mtenchavez Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Hi all, I already gathered the necessary requirements and obtain the qualifications needed (as per my understanding on the PASA guidelines). But im still not that certain if i really indeed obtained the qualications/requirements that they need and thats why Before i lodge my ACS assessment application online I would like it to be pre-asssed by you my friends just to be sure i did not miss something out. Any opinions or suggestions will be highly appriciated! So, here is the details of my assement application: ========================= Assessment details ========================= skill type: 261312 (Developer Programmer) Target Assessment group criteria: Group A or B =========================== Documents requirements =========================== 1) Completed Online Application form 2) certified true copy of the following: a) detailed and descriptive employer references b) academic transcripts c) academic qualification certificates d) Passport (for proof of identity purposes) =========================== Work Experience =========================== 1) total of 5 years work experience (to 3 diffrent companies. all of which still exists up to now) in ICT-related fields. specifically, as a software developer / programmer mainly on web-based and desktop-based applications. =========================== Certifications awarded =========================== 1) Certified Microsoft Technology Specialist (MCTS / MCP) =========================== Educational Attainment =========================== Im not a bachelors degree holder (BS,BA etc..) , but instead i only hold a professional graduate diploma in ICT-related courses that i've completed in 2 years of study in an ICT institute. Thank you in advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Hi all, I already gathered the necessary requirements and obtain the qualifications needed (as per my understanding on the PASA guidelines). But im still not that certain if i really indeed obtained the qualications/requirements that they need and thats why Before i lodge my ACS assessment application online I would like it to be pre-asssed by you my friends just to be sure i did not miss something out. Any opinions or suggestions will be highly appriciated! So, here is the details of my assement application: ========================= Assessment details ========================= skill type: 261312 (Developer Programmer) Target Assessment group criteria: Group A or B =========================== Documents requirements =========================== 1) Completed Online Application form 2) certified true copy of the following: a) detailed and descriptive employer references b) academic transcripts c) academic qualification certificates d) Passport (for proof of identity purposes) =========================== Work Experience =========================== 1) total of 5 years work experience (to 3 diffrent companies. all of which still exists up to now) in ICT-related fields. specifically, as a software developer / programmer mainly on web-based and desktop-based applications. =========================== Certifications awarded =========================== 1) Certified Microsoft Technology Specialist (MCTS / MCP) =========================== Educational Attainment =========================== Im not a bachelors degree holder (BS,BA etc..) , but instead i only hold a professional graduate diploma in ICT-related courses that i've completed in 2 years of study in an ICT institute. Thank you in advance... As you dont hold a degree you would fall into group b, and you would fail the assessment. as group require 7 years of work experience:arghh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtenchavez Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 As you dont hold a degree you would fall into group b, and you would fail the assessment. as group require 7 years of work experience:arghh: Thanks. for the feedback UFO. Thats what i thought so too at first... but as per PASAguidelines release last july 2010. Group B will only need at least 5 Years Full time professional ICT work experience. So other than that im not sure if there are other qualifications that im not yet covered. what do you think? --------- here are the snippets of the guidelines: GROUP B (suitable) Applicants must provide evidence that they have a qualification assessed as comparable to the educational level of an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Diploma or Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Advanced Diploma with a major in ICT, or an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Bachelor (undergraduate) degree, or Graduate Diploma, or higher qualification with a minor (sub-major) in ICT in a highly relevant field to the nominated occupation and at least five (5) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation, completed in the ten (10) years before the date of application for Skills Assessment. Note: Six (6) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation are required if the ICT qualification/s is not relevent to the nominated occupation. As a guide for an AQF Diploma or an AQF Advanced Diploma or overseas equivalent, the ICT content must be at least 50%. As a guide for a minor (sub-major) for a Bachelor degree the ICT content must be at least 20%. As a guide for a Graduate Diploma or higher degree qualification described in 2.2.5 above, a minor (sub-major) must relate to a program with an ICT content of at least 50%. As a guide for a Post Graduate Diploma or higher degree qualification described above, a minor (sub-major) must relate to a program with ICT content of at least 15% and less than 33%. Following certification courses, either individually or in combination, may be sufficient to meet the qualifications criteria: • Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, Certified Lotus Professional or Certified Novell Engineer (from 1997) • Certified Directory Engineer from Novell, Master Certified Novell Engineer, Certified Novell Instructor, CITEC Certified Engineer or Oracle Certified Master (from 2004) • Microsoft Certified Professional Developer or Microsoft Certified IT Professional (from 2007) • Certified Information Systems Auditor or Certified Information Security Manager from Information Systems Audit and Control Association (from 14 June 2007) • Certified Information Systems Security Professional from International Information Systems Security Certification Consortium (from May 2008) • Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (from August 2009) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Thanks. for the feedback UFO. Thats what i thought so too at first... but as per PASAguidelines release last july 2010. Group B will only need at least 5 Years Full time professional ICT work experience. So other than that im not sure if there are other qualifications that im not yet covered. what do you think? --------- here are the snippets of the guidelines: GROUP B (suitable) Applicants must provide evidence that they have a qualification assessed as comparable to the educational level of an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Diploma or Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Advanced Diploma with a major in ICT, or an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Bachelor (undergraduate) degree, or Graduate Diploma, or higher qualification with a minor (sub-major) in ICT in a highly relevant field to the nominated occupation and at least five (5) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation, completed in the ten (10) years before the date of application for Skills Assessment. Note: Six (6) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation are required if the ICT qualification/s is not relevent to the nominated occupation. As a guide for an AQF Diploma or an AQF Advanced Diploma or overseas equivalent, the ICT content must be at least 50%. As a guide for a minor (sub-major) for a Bachelor degree the ICT content must be at least 20%. As a guide for a Graduate Diploma or higher degree qualification described in 2.2.5 above, a minor (sub-major) must relate to a program with an ICT content of at least 50%. As a guide for a Post Graduate Diploma or higher degree qualification described above, a minor (sub-major) must relate to a program with ICT content of at least 15% and less than 33%. Following certification courses, either individually or in combination, may be sufficient to meet the qualifications criteria: • Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, Certified Lotus Professional or Certified Novell Engineer (from 1997) • Certified Directory Engineer from Novell, Master Certified Novell Engineer, Certified Novell Instructor, CITEC Certified Engineer or Oracle Certified Master (from 2004) • Microsoft Certified Professional Developer or Microsoft Certified IT Professional (from 2007) • Certified Information Systems Auditor or Certified Information Security Manager from Information Systems Audit and Control Association (from 14 June 2007) • Certified Information Systems Security Professional from International Information Systems Security Certification Consortium (from May 2008) • Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (from August 2009) According to the above information you need 6(i have put it in bold) and you said u have only 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtenchavez Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 According to the above information you need 6(i have put it in bold) and you said u have only 5 yes. that is if your the qualification is not related on the nominated occupation then you will require + 1 year of work experience (which makes it 6 years) in ICT-related work. since in my case, i only have a professional diploma, no degree but still its an ICT-related course and 5 years of ICT-related job experience. and my nominated occupation is a 261312 (Developer Programmer). i think im not covered in the clause. what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vbdev Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's interesting to know! And a big relief to me! I have been worrying over this and haven't been able to get a proper answer. From the Acs guidelines all does seem in order too! Question tho... could you not sit the additional exam (or two) and gain an MCITP or similar? You would still hold your MCTS. If so can you use multiple mcts's as part of your app? Is a MCITP worth more in the Acs assessment? (It should be obviously ,but is it?) Lastly, the thing that's driving me crazy... if you get graded suitable (B), does this still get you the points on the points system as if you had a bachelors degree? Because if not it could mean falling short on points <-- this is driving me crazy getting an answer for this! Good luck mtchavez! Where are you looking to settle in oz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtenchavez Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's interesting to know! And a big relief to me! I have been worrying over this and haven't been able to get a proper answer. From the Acs guidelines all does seem in order too! Question tho... could you not sit the additional exam (or two) and gain an MCITP or similar? You would still hold your MCTS. If so can you use multiple mcts's as part of your app? Is a MCITP worth more in the Acs assessment? (It should be obviously ,but is it?) Lastly, the thing that's driving me crazy... if you get graded suitable (B), does this still get you the points on the points system as if you had a bachelors degree? Because if not it could mean falling short on points <-- this is driving me crazy getting an answer for this! Good luck mtchavez! Where are you looking to settle in oz? i think, if your not ICT degree holder you will be considered as A minor (sub-major) in ICT highly relevant to the nominated occupation. which is i think ok with ACS. if ever, id be given the chance to go to oz to work. id be staying in my brothers place. which is in melbourne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vbdev Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 My employer is hopefully going to sponsor me in 2yrs, but I would still need Acs grading for this. I don't have a degree either, like yourself. MCTS I will have soon, its not too hard to do. A friend of mine just sits the tests and usually passes them (MS ones) lucky sod he is. Diploma I'm starting in order to have that before the 2years is up. Degree isn't an option since I can't do it in 2 years. 3 years if I practically give up on life outside work, but I have kids - no chance! I take it by what you meant by the ACS grading then, that you will get the points from the points system (120 one or 65 system) as if you held a degree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 i think, if your not ICT degree holder you will be considered as A minor (sub-major) in ICT highly relevant to the nominated occupation. which is i think ok with ACS. if ever, id be given the chance to go to oz to work. id be staying in my brothers place. which is in melbourne. If I were i would get confirmation from MARA agent on this, because this were it gets cloudly. The title of the dip means nothing it depends on the subjects. subjects must be assessed as highly relevant to the nominated occupation else 6 years if the ICT subjects are not assessed as highly relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annedeveloper Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Dear All, ACS do accept Graduate Diploma in IT qualification as a group A qualification. Please refer the PASA guidelines. "Applicants must provide evidence that they have a qualification assessed as comparable to the educational level of an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Bachelor (undergraduate) degree or Graduate Diploma or higher degree level qualification with a major in ICT in a highly relevant field to the nominated occupation and at least two (2) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation, completed in the seven (7) years before the date of application for Skills Assessment" If you have a well recognize Graduate Diploma offered by Charted Body / University technically they must accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Dear All,ACS do accept Graduate Diploma in IT qualification as a group A qualification. Please refer the PASA guidelines. "Applicants must provide evidence that they have a qualification assessed as comparable to the educational level of an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Bachelor (undergraduate) degree or Graduate Diploma or higher degree level qualification with a major in ICT in a highly relevant field to the nominated occupation and at least two (2) years of full time professional ICT work experience in a field closely related to the nominated occupation, completed in the seven (7) years before the date of application for Skills Assessment" If you have a well recognize Graduate Diploma offered by Charted Body / University technically they must accept it. Actually a friend of mine has a Grad diploma and they failed him, this was couple of months back. He using this section as grounds for his appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annedeveloper Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Can I Know from which university / Institute he got his graduate diploma? Regards. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Can I Know from which university / Institute he got his graduate diploma? Regards. Anne University of London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annedeveloper Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 For an example: BCS PGD in IT technically they should accept. Totally because "Professional Graduate Diploma in IT This level is the academic equivalent to Year 3 of a UK university honours degree. It is recognised by the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA) as Level 6." - From BCS site. Do you know anyone who applied for ACS with above qualification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 For an example: BCS PGD in IT technically they should accept. Totally because"Professional Graduate Diploma in IT This level is the academic equivalent to Year 3 of a UK university honours degree. It is recognised by the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (QCA) as Level 6." - From BCS site. Do you know anyone who applied for ACS with above qualification? Actually the BCS PGD is equivalent to a low level university degree offered by a polly. Im Chartered IT Professional from BCS and full member. I would talk to ACS about it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annedeveloper Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks UFO, Please contact ACS people and get verify this. My sister has BCS PGD in IT qualification as she is willing to move Auz as soon as she can. She Also has 3 years and 10 exp as a software engineer (J2EE related), 6 moths exp. as a web developer and 6 month exp. as a web designer. Hope to hear from you soon with ACS info. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UFO Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks UFO, Please contact ACS people and get verify this. My sister has BCS PGD in IT qualification as she is willing to move Auz as soon as she can. She Also has 3 years and 10 exp as a software engineer (J2EE related), 6 moths exp. as a web developer and 6 month exp. as a web designer. Hope to hear from you soon with ACS info. Many thanks. :eek:, I am not your agent, you should contact MARA agent to further your application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdodd79 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi all, I too would suggest getting an agent to check everything is correct. All this visa stuff can get complicated :arghh: I used Peter Chiam from PTLabs for both my ACS assessment and visa application. He specialises in visas for IT Professionals and is reasonably priced as well. He did a great job and I can certainly recommend his services. Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annedeveloper Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Hi all, I too would suggest getting an agent to check everything is correct. All this visa stuff can get complicated :arghh: I used Peter Chiam from PTLabs for both my ACS assessment and visa application. He specialises in visas for IT Professionals and is reasonably priced as well. He did a great job and I can certainly recommend his services. Nick. Thanks both of you, What my sis only need to know before stepping to an Agent, "Does BCS PGD in IT qualification treat a B.Sc. level qualification in Australia / ACS? "If you guys know someone who applied for assessment or who can speak to ACS and get to know please help on this. Regards. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hello Everyone, This is my first post in this part of the forum. I have read the previous posts with interest, and to summerize, does having an MCSE and/or MCITP get recognised by the ACS and provide 10 points? (I have 10 years experience). And does an applicant have to ask for this, or is it automatic? Thank you so much for reading, PW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hello Everyone, This is my first post in this part of the forum. I have read the previous posts with interest, and to summerize, does having an MCSE and/or MCITP get recognised by the ACS and provide 10 points? (I have 10 years experience). And does an applicant have to ask for this, or is it automatic? Thank you so much for reading, PW. Under what occupation would you get a skills assesment done using your MSCE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mongobear Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Hello Everyone, This is my first post in this part of the forum. I have read the previous posts with interest, and to summerize, does having an MCSE and/or MCITP get recognised by the ACS and provide 10 points? (I have 10 years experience). And does an applicant have to ask for this, or is it automatic? Thank you so much for reading, PW. Hi PW, the MCSE is recognised as being equivalent to an IT-diploma so you don't have to go down the RPL-route. There are some restrictions on this (age of the cert ....) and also some more certs which are accepted so you might want to get in touch with the ACS for details. Good luck Uli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thanks for getting back, I have MCSE 2003 and MCITP in SQL 2005 and another in SQL 2008, I have applied for assessment as a DBA. Regards, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest 47403 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 That's interesting I'm MCSE W2K and 2003 also MCITP Enterprise Desktop Administrator 7, could be worth getting it assesed for partner skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 So would I be right saying I'd obtain 10 points for what I have, should I get a positive assessment? Regards, P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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