ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Please forgive me for all the questions I am about to ask. To give you some background I am 30 in March whilst my wife is 30 in October. We are married, homeowners without any debt except student loan fees. I have a degree in Criminology and sociology and she has a master in criminal investigation and we have both been employed for 5 years in a UK constabulary, I as an intelligence researcher and my wife as a crime scene investigator. Neither of these jobs are on the occupation list for a 189 (the skilled visor if I have the wrong number!) but for the state sponsored 190 'emergency worker' is listed on some states lists. Each of is get well over 60 points. Are we flogging a dead horse or is there hope for the 190? I would like to think I have more transferable skills and would contribute more than say a hairdresser which I believe may be on the list (no disrespect aimed at hairdressers there just find it strange that I could start up my own mobile hairdressers without qualifications no matter how bad I was, do it for 5 years then be deemed more desirable. Unless you need to prove you have qualifications!) If so only one of us needs to apply and I'm guessing my wife would have a stronger case due to her masters degree? For a 190 do you approach the state for sponsorship? From what I have read I don't think you do but as each state has a differing occupation list I was confused. If your application is accepted to you just sit and wait for a state to accept/approach your application? Once you have paid the £3800 fee does that mean you are pretty much a 'shoe in' to end up in Oz if nothing drastic changes? If accepted can you sit on your visa for a period of time until you get everything sorted? Do you apply for jobs on arrival or like the above do you stay in UK till finding employment? Or with it being state sponsored do they try and place you somewhere? Again apologies for all the questions. I have tried to make sense of the official site but it really isn't the easiest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chall77 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I was awarded a 190 last year and will try to help if I can. I did my own application with some great help from people on here. I don't think that there is any gaurentee of a visa but I don't think you'd be invited after an offer from the state of your choosing. You can sit on you visa for five years after validating it which requires a trip to Aus to activate the visa. With a 190 you will need to sort jobs yourself. Otherwise, start your EOI and go for it I guess? I'm no expert but hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 So before I apply do I contact states or do they wait for visa approval and pick people from a list? You reckon are skills and what not are suitable to make application? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chall77 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 If you're scoring enough points then start an EOI which is free and can be done here http://www.immi.gov.au/FAQs/Pages/how-do-i-lodge-an-expression-of-interest.aspx This will show you the way forward hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 You can't apply directly for a 190 visa. You must first submit an Expression of Interest (EOI) and can only apply for a visa after you are invited to do so. Before you can submit an EOI, you must have a least 60 points and a positive skills assessment for your occupation - you can't get an invitation until a state has agreed to sponsor you. For most states, you apply to the state for sponsorship either before or after you submit your EOI but for WA, you can't apply to them. Instead, they monitor all EOIs nominating WA and will contact you if they're willing to offer sponsorship. Your first step should be to work out if there's an eligible occupation appropriate to your qualifications and work background and then get skills assessment for that occupation - you've mentioned 'Emergency Worker 441211 but you'll need to make sure it really fits the bill (I have my doubts given the info you've provided). Check the Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations (ANZSCO) for job descriptions and required qualifications for each occupation and then contact the skills assessment authority for that occupation (listed in column 3 of the CSOL) - there's a link at the top of the CSOL to contact details for the various bodies. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1220.0Contents02006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1220.0&issue=2006&num=&view= ANZSCO listing for 441211 http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1220.0Contents02006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1220.0&issue=2006&num=&view= Complete ANZSCO to determine if there's an occupation better suited to your background. Maybe in the 2244 group http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/skilled-occupations-lists/csol.aspx The CSOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Cheers Ozmaniac, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Well it isn't looking great, although I have worked ever since I passed my degree and my job is degree related because it isn't on occupation list I haven't got a chance. Take it my only options are to split up with the wife and marry an Australian or re-train to be a flipping hairdresser and do that for a few years. Absolutely ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Not giving up. I cannot wrap my head around the job title's on the occupation list. I current work as a research/intelligence officer but through my organisation it is called a licensing officer. The description on the immi website is exactly what I do. How can I prove that this is the work I do if it has another job title or does it solely go down to the skills test? I also have experience as a community worker which I did for 2 years, 2 years ago? Is that something I could put down? My degree is in criminology and sociology so fairly relevant to both job titles. I don't want to waste £350 on the vetassess skillstest if I cannot prove I have been working in a certain role simply because it has a different title? Sorry about all the questions and my strops haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Sheeeeet I was looking at the consolidated skilled occupation list which I don't think is applicable for a 190 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Now I am really confused....... NT states that they will go for people (on 190) who match occupations on the consolidation occupation list yet the immi doesn't state that the 190 is suitable!? Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The occupation title means nothing at all, it's the ANZSCO job description for that occupation that determines the comparison. To be honest those skill sets/experience don't really lend themselves to skilled migration. That's just the way the system is. Rather than going round in circles and getting frustrated you could get an assessment with a Registered Migration Agent who can give you an opinion of your eligibility and a suitable pathway. Many offer the initial assessment service for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 That suits me, but how do you prove you have experience in said role if your current employer calls it something else? Also how do they relate your qualification to you occupation? It certainly is a funny system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The assessing authorities have their own guidelines regarding the relevance of qualifications (they don't always have to be relevant) and they look at the tasks/duties you perform, not the job title. There's so many factors involved, that's why it's easier to consult with an agent rather than go back and forth on a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieMay24 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I agree with Adam that you should look into a consultation with a Migration Agent. Have your job descriptions, your degree information, and do some advance research on the occupations, and then let the Migration Agent give you suggestions on what strategy would best achieve what you're looking for. Unfortunately there aren't visas for everyone as Australia has decided which skills are needed here and which aren't. If your occupation isn't on the list, it could be because there are already more than enough people here doing what you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raul Senise Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Proper research is required but taking a cursory look at your information, you occupation may fit into ANZSCO 224411. It is on the CSOL but currently only an off list occupation with South Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrussell Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 From what you have posted it should not be difficult for an experienced RMA (Registered Migration Agent) to put you on track. The RMAs who regularly post on this forum are all ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Have you tried applying directly to one of the state police forces? You might be in a lot more demand than you know. The WA police regularly recruit from the UK. Here's a link that might help http://www.afp.gov.au/jobs/faq/specialist-and-non-policing.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Have you tried applying directly to one of the state police forces? You might be in a lot more demand than you know. The WA police regularly recruit from the UK. Here's a link that might help http://www.afp.gov.au/jobs/faq/specialist-and-non-policing.aspx The link states AFP don't sponsor people for sponsorship or would having a job offer lead to a different visa application? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponyboy Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 Just to give you all an update. rather than bouncing backwards and forwards and getting constantly frustrated I decided to contact a few migration agents. 2-3 were terrible and basically said 'your occupation isn't on the list so apply for a temp permit' despite me explaining our skillset experience and qualifications. Anywho, gomatilda replied with an absolutely brilliant email detailing the process in depth yet in regards to our personal circumstance. Has anyone used them? Seems fairly positive for us to go down the state sponsored route for a community worker as it has been in demand. I read elsewhere that they get around 1200 visa's for that occupation (sound about right?) with very few people applying! Also explained it is best to apply for the 190 in July August as this is when they open their doors to potential applicants. Dunno why I didn't take you guys advice and contact them sooner! Apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieMay24 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Go Matilda is very well-regarded on this forum, as is their Managing Director, Alan Collett who posts on this forum regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Many people on this forum have used them and given positive reviews. I'm glad you've found clarity, I think your experience is a good example of the clear benefit of getting an initial assessment from an RMA, but also that there's different standards of service/advice that can be received so it's important to research the company you're dealing with. It's cost you nothing and you're in a much clearer position to move forwards from....I really don't know why more people do not do it as standard! All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebourvellec Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Go Matilda are well respected agent on the forum. @Alan Collett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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