paulv Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pablo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You're rambling. Try again Swerving again?you're not very good at this are you?is your main concern cost to the uk taxpayer,or do you simply not like migrants to the uk?straight answer pls,dont duck and dive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 I could think of plenty of more deserving causes for my tax money to go tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulv Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 That's the system of democracy we use. Do you expect a government to seek approval in every decision it makes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Of course not. I suppose that's why Labour are in opposition now and this government is trying to block these payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I could think of plenty of more deserving causes for my tax money to go tbh So its about cost to the uk tax payer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulv Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Of course not. I suppose that's why Labour are in opposition now and this government is trying to block these payments. Good luck with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 So its about cost to the uk tax payer then? Not just the tax payer. Don't you think the money would be better spent in this country ? say on tackling child poverty here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 It is an unfortunate consequence of a uuniversal benefit it seems. Would be surprised if any country's citizens would support paying a benefit to dependents living in another country. Being against this is not anti-immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 It is an unfortunate consequence of a uuniversal benefit it seems. Would be surprised if any country's citizens would support paying a benefit to dependents living in another country. Being against this is not anti-immigrant. The problem is that people are labelled as such if they hold those opinions. The main reason why so few comment on topics like these. Just have to see the personal attacks I've received, thinly veiled accusations of being racist, references to BNP personal information broadcast,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The problem is that people are labelled as such if they hold those opinions. The main reason why so few comment on topics like these. Just have to see the personal attacks I've received, thinly veiled accusations of being racist, references to BNP personal information broadcast,,, I try to avoid being personal on any debate but I sense that you quite enjoy it though Simmo. You are always courting controversy in these threads and dangling the bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 I try to avoid being personal on any debate but I sense that you quite enjoy it though Simmo. You are always courting controversy in these threads and dangling the bait. I do enjoy exposing people in their true light. Hypocrisy is one of my pet hates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I do enjoy exposing people in their true light. Hypocrisy is one of my pet hates. I am getting drawn in I know but I don't see much evidence of hypocrisy, just people with different views. The debates would be more interesting though if they didn't continuously degenerate into slanging matches or personal attacks. Once that happens I tend to lose interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think more would join in too, if it wasn't so hostile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulv Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Damn that political correctness. If only people who continually posted disparaging stories about ethnic minorities were not unfairly labelled as having an agenda - the world would be a much nicer place for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Damn that political correctness. If only people who continually posted disparaging stories about ethnic minorities were not unfairly labelled as having an agenda - the world would be a much nicer place for us all. Yep if only people would play the ball not the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metoo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just one question. If say the father is over in the UK and working and claiming child allowance for his children back in Poland. What's to stop the mother who is still in Poland also claiming child benefit for those same children in their own country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulv Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yep if only people would play the ball not the player. People do. They often provide facts, links to research etc that disprove the thrust of the links posted. Some people just can't handle the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Just one question. If say the father is over in the UK and working and claiming child allowance for his children back in Poland. What's to stop the mother who is still in Poland also claiming child benefit for those same children in their own country? Good point and this should not be limited to just Poland as it applies equally to any EU workers in the UK and we have large numbers from France for instance (though few are apparently claiming child benefit it seems). I suspect that many other countries in Europe do not have the equivalent of child benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfustu Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 lol....watched 5 mins of this....we know how to do comedy in this country....funny how a cpl of dumb puppets can keep you entertained and make you larf......:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The problem is that people are labelled as such if they hold those opinions. The main reason why so few comment on topics like these. Just have to see the personal attacks I've received, thinly veiled accusations of being racist, references to BNP personal information broadcast,,, I suppose because of the threads you post Simmo you have to expect that sort of response sad as it may be, but I am with you re the personal attacks, some of the two faced hypocrisy displayed by some is quite incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Not just the tax payer. Don't you think the money would be better spent in this country ? say on tackling child poverty here? There's billions going out the country every month to tax havens,yes i know its legal,borderline legal,having a concerted look into tax avoidance and evasion would top up the coffers to enable more to be spent on the poor kids,i'd like child poverty addressed tho yes,but theres 12 billion welfare cuts planned,i cant see that targeting these child benefits will redress the balance with 12 billion worth of cuts tho We're in the EU,so doubtful we can get out of it isnt it,i guess Cameron will have to look into it if it concerns him so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Not just the tax payer. Don't you think the money would be better spent in this country ? say on tackling child poverty here? Just out of interest which is more of an issue in your opinion simmo Eastern European immigration to the UK or child poverty in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradClark Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Doesn't matter if it's in the UK or in OZ, there will always be a sub-group of society that will try and milk the system for all it's worth. There will always be genuine people that need the payments though and those that don't need a kick up the bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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