Adam Grey

The immiaccount and skillselect is not designed to be used in that fashion, you can ask the DIBP why if you want to. Funnily enough they don't like to make things user friendly for agents, although I'm not sure how they could possibly benefit from discouraging people from trusting their application to a professional representative............

Hi Mr T, What are his intentions...Work? Travel? Holiday? Bit of everything? Short term? Long term? What's his occupation? His age? His nationality? Lots of factors, lots of options, lots of things to consider. The more info you give the more someone will be able to help you.

Nursing agency based in Randwick, NSW - http://www.247nursing.com.au/index.html Worth seeing if they have anything available themselves, if not I'm sure they'll point you in the right direction.

An 8 week turnaround is about right then.

Well look beyond just your own experience, understand the system, look at it from all sides and be in a position to inform them fully then. I hope you manage to resolve your situation and I hope people make their own informed judgements. I'm out.

I really can see where you're coming from, but if you saw it from the other side you'd realise how impractical it is to do what you're asking the agents to do. If every single aspect of every single issue had to be explained in detail, no applications would get lodged because the agent would spend all day answering queries. Even when clients are given explicit and detailed information they often respond with "but on a forum I read that......" and a great deal of time is then spent explaining in even more detail why that is in fact incorrect, or doesn't apply to their circumstance. Agents are meant to work in their clients best interests and as bizarre as it sounds that can often mean keeping them distanced from the application.

Fair enough. Feel free to do whatever you see fit.

I think I can take a wild guess that they are a company that rely very heavily on google adwords and underhand SEO tactics to draw people in. Probably a company that very recently changed trading names because the old trading name was barred. Avoidance was a good call if so. We already know the SOL isn't dropping any occupations after July 1st. Unsure about the CSOL, but it's unlikely this occupation will be removed IMO. The DIBP is very relaxed about the CSOL because the number of migrants tends to be regulated by the state sponsor lists and Australian employers. That's why occupations like wool classer or apiarist appear on there. Australia isn't about to get overrun with beekeepers because they can't apply independently, but should a business or a state have a real need for them...Boom there's the option to get them in. 190/457 might not even be the option for you anyway, it's worth getting an assessment from an RMA (a real human assessment, not an auto assessment) to see if there's something that's been missed.

I agree the agent should keep them updated, peace of mind is extremely important. Agents are obligated to give updates and that includes forwarding correspondence received from the DIBP. If he agent isn't doing that then by all means take issue with the agent. What I'm saying is applicants importing their applications into a separate immi account, or contacting the DIBP directly, or making a separate application etc etc can have an adverse effect on their application. You can't go around advocating something without knowing the implications.

Cissi, have you ever tried to get the DIBP to merge duplicate accounts? Tried to make sure the right HAP ID is used when an applicant duplicates it? The system is extremely buggy and has been since it began. It's quite frankly a complete pain in the backside when an applicant does this. If the OP wants an update I suggest the OP simply asks the agent, they are obliged to give one!

Accredited under the Washington or Sydney Accords?

Yep, agents lodge your application through their immi account. If you want a progress update, simply ask your agent for one. Unlike the advice above about the agent that doesn't know what he's doing, I would avoid importing your application to a newly created ImmiAccount. Duplicate accounts tend to create a whole heap of technical issues and I've personally spent many wasted hours and emails trying to resolve such issues with the DIBP.....Frustrating doesn't even cover it. :mad:

If what you're saying is correct and the company is registered with the MARA (they are obligated to display the MARA numbers of their agents on their website) I would report the unethical practice and avoid.

Many people on this forum have used them and given positive reviews. I'm glad you've found clarity, I think your experience is a good example of the clear benefit of getting an initial assessment from an RMA, but also that there's different standards of service/advice that can be received so it's important to research the company you're dealing with. It's cost you nothing and you're in a much clearer position to move forwards from....I really don't know why more people do not do it as standard! All the best,

I should point out as well to Barry that you're obligated to update the DIBP regarding the breakdown of the relationship. As pointed out above there are some instances where you can obtain your 801 visa even if the relationship broke down but unless these apply you may have to look at other independent routes.

On a grant notice, the validity period of a 309/820 visa now states "until notified of the decision of the 100/801 or the application is withdrawn". Usually applicants are chomping at the bit to complete their PR so this isn't something I've personally come across, and I don't have access to the regulations right now so can't confirm for sure, but it's reasonable to assume that it's the DIBPs responsibility to impose a time limitation on receiving documents and making a decision on the PR visa and if they don't the 309/820 will just keep running until that happens. Nobody take that as advice though.

This, this and this a million times. While forums are great for general advice and I'm sure everyone has the best of intentions, this "I did it, so you can to" or "It happened to me so it will happen to you" viewpoint that is seen so often is irresponsible. I've personally heard from many people who had applications rejected and lost thousands because they took advice from forums. One well respected agent who is often mentioned on here as an expert in health issues, wrote this week in a newsletter about how often he is contacted by applicants who were rejected after taking advice from forums. By all means give and get advice, but anyone who doesn't thoroughly research their own application before moving ahead or engage the services of a professional, is taking a huge leap of faith. That's not 'smooth talking', that's fact. OP - You make this 'straight from the horses mouth' argument because one more experience matches your viewpoint. What about the massive Oil & Gas projects that drive the Australian economy and rely on swiftly mobilising global workers with niche skills? How about the Air-con companies in the NT who cannot expand their business because despite months of advertising they don't receive any applications from Australians? What about the overseas businesses who wish to expand their operations into Australia? Or there's that applicant who couldn't afford PR independently, or like yourself those that can't meet the skills assessment criteria (though perhaps you should seek a professional opinion on that).......The 457 is happily used by thousands of people every year. Of course it doesn't give the same residency security of a PR visa, but to give this whole "beware, beware....It's a stich up......Companies are out to get you" rant is nonsense, especially when backed up by inaccurate statements. I'd hate to think of someone giving up a good opportunity or making wild demands based on what they've read here.

Market Rate evidence is a nomination requirement. To be fair a 457 applicant shouldn't be asked to get involved in that process at all, the employer should do it.

Good on ya. Don't panic if it takes a long while for them to acknowledge it, there's obviously been a big surge in applications recently and they were slow at acknowledging before that surge.

I'm not going to argue with you, the situation you're in is obviously upsetting but I see hundreds of 457/ENS applications every year and the way you've described it is a very blinkered opinion. - I see many Australians shown the door while 457 visa holders are retained. If you're going to the bottom of a list, or first out of the door that's the employer's decision - It's not an automatic result of the visa. - They DON'T always have to demonstrate they can't find an Australian - Read up on Labour Market Testing and don't believe everything you're told. - The way companies play it? Based on what...Your one specific example? I know some people that have happily been on 457 visas for years, I know some companies that bend over backwards trying to help their 457 visa holders obtain PR, and yes I know some that seem to have a revolving door employment policy. The 457 IS a temporary visa, it's meant to be used to meet temporary skill shortages, if employees aren't happy going onto a temporary visa then just apply for PR directly! Why should an employer make all kinds of commitments because you don't meet the criteria for a different PR visa? - ENS does not specifically tie the employer/employee together for two years, but there does have to be an offer of employment that is on-going for at least 2 years. - So in reverse, be a great employee and the employer will want you to stay! My point was you seem to have an issue with employer's 'using' 457 visa holders, but 457 visa holders are also guilty of using employers to get whatever they want too.

I can appreciate your frustration, but don't assume because it didn't work out for you it isn't a good option for others. - It's not a black mark on a CV - You don't automatically go to the bottom of the list - They don't always have to demonstrate they can't find an Australian for the position - You won't always be first out of the door in a downturn How is it a stitch up if they refuse to commit to PR sponsorship? For an ENS application there must be an offer of employment that's open and on-going for at least 2 years, so you believe it's a stitch up if an employer (before even getting to know you as a worker) doesn't specifically make a commitment for at least another 2 years of employment should you reach 2 years with them? Who is going to do that? It's hard enough for a foreign employee to get an offer of employment without them turning around and demanding extra commitments. On the other side many companies who employ 457 visa holders complain that they just stay with them until they qualify for PR and then leave. If people want a more secure visa status they can look at skilled migration or ENS - Direct Entry. You know what people say when given those options? "I can't afford it, so what about a 457?...Doesn't the company pay for that?"........It goes both ways. The 457 visa has plenty of flaws but it benefits a huge amount of migrants and Australian businesses.

189 is a completely different process to the 457, sounds like you're thoroughly researching everything though which is good. Work experience counts if it's relevant to the nominated occupation, full time, remunerated and at the required skill level. When starting out an apprentice would not be working at the required skill level.

The assessing authorities have their own guidelines regarding the relevance of qualifications (they don't always have to be relevant) and they look at the tasks/duties you perform, not the job title. There's so many factors involved, that's why it's easier to consult with an agent rather than go back and forth on a forum.

The occupation title means nothing at all, it's the ANZSCO job description for that occupation that determines the comparison. To be honest those skill sets/experience don't really lend themselves to skilled migration. That's just the way the system is. Rather than going round in circles and getting frustrated you could get an assessment with a Registered Migration Agent who can give you an opinion of your eligibility and a suitable pathway. Many offer the initial assessment service for free.

Different circumstances. Never assume your experience will be the same as another. From what the OP has written he is the holder of a temporary partner visa and has a new child born of the relationship with his sponsor. Provided he has joint custody of the child (which it's reasonable to assume he has) there is a provision to obtain the Permanent Partner visa even if the relationship breaks down. I always advocate people undertaking their own research and/or consulting with a Registered Migration Agent. Nobody should blindly follow any information given on a forum from me or anyone else.