George Lombard Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 ACS has today announced new guidelines for skills assessment which appear to take into account the differential value of IT experience under the new SOL, ENSOL and State SOL. See ACS (Australian Computer Society) - Membership, Professionalism and Leadership for ICT Professionals and the ICT Community and in particular, http://www.acs.org.au/assessment/docs/SUMMARY_OF_CHANGES_PASA_GUIDELINES_FOR_APPLICANTS.pdf . Cheers, George Lombard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Hi George I applied under 885- ICT Recent graduate I obtained an ICT graduate entry role in 2008 (June) , but few months ago recieved a promotion as a Project Officer/Busienss Analyst In case the cap and cease happens do you think I will stand a chance to relodge under the GSM because I see that B/A's are on the new SOL list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divya288 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Can someone clarify, if we need to reapply for PASA or revalidate our skills if we have received a positive assessment letter from ACS on 21st of April 2010? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee help me.. I'm confused :mad::confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JRC Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 what are the difference between cat a, b, c??? how do i know which 1 I fall under ? I have a major in ict (degree) and 4 years work exp in that field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alucard Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 what are the difference between cat a, b, c??? how do i know which 1 I fall under ? I have a major in ict (degree) and 4 years work exp in that field In that case, you fall in Category A. It seems that it's easier to get a positive skill assessment now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JRC Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 I thought that but then cat b sounded similar.... I just hope systems administrator or computer network engineer is actually sponsrered by a state as NSW released there list today and only 2 it ocupations on it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alucard Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 I thought that but then cat b sounded similar.... I just hope systems administrator or computer network engineer is actually sponsrered by a state as NSW released there list today and only 2 it ocupations on it..... Category B is if you have a diploma and not a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JRC Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 good stuff im just hoping wa or queensland offer tradesponserhip for my current role otherwise its WHV with ENS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobo Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Can someone clarify, if we need to reapply for PASA or revalidate our skills if we have received a positive assessment letter from ACS on 21st of April 2010? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee help me.. I'm confused :mad::confused: we have posed the same question, my OH received his letter in April too. So far our agent thinks he will have to pay out and submit a fresh assessment bacause the ACS are likely to be strict about their cut off dates. it seems really unfair but i think the ACS are having to manage with this new system without having had the opprtunity to input into any decisions...from speaking to a number of people it seems pretty clear that whoever wrote and approved the new codes and transitions is not an expert in IT! out agent suggests waiting for more guidelines from ACS - you may be wise to do the same. remember you don't want to jump too soon and get reassessed to an occupation that's not on the SOL for independent visas or on any any SMPs. i know its a real pain but its still a waiting game as far as i can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pranav Rai Sood Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 So what does it all mean now.I am unable to comprehend all of this information.I will be graduating from swinburne university with a degree recognized by ACS at a professional level with 7 bands in IELTS and without having any past experience in IT.I have my major units in Web applications and java will I be able to get a positive skill assessment for an application for 261311 Analyst programmer or 261312 Developer programmer ? As per my information previously all the ICT recent graduates used to get a common classification of ICT RECENT GRADUATES. Please reply if anyone as some information pertaining to this issue. Warm regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest punita Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Well, Pranav, I m riding the same boat. Finishing this friday with Comp prof nec. I dont know if I can fit into system analyst or business analyst they have made all confusing my half subjects fall into one category and half into other leading where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest annaferd Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 :confused: I received a positive skills assessment for 2231-19 ( computer professional -nec) on the 21st of June 2010! Does that mean I have to redo an application? I read the document posted and saw that: Please note: if previous PASA application was received before 1 July 2010, applicants must lodge a new PASA application. But it also says in the document: Effective Date The revised Guidelines are effective for applications received on and after July1, 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alucard Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 So what does it all mean now.I am unable to comprehend all of this information.I will be graduating from swinburne university with a degree recognized by ACS at a professional level with 7 bands in IELTS and without having any past experience in IT.I have my major units in Web applications and java will I be able to get a positive skill assessment for an application for 261311 Analyst programmer or 261312 Developer programmer ? As per my information previously all the ICT recent graduates used to get a common classification of ICT RECENT GRADUATES. Please reply if anyone as some information pertaining to this issue. Warm regards I am pretty sure that ICT RECENT GRADUATES was for the Group in which you fall and not as an occupation in itself. You still had to nominate an occupation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jigish Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Good news for IT students? They are going to allow IT students, to apply. That means they don't see IT as a backdoor? Please read following details. From a Karl Konrad's newsletter, he's a MARA agent, I think. Newsletter: Back to the Future for the ACS After a couple of months of silence and seemingly not answering their enquiry lines, the Australian Computer Society (ACS) may be about to throw a lifeline to all the depressed overseas IT students in Australia. The new ACS assessment guidelines were released yesterday covering the basic requirements for the skill assessment for migration purposes under DIAC new SOL ANZSCO lists. It would seem the ACS has stepped back in time when the skill assessment process began back in 2001. I remember well some of my clients who completed degrees in IT then applied to the ACS and were given assessment in particular IT ASCO classifications. One students example springs to mind. An overseas student had completed a Bachelor in IT majoring in web development and he was granted a skill assessment by the ACS as an Applications and Analyst Programmer. I cannot remember exactly when but some time later the ACS changed their skill assessment results for all recent IT graduates to the generic Computing Professional (nec) ASCO 2231-79. I don't believe there was any explanation for this change at the time, perhaps it just made it easier for them so they did not have to assess the individual content of the degrees. The problem is of course that this classification is no longer on the new SOL due to start tomorrow. On the new ANZCO SOL there are five computer professional occupations; ICT business analyst Systems Analyst Developer Programmer Analyst Programmer Software engineer International Students completing Australian qualifications There are a number of ways to pass an ACS assessment but we are only focusing on one aspect, the recent graduate from a Australian university at Bachelor or higher degree level. I’m not about to go into all the ways one can pass the new ACS assessment criteria, only covering the major pathway international students will use. You can read the complete guidelines using the following link: ACS (Australian Computer Society) - Membership, Professionalism and Leadership for ICT Professionals and the ICT Community For recent ICT graduates the ACS will now examine the content of your programs and see if it is relevant to the occupations you are nominating from the new SOL. It would seem they will then give you a classification (hopefully) in one of the six occupations above. These new rules will of course raise concern about what exactly is meant by relevant but at least it is more flexible than DIAC’s “closely related” term. I would imagine that students should be talking to their course co-ordinators to try and obtain some uniform letters to explain that the course they have undertaken is relevant to one of the six occupations most students will need. I am sure the universities will ensure they offer programs to students so they can reach this new ACS requirement, that is of course if they are interested in keeping their current students. I can see a mass exodus from any educational institution who is not prepared offer the types of content students need to pass the ACS skill assessment procedures. One has to feel a little sorry for these co-ordinators from today with all the enquiries they will receive. We would have to congratulate the Australian Computer Society for it seems they have bucked the trend of other skill assessment bodies of being told by DIAC they have to raise the English level to the 7.0 for the IELTS tests. We cannot see the need for the IT professionals to reach such a level for the skill assessment purposes given there are tens of thousands recent ICT graduates from overseas now happily working in the IT industry even when most have just the minimum 6.0 on the IELTS for DIAC’s visa purposes. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, we feel here it was clearly an unconscionable act by CPA, NIA and ICAA to suddenly force a 7.0 IELTS on academic for those poor accounting students from tomorrow if they wish to apply for their skill assessments. At least it seems the ACS is not a DIAC puppet and hopefully will not become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divya288 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I’ve already obtained my skills assessment in an ASCO occupation but have not lodged an application yet − is my skills assessment still valid? Yes. If you apply for a GSM visa after 1 July 2010 you can still use your ASCO skills assessment obtained prior to 1 July 2010, provided that your ASCO skills assessment is still valid. ANSWER ::biggrin: To allow for this, the department has correlated all ASCO occupations currently acceptable for skilled visa program purposes to their acceptable corresponding ANZSCO occupation(s). These correlations will be used to determine whether your valid ASCO skills assessment is an acceptable correlation for your ANZSCO nominated occupation. As the two occupation standards contain several differences, in some cases this may mean that one ASCO occupation correlates to several ANZSCO occupations and, conversely, that one ANZSCO occupation correlates to several ASCO occupations. A list of the endorsed ASCO to ANZSCO correlations for skilled visa program purposes is available on the department’s website. See: Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations (ANZSCO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jazerreli Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 hey pranav ! i am on the same boat as you mate as far as my understanding and observation goes , i am guessing that ACS will perhaps look at your course content and give you the suitable anzsco code. But apart from that i am curious to know about the progress on professional year for IT graduates?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest benn Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Hi. Iam a recent graduate from masters in information system.Can anyone help which category do I fall into??? I have overheard that my course fits into ICT system analyst and Grp C (computer network NEC). am I correct?? Can I file GSM on bases of these and does it give me 60 points?? Please help Iam sinking right now???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest benn Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Even I would be interested to know about professional program that ACS is coming up with?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jazerreli Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Hi. Iam a recent graduate from masters in information system.Can anyone help which category do I fall into??? I have overheard that my course fits into ICT system analyst and Grp C (computer network NEC). am I correct?? Can I file GSM on bases of these and does it give me 60 points?? Please help Iam sinking right now???? hey benn looks like the July 2010 passing out batch is going to remain in confusion until ACS comes with some more info. But again the air is that they will hopefully give you code most suited to your study, rest we can wait and see till some more info comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 So what does it all mean now.I am unable to comprehend all of this information.I will be graduating from swinburne university with a degree recognized by ACS at a professional level with 7 bands in IELTS and without having any past experience in IT.I have my major units in Web applications and java will I be able to get a positive skill assessment for an application for 261311 Analyst programmer or 261312 Developer programmer ? As per my information previously all the ICT recent graduates used to get a common classification of ICT RECENT GRADUATES. Please reply if anyone as some information pertaining to this issue. Warm regards AFAIK, ACS goes through your subjects and nominate your ANZSCO accordingly. So if you have done fair bit of programming subjects, you might get a developer programmer code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Well, Pranav, I m riding the same boat. Finishing this friday with Comp prof nec. I dont know if I can fit into system analyst or business analyst they have made all confusing my half subjects fall into one category and half into other leading where? You might get a "analyst Programmer". Code monkeys might get "developer programmer". But dont' worry, I dont think any of the IT codes are different in terms of processing times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptlabs Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 You might get a "analyst Programmer". Code monkeys might get "developer programmer". But dont' worry, I dont think any of the IT codes are different in terms of processing times. Of course all IT occupations on the SOL are equal... until the SMPs are announced ;-) Regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millholl Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 I currently hold a +ve assessment from ACS as 2231-79 .NET Tech Specialist. I'm just wondering what my fellow .NET guys think about where what ANZCO code we should fall into. I'm going to apply for the free re-assessment with ACS and I reckon the closest match is 261312 Developer Programmer. This also happens to be the safest as it is included in Schedule 3, Schedule 4, and also the ENSOL lists. See my workings below. SCHEDULE 3 (GSM) 261312 Developer Programmer = 2231-17 Applications and Analyst Programmer SCHEDULE 4 (SMP's) 261399 Software and Applications Programmers nec = 2231-79 Computing Professional nec 261312 Developer Programmer = 2231-17 Applications and Analyst Programmer ENSOL 261399 Software and Applications Programmers nec = 2231-79 Computing Professional nec 261312 Developer Programmer = 2231-17 Applications and Analyst Programmer 261312 Developer Programmer = 2231-19 Systems Programmer Altough according DIAC's correlations 261312 Developer Programmer matches 2231-17 Applications and Analyst Programmer, ABS classifies Developer Programmer's specialisations as: Communications Programmer (Systems) Database Developer Database Programmer (Systems) Network Programmer Software Developer Software Programmer I don't know about you .NET guys but on my assessment letter ACS had my experience down as 'Software Developer'. So I'm going for 261312 Developer Programmer, would like to know the thoughts of other +ve .NET guys. Thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest celalit Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Yes. untill SMPs are out . because NSW state sponsorship now has Java in Software Engineer (and NOT in Developer programmer). So it does matter, which ANZSCO we are applying for. better to wait until SMPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel A Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 its difficult working out these new ANZSCO codes. Does anyone know where it shows how many points each code and occupation carries? Im interested in 263113 Network consultant/Network designer. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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