adrian85 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hello! I am new to the forum although I have been eyeing the threads on here for years! This is my plan: Go to Sunshine Coast on a WHV (age 29) and try to secure a 457 visa as a fibrous plasterer (10 yrs of exp). I'm hoping this won't take longer then 6 months to secure so that I can send for my wife and son to join me on the 457 visa. I would appreciate any advice on this matter, any folks been in the same boat before where they transitioned from WHV to 457, how did it go? If I am able to secure a 457 visa what are my options for PR? Visa suggestions please! After being on the 457 visa for two yrs can I apply for residency regardless if my current employer will sponsor me for PR? Does this seem like a feasible plan? Open to suggestion and all help is welcomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozmaniac Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 That could be a viable proposition but a 457 is IMO, a dreadful visa for anyone with a family. You're not eligible for Family Tax Benefits or any assistance with childcare expenses which would make it very difficult for your wife to work unless your child of of school age and even then, it would be much harder. You'll find it very difficult to survive in Australia with no FTB and a stay at home partner. It's also very insecure for a family - if you lose or leave your job, you have only 90 days in which to find another sponsor or you must all leave the country. Also, you must then rely on your 457 employer to be willing and able to sponsor you for a permanent visa after 2 years - the progression to PR is not automatic and many people have been left high and dry when let down by an employer who promised sponsorship fro a permanent visa after 2 years. Consider this as an alternative... If you're fully qualified and have 10 years of post qualification experience, you would have a pretty good chance of being able to get an Independent 189 visa which is a permanent visa. You would need to do IELTS and score all 7s (or better still, all 8s) in order to get enough points but it would be well worth the effort because it has none of the drawbacks or restrictions of a 457. You can work in any occupation in any location for any employer and you already have PR. It's a no brainer if you can meet the skills assessment and points requirements. http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/189.aspx 189 visa http://www.tradesrecognitionaustralia.gov.au/Programs/Migration/Pages/default.aspx Skills assessment for a 189 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Agree with the above. I think your plan lacks a lot. Not only is a 457 not a good idea for a family - if you lose your job while on a 457 you only have 90 days to find another sponsor or you all have to leave the country. But finding a sponsor for your occupation would be very difficult. You would be far better looking at permanent migration visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casson35 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I came over last August on a working holiday visa. I was warned by a few people on the internet that I was taking a big risk and I didn't have a great plan. It's now 10 months on, I was offered a 457 after 2 months and I accepted after 6. Once I had decided to stay out here I started the ball rolling for a PR application and come September the 4th I will have enough points to apply and fingers crossed will have the visa by Christmas. I am single with no kids so I only have me to worry about if things go wrong. Don't ignore the people warning you off but don't let it put you off too much either. Its a bit of a risk but it may be the best risk you ever take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Trades can be very hard to be sponsored in, even if you find a willing company due to so many of them either employing staff on a casual basis, or having them as self employed. Something else to think about, what happens if you don't find a sponsor quickly? Your child is not permitted to be in the country while you are in a whv. Are you happy with potentially not seeing them for a year? I'd go with Ozmaniac's plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I came over last August on a working holiday visa. I was warned by a few people on the internet that I was taking a big risk and I didn't have a great plan. It's now 10 months on, I was offered a 457 after 2 months and I accepted after 6. Once I had decided to stay out here I started the ball rolling for a PR application and come September the 4th I will have enough points to apply and fingers crossed will have the visa by Christmas. I am single with no kids so I only have me to worry about if things go wrong. Don't ignore the people warning you off but don't let it put you off too much either. Its a bit of a risk but it may be the best risk you ever take Yeah it's different if your single with no kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jac2011 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I am not expert but I have also read from lots of partners who struggle to find any kind of work when they are on a 457 visa and therefore struggle from being at home and not making friends. Everything is possible and anything can work, but some apects are riskier and need more work than others. QLD is currently free from the school fee's of $5000 per year for 457 visa holders however other states keep introducing this at short notice, would this be a problem? If you know all the pitfalls prior and you are able to cope with that then ok. Just bare in mind, no benefits, potentially $5k in school fee's, potentially no work for your partner then could you survive for 2 years (18 months of the 457 visa and maybe 6 months to process PR) on just your salary alone? What would happen if you were to lose your job or you struggled to find enough work? Could you survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Grey Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hello!I am new to the forum although I have been eyeing the threads on here for years! This is my plan: Go to Sunshine Coast on a WHV (age 29) and try to secure a 457 visa as a fibrous plasterer (10 yrs of exp). I'm hoping this won't take longer then 6 months to secure so that I can send for my wife and son to join me on the 457 visa. I would appreciate any advice on this matter, any folks been in the same boat before where they transitioned from WHV to 457, how did it go? If I am able to secure a 457 visa what are my options for PR? Visa suggestions please! After being on the 457 visa for two yrs can I apply for residency regardless if my current employer will sponsor me for PR? Does this seem like a feasible plan? Open to suggestion and all help is welcomed! It really depends on your eligibility to obtain a positive skills assessment. You mentioned 10 years experience but haven't stated if you're formally qualified. If you are formally qualified and meet the required points benchmarks and other criteria, then an Independent Skilled Migration visa would be my recommended pathway. If you're not qualified then an assessment through TRA is not going to be possible and this means that an independent skilled migration visa or the direct entry stream of the ENS would not be an immediate option. You could look at an RPL course or similar to gain a qualification quickly, but we're going off on a tangent. If you're not eligible for a positive skills assessment then the WHV>457>ENS - TRT stream is an option but I'd echo the risk factors mentioned above. May I ask what your motivation was for exploring this route first over the 189? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian85 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 hi guys, thanks for your feedback much appreciated! it's good to hear from various people and get a feel for how the whole migration process may unfold. In our particular situation our son is 8 yrs old and would be in school freeing up some time for OH to work and help ease the lack of FTB. I am not formally qualified, no schooling completed for the skill just loads of eperience. We would be coming down with a decent amount of $ to put down for a home EVENTUALLY however that simply means that that money is to be kept aside and not to be burnt through.. only to be used in the event of an emergency.. i.e loss of job. I can see the risk involved with the 457 and that is exactly why I wanted to pick at everyones brains I know everyone is coming forward with the best of intention in trying to help us make a sound decision with the least amount of impact everyone makes a valid point! To confirm if on 457 visa your employer can only sponsor you for PR two yrs after working for them? After 2 yrs on a 457 visa is there any other visa I can apply for for PR independently from my 457 employer?? I was looking into doing online through SEEK their diploma of Building and Construction to add education to my CV and perhaps make me a more appealing candidate in general for a 457 visa or for work in site management (better pay ?) Would this help in securing a better paying job? I'm wondering if there is more demand in the trades or in the PM aspect. I.e should I complete this online diploma before moving to Oz or can do it and not in a hurry one day when we are down there living and all settled and I am looking to have my QLD renovator/contractor licence and a pay increase. I was told that for 189 the EOI / skillselect is hard to get and is only for more sophisticated professional i.e. doctors, engineers.. I do have 10 yrs of exp. I am great at what I do and love doing it. I would have to do RPL ( would have to look into how to go about it ) and as for the English I have a Canadian passport so I think I might even be exempt of IELTs. The processing time for this visa seems to be 3 months? That seems way to quick? Would the diploma i mention above be of any help in securing the 189? Also since I have your attention any chance anyone would know if work is going well ATM in sunshine Coast? I hear residential and commercial building has picked up and of course that is exactly what I would need to help secure a job/ sponsor. Also what salary could be expected? I've heard mixed answers about this one as well. I would need to know if you can make a decent living off of tradie work as I do now in Toronto. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian85 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 congrats! Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian85 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 hi guys, thanks for your feedback much appreciated! it's good to hear from various people and get a feel for how the whole migration process may unfold. In our particular situation our son is 8 yrs old and would be in school freeing up some time for OH to work and help ease the lack of FTB. I am not formally qualified, no schooling completed for the skill just loads of eperience. We would be coming down with a decent amount of $ to put down for a home EVENTUALLY however that simply means that that money is to be kept aside and not to be burnt through.. only to be used in the event of an emergency.. i.e loss of job. I can see the risk involved with the 457 and that is exactly why I wanted to pick at everyones brains I know everyone is coming forward with the best of intention in trying to help us make a sound decision with the least amount of impact everyone makes a valid point! To confirm if on 457 visa your employer can only sponsor you for PR two yrs after working for them? After 2 yrs on a 457 visa is there any other visa I can apply for for PR independently from my 457 employer?? I was looking into doing online through SEEK their diploma of Building and Construction to add education to my CV and perhaps make me a more appealing candidate in general for a 457 visa or for work in site management (better pay ?) Would this help in securing a better paying job? I'm wondering if there is more demand in the trades or in the PM aspect. I.e should I complete this online diploma before moving to Oz or can do it and not in a hurry one day when we are down there living and all settled and I am looking to have my QLD renovator/contractor licence and a pay increase. I was told that for 189 the EOI / skillselect is hard to get and is only for more sophisticated professional i.e. doctors, engineers.. I do have 10 yrs of exp. I am great at what I do and love doing it. I would have to do RPL ( would have to look into how to go about it ) and as for the English I have a Canadian passport so I think I might even be exempt of IELTs. The processing time for this visa seems to be 3 months? That seems way to quick? Would the diploma i mention above be of any help in securing the 189? Also since I have your attention any chance anyone would know if work is going well ATM in sunshine Coast? I hear residential and commercial building has picked up and of course that is exactly what I would need to help secure a job/ sponsor. Also what salary could be expected? I've heard mixed answers about this one as well. I would need to know if you can make a decent living off of tradie work as I do now in Toronto. Cheers! CORRECTION: QLD BUILDER LICENCE***** not renovator/contractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian85 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Trades can be very hard to be sponsored in, even if you find a willing company due to so many of them either employing staff on a casual basis, or having them as self employed. Something else to think about, what happens if you don't find a sponsor quickly? Your child is not permitted to be in the country while you are in a whv. Are you happy with potentially not seeing them for a year? I'd go with Ozmaniac's plan. Hi Blossom 79, Thanks for your reply, I think about my son a lot when it comes to the WHV and I am glad you mentioned that because i was told that, my son cannot accompany me at anytime while i am on WHV. However, he can accompany my wife who will be responsible for him on a visitor visa. OH works for an airline and can come down and visit me with our son if like you said after 6 months nothing has been secured for 457 visa and i'm missing them badly by then... That does not mean i don't worry that DIBP might cause implications with this upon their arrival for a mini holiday...Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Yes, any holiday where he comes into the country could cause issues with you having broken your visa conditions. If he is with you it is broken. However, they don't always notice. Not sure I'd want to take the risk though. To be honest with you, the chance of you finding a willing (and more importantly, able) sponsor while on a whv is so small that I wouldn't be taking the risk at all. And I am someone who came over a very risky way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No. Your son can not come over accompanied by your wife. Yes, you would need to work for same employer for two years to be eligible for PR without doing the skills assessment. As blossom points out, it will be very hard to get sponsorship as most building trades are self employed which is not eligible for sponsorship. I would recommend you speak to a good migration agent to see if you can pass the skills assessment and apply for a skilled visa. Any of the agents who have commented on this thread would be suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian85 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Hi Adam sorry for late reply.. been real busy with the selling and moving of our home.. No formal qualification just the experience. I am interested in the 189 since it is what was suggested to me here on PIO even though i was told years ago when EOI came out that it was meant for really skilled/ stand out individuals, doctors i was told, not trades.. i reckon thats incorrect info given to me.. I would need a level 8 Ielts haven't tried a test yet to know where I stand. I would need a skills assessment (don't see a body that does one for Fibrous plasterer or a place in Canada to do the testing for that matter) I am on the SOL but when i look at TRA only carpenter (more closely associated to my trade) is listed not Fibrous plasterer. My sister lives in Perth and would obviously love to get the 489 visa instead but is that realistic? seems like only a few invites given out twice a month for the entire country?? or by state?? either way seems like I could be waiting forever for that.. Could still lodge the EOI, no harm in that but the likelihood of being invited is what? Ps. I won't have a canadian passport so therefore the WHV option is no more... huge backlog here with Canadian citizenship and we just don't care to stick around and wait here anymore, we want to get the ball rolling on the move to australia. My sister keeps telling me to come over on a student visa like she did just to be able to work legally and then get sponsored by an employer whether in Perth or Sunshine coast.. It's risky but it worked for her, that would get us over there by the end of this year. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Even for a 489 you would need a skills assessment. The student visa would be a even riskier option than a 457. First, you could only work 20 hours per week. Second, there are very few courses that would allow you to apply for PR on the basis of your new skill and getting sponsorship as a plasterer would be exceptionally hard. Most are self employed. I suggest you contact a good agent such as Go Matilda to get a strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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