech therapy. They didn't ask my wife (who she went in with) any questions about our toddler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southlander Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Ours were done in the UK, and as we had minors we were asked to sign, complete pre-medical forms for them. Among the many questions, one directly asks if they have/display any physical or mental conditions that will inhibit them to function without help which includes global development delay. This is a straight yes no answer. If all tests are performed to an exacting standard, this is where it will be assessed. Unfortunately I cannot seen how this element will be ignored and you just have to go through with it or make other plans. On another note I was aware about the 10 year rule for a child born in oz, but cannot see how you get to stay in australia for 10 years on temp visas, so that would be an extremely long shot... All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJRIJR Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Southlander said: Ours were done in the UK, and as we had minors we were asked to sign, complete pre-medical forms for them. Among the many questions, one directly asks if they have/display any physical or mental conditions that will inhibit them to function without help which includes global development delay. This is a straight yes no answer. If all tests are performed to an exacting standard, this is where it will be assessed. Unfortunately I cannot seen how this element will be ignored and you just have to go through with it or make other plans. On another note I was aware about the 10 year rule for a child born in oz, but cannot see how you get to stay in australia for 10 years on temp visas, so that would be an extremely long shot... All the best. Thank you, Yes it seems if this question is included in a premedical then we will have to disclose our concerns. As his father is a New Zealand citizen, my child is on a NZ scv (temp visa). This would mean that he can stay in Aus indefinitely and will be granted citizenship when turns 10. However without PR he is not entitled to support should he end up with an ASD diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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