the_new_citizen Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, ArsalanAhmad said: ANAO Report on citizenship processing is out, if anyone is interested https://www.anao.gov.au/work/performance-audit/efficiency-processing-applications-citizenship-conferral somebody shoot a "Shudni" (rumor) that 80% of applications would be processed till June 2019 (End of current financial year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsalanAhmad Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, the_new_citizen said: somebody shoot a "Shudni" (rumor) that 80% of applications would be processed till June 2019 (End of current financial year) haha. I did not read the full report but there are few interesting point (1) 80% of the applications (non complex) requires only 88 minutes to finalise (2) there is a lot of inactivity in processing of the application is this information (80% of applications would be processed till June 2019) mentioned in the report ?? Edited February 11, 2019 by ArsalanAhmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raaj1 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Hi keshev mine is same i applied on2 feb 2018 got test date on 24 jan 2019 aprooved on same day awaiting for ceremony Hi guys just wanna update the timeline again to give you little bit if idea thanks applied 02/02/18 online Melbourne test invitation 08/11/18 test date 31/01/19 passed 100% immi account status: Approval(09/02/19) wyndham city council. All the best to those who is been waiting long time. I know its frustrating and great test of patience hopefully it will happen soon now [emoji120] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, ArsalanAhmad said: haha. I did not read the full report but there are few interesting point (1) 80% of the applications (non complex) requires only 88 minutes to finalise (2) there is a lot of inactivity in processing of the application is this information (80% of applications would be processed till June 2019) mentioned in the report ?? No it is not. Atleast I am unable to find this info in report. That why i said it is "Shudni" (rumor). for other two facts. It seems that they are treating Donkeys & horses the same manner. Either you are a skilled migrant (paying huge amount of taxes) or a boat arrival-er (taking huge sum of financial support) you are same. What a pity for tax payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsalanAhmad Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, the_new_citizen said: No it is not. Atleast I am unable to find this info in report. That why i said it is "Shudni" (rumor). thanks for the information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris N Lora Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, the_new_citizen said: No it is not. Atleast I am unable to find this info in report. That why i said it is "Shudni" (rumor). for other two facts. It seems that they are treating Donkeys & horses the same manner. Either you are a skilled migrant (paying huge amount of taxes) or a boat arrival-er (taking huge sum of financial support) you are same. What a pity for tax payers. I do not see how, the link is being made, paying taxes and being a boat arrival.... Citizenship is based on merit and qualification rather than on whom pays more taxes... As said previously, DIAC are progressing and the majority are done prior to the time line published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chris N Lora said: I do not see how, the link is being made, paying taxes and being a boat arrival.... Citizenship is based on merit and qualification rather than on whom pays more taxes... As said previously, DIAC are progressing and the majority are done prior to the time line published. The link is that the people who arrived in boats are with incomplete documentation. There is no specific team which is dedicated for those complex applications. Because of that the people who came on skilled migration visa are suffering a daring delay. IF anyone came on genuine visa and his/her documentation is complete and was also gone through extreme background security checks when obtaining skilled visa should be shown some respect. Why not two different streams? complex applications (boat arrivals / refugees) should be processed in a different queue rather than in the same queue of skilled migrants. Why not? Edited February 11, 2019 by the_new_citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Chris N Lora said: I do not see how, the link is being made, paying taxes and being a boat arrival.... Citizenship is based on merit and qualification rather than on whom pays more taxes... As said previously, DIAC are progressing and the majority are done prior to the time line published. OK I accept your point. But tell me how both types of applications will be efficiently process and how can this process become faster? Edited February 12, 2019 by the_new_citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris N Lora Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, the_new_citizen said: The link is that the people who arrived in boats are with incomplete documentation. There is no specific team which is dedicated for those complex applications. Because of that the people who came on skilled migration visa are suffering a daring delay. IF anyone came on genuine visa and his/her documentation is complete and was also gone through extreme background security checks when obtaining skilled visa should be shown some respect. Why not two different streams? complex applications (boat arrivals / refugees) should be processed in a different queue rather than in the same queue of skilled migrants. Why not? Firstly, these people who arrive on boats, we all know refugee status is buzz word with all countries, However,you cannot blame them for the DIAC process. Again, being skilled or a refugee, has absolutely nothing to do with being a citizen ... my daughter is neither skilled or a refugee (school aged) and she is a citizen now.. I think blaming the refugees is harsh. Firstly, I do not accept 22 months is justifiable to process applications for citizenship. However, there are mitigating circumstances that DIAC should be defended for. lets take two family applications. Family Smith and family Jones. Family Jones have lived in Australia for 5 years, they arrived and have never been out of the country. they have no criminal records, all papers are in order etc etc, when DIAC process this family, they see it is a straight forwards application. (no oversea clearances etc). Family Smith have also lived in Australia for 5 years, however they spent more then 90 days out of the country, therefore, they need to supply overseas record checks etc ... DIAC have to wait for them to be uploaded, family smith also have delayed in getting the further information etc. Also, as mentioned Qualification, do you qualify for citizenship .. not if you are a Nurse or Pilot etc. Low Risk / High Risk countries etc ... there are always mitigating circumstance to the delays ... justifiable or not. Furthermore, once applications are approved, councils differ, take Parramatta, I believe had over 1600 citizens take the oath on Australia day, where as there are towns around the country whom may have 10 or 20 .... When the logistics are considered it is a massive task to coordinate/implement the process... I think, rather then blame DIAC maybe blame the Federal government for changes to the system that caused the delay trying to put the bill through etc... maybe lodge a formal complain to the Federal Government. Edited February 12, 2019 by Chris N Lora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsalanAhmad Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, the_new_citizen said: Because of that the people who came on skilled migration visa are suffering a daring delay. Does it define inactivity. The Audit also finds out there are 20% applications which are complex in nature? How you infer that the applicants which came through PR are affected by those who arrived on boats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsalanAhmad Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris N Lora said: , DIAC are progressing and the majority are done prior to the time line published the government own audit report says otherwise. However, I agree with most of your points in the later comment Edited February 12, 2019 by ArsalanAhmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris N Lora said: Firstly, these people who arrive on boats, we all know refugee status is buzz word with all countries, However,you cannot blame them for the DIAC process. Again, being skilled or a refugee, has absolutely nothing to do with being a citizen ... my daughter is neither skilled or a refugee (school aged) and she is a citizen now.. I think blaming the refugees is harsh. Firstly, I do not accept 22 months is justifiable to process applications for citizenship. However, there are mitigating circumstances that DIAC should be defended for. lets take two family applications. Family Smith and family Jones. Family Jones have lived in Australia for 5 years, they arrived and have never been out of the country. they have no criminal records, all papers are in order etc etc, when DIAC process this family, they see it is a straight forwards application. (no oversea clearances etc). Family Smith have also lived in Australia for 5 years, however they spent more then 90 days out of the country, therefore, they need to supply overseas record checks etc ... DIAC have to wait for them to be uploaded, family smith also have delayed in getting the further information etc. Also, as mentioned Qualification, do you qualify for citizenship .. not if you are a Nurse or Pilot etc. Low Risk / High Risk countries etc ... there are always mitigating circumstance to the delays ... justifiable or not. Furthermore, once applications are approved, councils differ, take Parramatta, I believe had over 1600 citizens take the oath on Australia day, where as there are towns around the country whom may have 10 or 20 .... When the logistics are considered it is a massive task to coordinate/implement the process... I think, rather then blame DIAC maybe blame the Federal government for changes to the system that caused the delay trying to put the bill through etc... maybe lodge a formal complain to the Federal Government. First of all I am not blaming people coming on boats and applying for citizenship. My point is that both of them should be processed differently, and why not processed in two queues for managing the load efficiently ? secondly how can I blame federal gov? alright they stopped the processing for 6 months but what happened afterwards? Have you read the audit report? Also you know why detailed security checks are included in citizenship. A person who came on skilled immigration was granted PR after a detailed security check and then he lived in Australia for 5 years without any criminal history and never been out of Australia for more than 90 days. How can that person in circumstances equals to a person who came on boat, granted PR, have no documentation or previous security check issue. How can a complex application equates to a straight forward application? Why both are not going into two streams? (No blame to people who came on boat, I wish them very best of life in Australia) For example you pay your strata fee on time for an apartment but not the owner of next apartment to you, will you wait for strata to fix the building problem after dealing with the owner next to your apartment? Lastly I am not blaming DIAC or government, I am just pointing out that why not an efficient model of processing can be in place? Why it is so difficult to implement an SOP for complex and simple application? and why not both be processed in different queues? Principally they are different in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ArsalanAhmad said: Does it define inactivity. The Audit also finds out there are 20% applications which are complex in nature? How you infer that the applicants which came through PR are affected by those who arrived on boats? I agree with your point but if you read some of the news, processing delays were blamed to the people who came to Australia on boat. Its not me who is having this opinion, it is the government official point of view on sbs website. Please see the below link (21 August 2018). Stop blaming me that I am blaming people came on boat ( I wish them best of the life in Australia). I am not against them, they are human like us. https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2018/08/21/australian-citizenship-more-staff-be-deployed-process-backlog “Second point is that we did overall increase the identity checks and security checks about 12 months ago. “And thirdly, we are dealing with that big backlog of the boat arrivals from three or four years ago, which are now coming through for citizenship,” he said. Edited February 12, 2019 by the_new_citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, ArsalanAhmad said: the government own audit report says otherwise. However, I agree with most of your points in the later comment well, that is the point. They have put people in a long painful waiting queue and now demand that people should not argue how they process. at least tell them a clear cut status over the phone, they just provide a general answer. At least tell the applicant at what stage his/her application is. Someone applied in Jan 2018 and not getting a test call and someone applied in March 2018 and getting the test call will make people suffer mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris N Lora said: Firstly, these people who arrive on boats, we all know refugee status is buzz word with all countries, However,you cannot blame them for the DIAC process. Again, being skilled or a refugee, has absolutely nothing to do with being a citizen ... my daughter is neither skilled or a refugee (school aged) and she is a citizen now.. I think blaming the refugees is harsh. Firstly, I do not accept 22 months is justifiable to process applications for citizenship. However, there are mitigating circumstances that DIAC should be defended for. lets take two family applications. Family Smith and family Jones. Family Jones have lived in Australia for 5 years, they arrived and have never been out of the country. they have no criminal records, all papers are in order etc etc, when DIAC process this family, they see it is a straight forwards application. (no oversea clearances etc). Family Smith have also lived in Australia for 5 years, however they spent more then 90 days out of the country, therefore, they need to supply overseas record checks etc ... DIAC have to wait for them to be uploaded, family smith also have delayed in getting the further information etc. Also, as mentioned Qualification, do you qualify for citizenship .. not if you are a Nurse or Pilot etc. Low Risk / High Risk countries etc ... there are always mitigating circumstance to the delays ... justifiable or not. Furthermore, once applications are approved, councils differ, take Parramatta, I believe had over 1600 citizens take the oath on Australia day, where as there are towns around the country whom may have 10 or 20 .... When the logistics are considered it is a massive task to coordinate/implement the process... I think, rather then blame DIAC maybe blame the Federal government for changes to the system that caused the delay trying to put the bill through etc... maybe lodge a formal complain to the Federal Government. Hi Chris: its all arguments, from my side take it lightly . I am surely not against anyone. Everyone who came to Australia(one way or other) has the same right to live here peacefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris N Lora Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, the_new_citizen said: Hi Chris: its all arguments, from my side take it lightly . I am surely not against anyone. Everyone who came to Australia(one way or other) has the same right to live here peacefully. Government are to blame, they are grossly incompetent, I agree in relation to the security checks of refugees, however it is hard when no documents are present and they can claim to not be who they are etc ... I am all for the DNA and prints of refuges to be taken upon arrival .... Imagine if everyone had DNA and prints taken crime would reduce overnight etc .... As mentioned, 22 months is excessive, however statistically they are done quicker generally, and if the 22 month time scale has been met then people need to contact the immigration minister, he cannot try and lobby for change unless he is aware fully. You make very valid points and generally I agree, alas the government need to be held accountable for the actions they take in causing delays, I think sometimes they dont want immigration the way they always contradict immigration policy. They want us all to pay taxes but no benefits.... wonderful utopia for governments lol. You mind me asking on how long you have been waiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 There's an election coming. What you really need right now is someone to publish a report showing that new citizens overwhelmingly vote for the Coalition. That would get the government to get their finger out. Unfortunately I suspect the government thinks most new citizens are going to vote Labor which is why they've been on this go slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris N Lora said: Government are to blame, they are grossly incompetent, I agree in relation to the security checks of refugees, however it is hard when no documents are present and they can claim to not be who they are etc ... I am all for the DNA and prints of refuges to be taken upon arrival .... Imagine if everyone had DNA and prints taken crime would reduce overnight etc .... As mentioned, 22 months is excessive, however statistically they are done quicker generally, and if the 22 month time scale has been met then people need to contact the immigration minister, he cannot try and lobby for change unless he is aware fully. You make very valid points and generally I agree, alas the government need to be held accountable for the actions they take in causing delays, I think sometimes they dont want immigration the way they always contradict immigration policy. They want us all to pay taxes but no benefits.... wonderful utopia for governments lol. You mind me asking on how long you have been waiting? I have been waiting for more than 10 months. One of my friend waiting for more than an year now. He called and got the generic reply. Migrants have to pay a good amount to get PR, then if they marry with some overseas partner they need to pay additional approx $8,000. Funny thing is that almost 40/50% skilled migrants goes to Sydney and Sydney has only 1 testing centre and one in parramatta (Where almost 80-90%) are migrants. It like having a 100Gbs speed available but bandwidth is only 1K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Ken said: There's an election coming. What you really need right now is someone to publish a report showing that new citizens overwhelmingly vote for the Coalition. That would get the government to get their finger out. Unfortunately I suspect the government thinks most new citizens are going to vote Labor which is why they've been on this go slow. Previously I was thinking to vote for coalition. But now I'll vote labor party. After all we are labor's in our jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris N Lora Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, the_new_citizen said: I have been waiting for more than 10 months. One of my friend waiting for more than an year now. He called and got the generic reply. Migrants have to pay a good amount to get PR, then if they marry with some overseas partner they need to pay additional approx $8,000. Funny thing is that almost 40/50% skilled migrants goes to Sydney and Sydney has only 1 testing centre and one in parramatta (Where almost 80-90%) are migrants. It like having a 100Gbs speed available but bandwidth is only 1K Don't fret yet, we waited 12 months ... we applied in Dec 2017, got the test Dec 18 citizenship Jan 19 .. hence the guidelines are just that ... fingers crossed you get it soon .. the next lot of citizenship ceremonies I believe are April/May ... We applied for PR back in 2008 wife was a hairdresser ...took us 3 years to get the PR it cost us $2800 at the time we did it ourselves .. no MA used ... we have been very lucky I feel in getting citizenship as fast as we did .. and Yup, we are migrant in the Sydney area. stop being optimist with the 100GBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chris N Lora said: Don't fret yet, we waited 12 months ... we applied in Dec 2017, got the test Dec 18 citizenship Jan 19 .. hence the guidelines are just that ... fingers crossed you get it soon .. the next lot of citizenship ceremonies I believe are April/May ... We applied for PR back in 2008 wife was a hairdresser ...took us 3 years to get the PR it cost us $2800 at the time we did it ourselves .. no MA used ... we have been very lucky I feel in getting citizenship as fast as we did .. and Yup, we are migrant in the Sydney area. stop being optimist with the 100GBS I applied by myself and took me 17 months to get PR with cost of $3000 some examples of citizenship application timeline 1st case Submitted: 22-Oct-2017 Test invite: waiting Council: Sydney 16 months already. The invite will definitely come when I'm still alive~~~ 2nd case 18.5 months since lodgement... still no interview invitation.. only automated checks appeared and no word from a case officer yet 3rd case Myself and kids timeline Applied 24 April 2018 Acknowledged same day Test invitation recvd: 11 Feb 2019 Test date: 15 May '19 (planning to reschedule to an earlier date) Spouse Applied 25 April 2018 Acknowledged same day Test invitation recvd: waiting Test date: waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshev Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Raaj1 said: Hi keshev mine is same i applied on2 feb 2018 got test date on 24 jan 2019 aprooved on same day awaiting for ceremony Congratulations bro which is your council and country of origin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_new_citizen Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Keshev said: Congratulations bro which is your council and country of origin yes that would be interesting info Edited February 12, 2019 by the_new_citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raaj1 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Wyndham council and country Nepal Congratulations bro which is your council and country of origin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keshev Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Raaj1 said: Wyndham council and country Nepal Thanks Raaj keep us updated regards urs ceremony detail as i m and others r in the same council. Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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