trump takes britain

I feel like you need to allow yourself to come down on one side or other of the major questions of the day, it seems like you can always see both sides of the argument or are you just wanting to avoid the angst of having a position.

I do have to admit that when I saw the guy in the uniform marching up behind him during the inauguration, I had a brief flutter of hope that we may have another russian embassador to Turkey. But hey. I honestly don't think he will live past April, but then we have pence.

I think the problem here is that many people can't see both sides of the argument. The problems being addressed by brexit and Trump are real problems. Just like the problems faced by Germany ore ww2 were real problems. If Hitler had created Israel rather than gasing the Jews, and hadn't invaded Poland, he would be held up as a statesman. A saviour. Brexit and Trump have the power to do good. I have doubts obviously. But we are where we are, so let's hope. Then Bernie in four years and Michelle eight, and life should be less stressful.

 

I do have to admit that when I saw the guy in the uniform marching up behind him during the inauguration, I had a brief flutter of hope that we may have another russian embassador to Turkey. But hey. I honestly don't think he will live past April, but then we have pence.

I can see the attraction of taking a detached view of the issues and a long term view, but there are real consequences from brexit and Trump which it will not be able to be unwound, once the NHS is privatised it will be like the railways it will never come back, once industries leave the UK they will not come back, useless one sided trade agreements will leave the UK fatally wounded and a vassall state.

If Trump lets Russia retake the Balkans and encourages Israel to attack Iran or confronts Nth Korea and recognises Taiwan then We will be in a different world, Trump seems likely to unleash American predatory capitalism on the rest of the world in order to boost the US, that is going to threaten any country which tries to protect their economy.

I think brexit and Trump are both potentially positive. They have both identified wrongs in society that need fixing. Obviously this appeals to a lot of people. They are both about returning control to the people who have been disenfranchised. In many ways they are sounding very socialist in their intentions. Taking money and power from the elite and returning it to the poor. I've never experienced living under a far right or a far left government. But we know from examples around the world that they do have their supporters. I guess only time will tell if they mean what they say. Because they are also potentially destructive if handled incorrectly.

Ditto the e.u in relation to the elites ...are you finally waking up ? The powers that be in the e.u and Washington are screwing the ordinary man over .

The American dream is over ...until someone changes it .

Grow up ..job ...marriage ...mortgage ...is a dream now for most ...its unattainable .

Even in the new world

Ask yourself ...why is that ?

The big ship has to be turned around ...a massive job ...china is on notice ...saudi Arabia is on notice

I can see the attraction of taking a detached view of the issues and a long term view, but there are real consequences from brexit and Trump which it will not be able to be unwound, once the NHS is privatised it will be like the railways it will never come back, once industries leave the UK they will not come back, useless one sided trade agreements will leave the UK fatally wounded and a vassall state.

If Trump lets Russia retake the Balkans and encourages Israel to attack Iran or confronts Nth Korea and recognises Taiwan then We will be in a different world, Trump seems likely to unleash American predatory capitalism on the rest of the world in order to boost the US, that is going to threaten any country which tries to protect their economy.

America doesn't need the rest of the world ...at its height it was self sustaining ...oil ...gas ...manufacturing for itself ...thats where its going under trump

MADE IN AMERICA will be seen once again

America doesn't need the rest of the world ...at its height it was self sustaining ...oil ...gas ...manufacturing for itself ...thats where its going under trump

MADE IN AMERICA will be seen once again

So no opportunities for the UK to export to the USA then in your view.

America doesn't need the rest of the world ...at its height it was self sustaining ...oil ...gas ...manufacturing for itself ...thats where its going under trump

MADE IN AMERICA will be seen once again

The USA was never self sustaining, it always relied on selling to overseas markets, it had to in order to expand its industries and its reliance on imported oil is why it keeps on with oil exploration and fracking to alter its dependence, it needs to expand its markets overseas so that it can expand its manufacturing base but in order to expand its manufacturing base it needs to update its outdated infrastructure and that will take time, so its easier to take over other economies.

Just reading the Chancellor's comments at Davos, blamed Blair for the immigration issue and is already talking about how the immigration tap can't be turned off and how we have to have the best and the brightest still coming to the UK but not the low skilled and unemployed, wonder how that is going to play for the likes of Mike Ashley and we still have the problems of picking agricultural produce.

So we are going to be out of the EU and immigration will still be in the 100,000s plus.

Maybe George Soros will be proved right, maybe May won't last long.

So no opportunities for the UK to export to the USA then in your view.

Oh yes ,as I said months and months ago ,the old alliances are coming back together .

Which will ultimately be good news for Australia .

But America doesn't need anyone .

Why do you think they are worlds biggest producer of oil and gas ( yes they are ) ,and they are stock piling it .

America can trade within itself and its chosen allies

The USA was never self sustaining, it always relied on selling to overseas markets, it had to in order to expand its industries and its reliance on imported oil is why it keeps on with oil exploration and fracking to alter its dependence, it needs to expand its markets overseas so that it can expand its manufacturing base but in order to expand its manufacturing base it needs to update its outdated infrastructure and that will take time, so its easier to take over other economies.

America is not going to be expanding into overseas markets .or starting wars to facilitate that expansion .

America will be concentrating on itself within its own borders .

I think there will be conflict ....isis and radical Islam is a fluid situation that will go on indefinitely .

But you wont see masses of u.s troops in the middle east like the gulf war .

Trump will use special forces for " in and out " missions on the quiet .

If major force is needed ,trump will use it without question .

I wouldn't bet against him .

Ditto the e.u in relation to the elites ...are you finally waking up ? The powers that be in the e.u and Washington are screwing the ordinary man over .

The American dream is over ...until someone changes it .

Grow up ..job ...marriage ...mortgage ...is a dream now for most ...its unattainable .

Even in the new world

Ask yourself ...why is that ?

 

The big ship has to be turned around ...a massive job ...china is on notice ...saudi Arabia is on notice

Just reading the Chancellor's comments at Davos, blamed Blair for the immigration issue and is already talking about how the immigration tap can't be turned off and how we have to have the best and the brightest still coming to the UK but not the low skilled and unemployed, wonder how that is going to play for the likes of Mike Ashley and we still have the problems of picking agricultural produce.

So we are going to be out of the EU and immigration will still be in the 100,000s plus.

Maybe George Soros will be proved right, maybe May won't last long.

America is not going to be expanding into overseas markets .or starting wars to facilitate that expansion .

America will be concentrating on itself within its own borders .

I think there will be conflict ....isis and radical Islam is a fluid situation that will go on indefinitely .

But you wont see masses of u.s troops in the middle east like the gulf war .

Trump will use special forces for " in and out " missions on the quiet .

If major force is needed ,trump will use it without question .

I wouldn't bet against him .

If no boots then it's going to be missiles and where do you think that is going to lead, or maybe it'll be like special forces and Grenada.

I'm yet to see the model which turns us into a lower tax region like Ireland, encourages huge investment in industry and services like IT, but stops immigration. It is not physically possible. Who the hell do they think will do the work? The UK is already at full employment. It's nuts. Could Australia have had their boom without immigration? No. Wages and interest rates would have gone through the roof. They are talking nonsense to appease the masses, but sooner or later this will actually have to work. I have a feeling many people will have issues when reality sinks in.

That's why I believe the Tories are culpable in this whole brexit farago

Going back to Trump

i would not have vote for him, but I think the biggest threat politicians see is that he might at least try to do what he says. That and it is about time the USA / UK / Oz and most other advanced countries had a leader who acknowledged there main duty was to their citizens rather than trying to appear good on the international stage so they get a toast at DAVOS.

The leaders we all have today are vile and are interested not in their people, but in ideology and their global image.

The USA, UK, Oz and the rest of the developed world are seeing our living standards fall, but not a single leader thinks it is important. Globalisation will cure it all is the mantra.

America is not going to be expanding into overseas markets .or starting wars to facilitate that expansion .

America will be concentrating on itself within its own borders .

I think there will be conflict ....isis and radical Islam is a fluid situation that will go on indefinitely .

But you wont see masses of u.s troops in the middle east like the gulf war .

Trump will use special forces for " in and out " missions on the quiet .

If major force is needed ,trump will use it without question .

I wouldn't bet against him .

Trump implies this....but on the other hand he claims he is going to massively expand the military. As there is no prospect of a land invasion by foreigh troops why do you think he is planning this?

Oh yes ,as I said months and months ago ,the old alliances are coming back together .

Which will ultimately be good news for Australia .

 

But America doesn't need anyone .

Why do you think they are worlds biggest producer of oil and gas ( yes they are ) ,and they are stock piling it .

America can trade within itself and its chosen allies

Yes, due to fracking they are up there with Russia and Saudi Arabia for sure. But major US Corporations such as Exxon Mobil are heavily invested elsewhere. Exxon has billions tied up in Russian oilfields it cannot exploit due to sanctions imposed on Russia by Obama following the annexation of Crimea.

It surely can be no coincidence that Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, has been appointed by Trump to bring about the lifting of these sanctions at the earliest possible opportunity.

Trump is far more interested in aligning with Russia than Europe.

I think its sad that America had no younger candidates for president. Donald my age, Bernie older, Hilary my age. I do not feel like going back to work, but who knows, maybe I should take up politics now. Unfortunately with age does not always come wisdom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/21/maths-school-every-city-theresa-may-announces-new-technical/

170 million sounds like a lot, but really? To educate British people to replace the 300,000 immigrants? 170 million? It's a piss in the ocean.

I wonder how Britain got on before it opened its doors to EU migrants......ohhhh look it did really well....:biglaugh:

I wonder how Britain got on before it opened its doors to EU migrants......ohhhh look it did really well....:biglaugh:

This mass migration ,wherever it is ,is not for the benefit of the ordinary working people of a particular country ,its to service the profits of the elites ,and drive down wages and conditions .

I CANNOT BELIEVE SOME POSTERS ON HERE ,DO NOT SEE IT .

The reaction has now started brexit and now trump .

Trump may not be a solution ,but he is certainly a symptom

This mass migration ,wherever it is ,is not for the benefit of the ordinary working people of a particular country ,its to service the profits of the elites ,and drive down wages and conditions .

I CANNOT BELIEVE SOME POSTERS ON HERE ,DO NOT SEE IT .

The reaction has now started brexit and now trump .

Trump may not be a solution ,but he is certainly a symptom

How on earth can it have escaped your attention that Trump is actually a standard-bearer for the wealthy elite. He is filling his cabinet with billionnaires and bankers who are hardly going to derail the gravy train - quite the reverse, they will throw it into overdrive. The cult status that Trump has nurtured amongst the simple-minded folk of America who voted for him in their millions have blinded most of them to reality.

He is carefully denigrating and undermining the integrity of anyone or any organisation that reports his transgressions. Whether he can create a Kremlin-style oligarchy in the USA is open to question but he is employing classic divide and rule tactics in an attempt to do just that.

His vague promises and aims are largely doomed to fail but expect him to blame his 'enemies' rather than many of his ill-thought through or just plain crackpot schemes.

How on earth can it have escaped your attention that Trump is actually a standard-bearer for the wealthy elite. He is filling his cabinet with billionnaires and bankers who are hardly going to derail the gravy train - quite the reverse, they will throw it into overdrive. The cult status that Trump has nurtured amongst the simple-minded folk of America who voted for him in their millions have blinded most of them to reality.

 

He is carefully denigrating and undermining the integrity of anyone or any organisation that reports his transgressions. Whether he can create a Kremlin-style oligarchy in the USA is open to question but he is employing classic divide and rule tactics in an attempt to do just that.

 

His vague promises and aims are largely doomed to fail but expect him to blame his 'enemies' rather than many of his ill-thought through or just plain crackpot schemes.

What choice did people have?

A more of the same with a member of the system that has seen their living standards fall. Their options and opportunities decrease. Their income decrease.

Or something different. It might not work, but heck, voting the other way was suicide for many.

The reality you mention is not perfect, but it at least acknowledges global free trade is a disaster for the average person. Obama and his anointed successor still can not see that. They thing the mantra of wealth trickles down is still viable, even after every piece of evidence is the opposite. Obama, like regular politicians in most other countries has been a total disaster. People say look at the unemployment is so low. But knock off the "none jobs" - the minimum wage, the zero hour contract, the people doing a shift here and there and it is horrendous.

People deride protectionaism, but when you look at the people who do, it is those who make the most from exploiting others.

The EU is finished, it'll hurt when the whole farce sinks, but at least by being out we won't get dragged down with it.

What choice did people have?

 

A more of the same with a member of the system that has seen their living standards fall. Their options and opportunities decrease. Their income decrease.

 

Or something different. It might not work, but heck, voting the other way was suicide for many.

 

The reality you mention is not perfect, but it at least acknowledges global free trade is a disaster for the average person. Obama and his anointed successor still can not see that. They thing the mantra of wealth trickles down is still viable, even after every piece of evidence is the opposite. Obama, like regular politicians in most other countries has been a total disaster. People say look at the unemployment is so low. But knock off the "none jobs" - the minimum wage, the zero hour contract, the people doing a shift here and there and it is horrendous.

 

People deride protectionaism, but when you look at the people who do, it is those who make the most from exploiting others.

the funny thing is, the EU is set up to exploit workers and to maximise corporate profit, you'd think the lefties would hate it, but they've convinced themselves it some sort of socialist nirvana, well not all of them Jeremy Corbyn hates the EU, always has.

How on earth can it have escaped your attention that Trump is actually a standard-bearer for the wealthy elite. He is filling his cabinet with billionnaires and bankers who are hardly going to derail the gravy train - quite the reverse, they will throw it into overdrive. The cult status that Trump has nurtured amongst the simple-minded folk of America who voted for him in their millions have blinded most of them to reality.

 

He is carefully denigrating and undermining the integrity of anyone or any organisation that reports his transgressions. Whether he can create a Kremlin-style oligarchy in the USA is open to question but he is employing classic divide and rule tactics in an attempt to do just that.

 

His vague promises and aims are largely doomed to fail but expect him to blame his 'enemies' rather than many of his ill-thought through or just plain crackpot schemes.