Gylfi Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Hi Guys I am new on here and a little overwhelmed with the volume of information so apologies if this has already been covered. As a management accountant with 65 points and about to turn 45 this year I am running out of options, the only one I am aware of being 489 state sponsorship from NT. If I am successful can I still live for 2 years and work for 1 year in, say South Australia which is classed as a regional area, and still satisfy the requirements of the 887 without having ever lived in NT? I am unclear whether the obligation to live and work in your sponsored state is a moral or statutory requirement to obtain permanent residency later on? My biological clock is ticking so any help would be greatly appreciated Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 No. It used to be much more lax, but states are now being serious about it and people are getting visas cancelled for visa fraud for failing to live in the sponsoring state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gylfi Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Yikes, thanks for the reply. Didn't realise it was getting so serious and I hadn't heard of visa's being cancelled :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivCdn Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The question it will boil down to is: “Did you have an intention of moving to NT at time of your application/your arrival?” If one applied to a region knowing full well they wouldn’t live there, then that’s not good. Also not fair to those who don’t just apply to an area other than the one they desire, for the sole reason of getting into the country. Besides, two years there is nothing - especially considering this may be your only option due to age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 22/01/2019 at 03:30, Gylfi said: As a management accountant with 65 points and about to turn 45 this year I am running out of options, the only one I am aware of being 489 state sponsorship from NT. If I am successful can I still live for 2 years and work for 1 year in, say South Australia which is classed as a regional area, and still satisfy the requirements of the 887 without having ever lived in NT? I am unclear whether the obligation to live and work in your sponsored state is a moral or statutory requirement to obtain permanent residency later on? At the moment, it's a moral obligation only, so theoretically you could get away with what you propose. However, as others have said, the states are heartily sick of sponsoring people, only to find they never turn up. We've heard whispers that NSW has started cancelling such visas, though some people question whether the states have a legal right to do so. Whether it's true or not, the bad news is that it's likely to be true by the time you get here. There is a groundswell of public anxiety about the number of migrants crowding into our major cities, so the government is talking about making it compulsory for new migrants to stay in their sponsored region for at least two years, or their visa will be cancelled. The current government may not last long enough to pass the legislation - but given the public mood, I think it's likely the new incumbent would implement it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittyGibbo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I would also comment - as I am looking at a NT 489 visa sponsorship - that if I was part of the governing body, I wouldn't be happy if I put all the effort into sponsoring someone for them to not even help the local community. If you don't intend to live in the NT then your commitment you have to submit would essentially be all lies. And that isn't cool. Darwin is not that bad a city! And 2 years will fly by and then you can move where-ever Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlast Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 17/02/2019 at 01:26, Marisawright said: At the moment, it's a moral obligation only, so theoretically you could get away with what you propose. This might be the case for the 190 but not for the 489/887. It is an actual requirement to work in your specified area and meet the conditions of the requisite visa https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-regional-887 You must hold an eligible visa have lived for at least 2 years and worked full time for at least 1 year in a specified regional area have complied with the conditions of the eligible visa you hold or have held Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivCdn Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, JetBlast said: This might be the case for the 190 but not for the 489/887. It is an actual requirement to work in your specified area and meet the conditions of the requisite visa https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-regional-887 You must hold an eligible visa have lived for at least 2 years and worked full time for at least 1 year in a specified regional area have complied with the conditions of the eligible visa you hold or have held Point me to the condition that states one must live and work in the nominating region. A 489 holder has to lived in ANY of the following regions to be eligible for a 887: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-regional-887/regional-postcodes Now, does the moral obligation made to that region at the time of application come into play during a citizenship application if those are leaving without permission? That’s the key question. I guess an interesting thing is that one region goes as far as saying that a release letter is not required. http://www.rdani.org.au/skilled-migration/skilled-regional-nsw-sponsorship.php Morally, think it would still boil down to whether or not one intended to work and live ina region for two years at the time of application/grant. Edited March 14, 2019 by CivCdn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, CivCdn said: Point me to the condition that states one must live and work in the nominating region. A 489 holder has to lived in ANY of the following regions to be eligible for a 887: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-listing/skilled-regional-887/regional-postcodes Now, does the moral obligation made to that region at the time of application come into play during a citizenship application if those are leaving without permission? That’s the key question. I guess an interesting thing is that one region goes as far as saying that a release letter is not required. http://www.rdani.org.au/skilled-migration/skilled-regional-nsw-sponsorship.php Morally, think it would still boil down to whether or not one intended to work and live ina region for two years at the time of application/grant. What about that word “specified”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivCdn Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marisawright said: What about that word “specified”? That refers to those regions specified in the table I had quoted. The 489 grant letter does not mention anywhere the region that sponsored the visa, only that the holder must have lived in a specified low population growth area. Look up the condition imposed on the 489, condition 8539. Edited March 14, 2019 by CivCdn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlast Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Even if there is a loophole (not saying there is) it doesn't mean it should be abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivCdn Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 hours ago, JetBlast said: Even if there is a loophole (not saying there is) it doesn't mean it should be abused. Yup, unfortunately too many already have used it for the sole purpose of entry into the country without any intention of living in the sponsored state. This is why some states are now hesitant to issue a 190 over a 489. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFC1975 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Darwin is great place to live try it We’ve just done our 2 years & applied for PR in February We were conscious of doing our 2 years in the NT so we ticked all boxes When you apply for your 489 visa you have to do a commitment statement for the NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilda Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) I'm on a 489 in Tasmania. I was sponsored by Tassie to be here and work here, I've been working in the health service for 2 years on a mixture of a WHV, then a bridging visa and will have held my 489 for 1 year next week. I don't think it's fair to get a state to sponsor you and not intend to stay the 2 years. I don't think that's right. I'm very lucky in the respect that I love Tasmania, I'm having a ball. I was able to secure employment in my specialised field and I couldn't imagine not meeting my obligations, so I realise there's an element of luck in that. But, it just feels wrong to say I'm going to do something and not actually follow through. I'm not sure what the law says, but morally, if I bailed to another part of Australia, Tasmania would well be within their rights to tell me where to get off. Edited March 27, 2019 by annagilda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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