Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I have noticed a lot of people here 'migrating' on 457 temporary visas. I have enjoyed being on one previously, before becoming a pr, but have also experienced the negative aspect of leaving australia under the 28 day rule. If people have any 457 ideas - positives and negatives id be interested. I am struggling to come up with many positives apart from its quick - but its quick in and quick out if company fold or boss not happy. Plenty of negatives but don't want to dwell on them as other posters have previously given me stick for being negative - i'd call it practical and realistic. 457 and families migrating -it worries me after my experience of the system with only one person to worry about. Thanks be interested in seeing some good posts :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCASAlert Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 We are going on a 457, well hopefully when the visa is finalised. There is me, my wife and our baby. We realise there are downsides, and at any point we can be given 28 days notice, but if it happens it happens - we will still have our house and family here in the UK, we have nothing to lose by at least giving it a go, either way it will be a new start, either in Australia or the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Newinsydney Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The only positives are they are quick to get and chance of LAFA. Big downside is you are kind of stuck to the job as if you quit or get the boot you need to find a new one or leave in 28 days. Although apparently 28 days is the minimum. I quit my first job here are 7 months as it was a nightmare. Faced the prospect of heading back home but luckily got a new job sorted and transferred the sponsorship. Did you actually have to leave after the 28 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 You have raised a really good point and if im honest i sometimes sit here and cringe when someone writes '' Im not waiting to get a PR so going the 457 route!''. I have known 2 familys personally who have run into employment issues and lost their jobs, when these familys have started making a life here and invested not just effot and time but money too it is soooo sad to see things go wrong. My advice to any migrant would be to hold out that bit longer and get a PR visa if you can. If you can't then go for it with a 457 and get PR as soon as you can once here,,,but be aware of what 'could' happen as its a smack in the teeth if your not. Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCASAlert Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 For us it isn't the 'not wanting to wait' (we have been putting it off for 6 years so waiting is not the issue), but more the fact that because I don't hold a degree I don't meet the points requirement for PR straight away, we could have scraped through with IELTS but since DIAC changed the requirements on July 1st we have no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Cal - you speak an awful lot of sense - i went on a 457, looked into the limitations but in my mid twenties and a professional with family and no major mortgage commitments knew that if i lost my job id have family and i love the uk. I came on 457 - loved it for 16 months then my boss threw a wobbly and there ethics were completely and utterly untenable. There was little chance of getting a job in 28 days or at least a good job. Fortunately id taken steps to pr and am now back on a permanent residency. I spoke to the government once my 28 days started and it was confusing - when did the 28 days start, how would i find a new sponsor, get a bridging visa - i was panicing and it was just me with a great family and life waiting back in the uk for me to take again. imagine if i had been a family of 5 or 6 - kids in school, renting a large property in massively expensive aussie cities rather than house sharing in a country town. People at the moment just want out of the uk - believe me its not that bad having been back 3 months i actually saw how good the uk is even in a recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Cal we need more people to post like you - because i too cringe at people 'migrating' saying goodbye to the uk on a 457 visa!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janine the party queen Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 We know of 3 families who had no choice but return to the UK,all on 457 visas. 2 families failed the medical,apparently you don't always need to do them until you apply for PR.The other family,hubby lost his job and could not find another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 if you love it on the 457 how will you make it permanent in the long term - you can only have a 457 for so long. the points system has got harder - the ielts is worth taking as an educational exercise and to see how your english stands up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebloggs Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Migrating on a 457 yes. Immigrating definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 janine - indeed yet there are families going through the process now of applying for a 457 - all the people who sing and dance about it are enjoying it in the present - yes we do only have now to enjoy the moment but i felt gutted when i lost my job on a 457 - gutted, but fortunately i did not have a wife, kids and heaps of overheads that come along with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 LOL,, Ive nothing against anyone on a 457 and like one of the posters said above some people have no choice. We have been here 5 years and came on PR but if we had to wind the clock back to apply for a visa now, a 457 would be our ONLY option of getting here so i would, in those circumstances go for it , hope things work out and get PR as soon as i could. There is just so much more 'security' with PR and finance wise you can be better off thanks to Centrelink ,lol,especially if you have a family, lets face it the entire migration process is expensive and mind blowing enough without getting here and realising your boss is an arse and your dream job isnt what you thought it would be,no-one deserves the grief and stress that brings on a family. Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCASAlert Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 if you love it on the 457 how will you make it permanent in the long term Employer already agreed to sponsor for PR. If that doesn't work out then I either find something else or we come home, where I have full, unrestricted rights to live and work :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 positives and negatives in an exam style: discuss the positives and negatives of moving on a 457 visa lol - be interested how many positives people can come up with as i can sometimes air on the negative with this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 cal N gary is'nt there a 2 yr wait for centrelink though - ie 2 years afteractivating the 176 visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal2 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 same as you TCASAlert, plus if they give us notice they have to pay for all our relocation back to the UK, yes, if you can wait for PR, then do, but if you are up to the challenges of a 457 why not? on another point can anyone tell me how to put that italic permament line in the bottom of a post, pleas, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 cal2 - my employer did not pay for my flight back despite me going through all the protocols. 30 days to reclaim it - the government told me about this. my employers never told me about the living away from home allowance. do not do not trust any employer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest36187 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I came on a 457. My job went well,i am still with the same company. Next feb I celebrate seven years here. For the amount of negatives there are, there are very positive stories too x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 indeed there are - but any day that positive can be taken away - the longer ur on a 457 the harder it is when the disposable ticket is picked out of ones hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCASAlert Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Cal2, The other thing that I think about is, even on a PR visa, if you get laid off (or don't get a job in the first place, unless you are very lucky and can get a job before you go, you are essentially giving it all up to go over to nothing) you may still end up coming back anyway, how are you going to live in a foreign country with no income in either situation? On a 457 you have a job and income already there and waiting, at least you have a start. The signature is in your profile, click on "User CP" at the top and its in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal2 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 thank Marchman, it's in the contract, but will bear it in mind, the contract says they will pay all our expenses to return and are paying them to go out there, but will bear it in mind, anyway, saying that they have already applied for permament nomination for my OH, he has a very specialised background true TCASAlert, and thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Indeed but at least on a pr you can come back and have a bit more freedom. Not as much as citizenship but a point well made. the 457 is a start, but what about long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpot Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Other positives: 1. You can come and work/live in Australia and see whether or not you will really like it and whether or not it suits you, without the same level of investment in money, time, emotions and everything else that going for an independent PR visa involves 2. In some cases your relocation costs will be paid by the employer too, depending on the contract. I'm coming over on one and haven't had to pay for anything for the visa or relocation at all, they are investing (worked it out the other day) something north of A$30,000 in it, and are also contractually obliged to repatriate us if the job ends as a result of their action So for us it gives us an ideal quick route with less risk. I think 457s get slagged off too much on here, but remember not everyone is going to Australia because they have a life-long desire to move to Australia or to escape the UK at any costs; lots of us are going just because someone offered them a good job, and we'll suck it and see I'm obliged to work for my employer for 2 years, if I quit in that time I have to pay them back the relocation costs. So we figure we'll be there for 2 years if we don't like it, 5 years if we sort of do (after that 5 year window we'll have to start making serious plans for our son's secondary education), maybe indefinitely if we love it. But we can get to that decision without having to cut all ties in the UK and make a massive leap of faith. If after 1-2 years we've seen enough to be sure we want to stay for good, then we'll start the PR process then. And if they've changed the rules in the meantime? Well, to a certain extent that's life. It's not my country after all, I don't have rights to live there, but I'll always have a right to live in the UK and that's fine by me The biggest negative to the 457 visa for me isn't the impermanence of residency rights if I lose my job - but I do recognise that I think the risk is lower because of their contractual obligation to pay if that does happen, and also because I'm going to work for a large company with proper HR processes, so less at the whim of a tosser boss. It's the inability/inadvisability to buy a house, so we will be at the whim of an overpriced and poor quality rental market and landlords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 thanks cal2 - i was very naive when i first came out here, and i do not want any of my countryman being stung by it. i think as a proud pom (prefer english man) i am trying to spread the word for people to be so aware of the 457 limitations as i have been so happy and jazzing yay im in australia in 3 weeks to damn im going home got to sort out a fair few things. In 90% of cases there is only one winner on the 457 and thats the employer - they have relatively little to lose. If he is working for a big company experienced in handling 457 employees then thats great - a 457 working for a small business is a recipe for disaster. i wish id have had more negative feedback about 457's and australia - its a golden carrot dangling (or is it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest59652 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 pintpot - great points well made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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