NSW 190 Secondary school teacher

[CivCdn]

On 07/02/2019 at 08:34, JDJones said:

When was the last time they took secondary teachers off of the list? Is this idea of them taking the occupation off the list just conjecture? if they took it off, I don't know what I'd do with my life!

Why not apply for a 489 visa then?  Currently open on skills lists in Murray and Southern Inland NSW?

[JDJones]

On 21/02/2019 at 03:18, CivCdn said:

Why not apply for a 489 visa then?  Currently open on skills lists in Murray and Southern Inland NSW?

Because I'm waiting until July when I will go up in points to 70, so am hoping I'll stand more of a chance of getting the visa I want. If I was to take the 489 route, it'd be to Adelaide, as I don't want to be in a tiny town for 2 years.

[JDJones]

On 20/02/2019 at 17:21, Karstedt said:

Yes, a handful of people were invited to drive Uber and work at Kmart on the 13th.

Labor is more likely to return skilled immigration to former levels because of the economic benefit; and their campaign platform is not entrenched in the demonization of immigration. Both parties however, are pledging over 4000 new teachers in the next 4 years, an unprecedented level of growth (amid a 10 year low in applicants). From the stats I've seen, that will only be possible if they increase their 190 teacher intake from this years zero (so far). They don't necessarily need a lot, but there are probably less than 50 of us waiting. However, If the Liberals hold, they will attribute it in part to heir anti-immigration position, and will more likely fail to deliver the teachers rather than increase migrant intake.

Unfortunately, nobody seem interested in migration reform, only viewing it as a 'more' or 'less' numbers game. They are content to let things chug along dis-functionally and flood the service sector with pro-ratas.

I'm going up in points to 70 in July. What are the chances of a quick invite for either a 189 or even 190 (on 75)? 489 is going to be my last resort... Do you think that because federal elections take place in August that they'll close things down for a prolonged period?

[Karstedt]

1 hour ago, JDJones said:

I'm going up in points to 70 in July. What are the chances of a quick invite for either a 189 or even 190 (on 75)? 489 is going to be my last resort... Do you think that because federal elections take place in August that they'll close things down for a prolonged period?

You'd probably get a 189 invite in 2-3 months at 70 points depending on how much the backlog increases before then. I'm seeing zero secondary teacher invites in NSW, so if you haven't gotten it at 70pts, I doubt the extra 5 will make a difference (10 might). They will either decide to invite teachers or not; I do not think the line is long, those with 70+ under 189 have already gone that route, so it's just the dregs like you and me waiting on a 190.

Federal election is anticipated in May.

The 489 sucks because it is provisional. If for some reason you can not get 1 year of full time employment in the specified region you will not qualify to advance to permanent residency; this is particularly problematic for NSW as the regions are broken down into finite sectors within the state (not like SA where basically the entire state is fair game). If you do not want to resort to the service sector, that is a real risk in any professional level occupation, as migrants (particularly those without AU work history) will always be a last choice. It's significantly less risky as a native English speaking white person (not endorsing racial bias, just stating a fact), particularly in a profession like secondary teacher, but still a risk. There is a reason migrants goto the cities (or nearby), and despite a handful of regional areas crying out for migrants, they have policies that discourage those who would be interested and in need of 'extra' points.

[JDJones]

On 22/02/2019 at 17:08, Karstedt said:

You'd probably get a 189 invite in 2-3 months at 70 points depending on how much the backlog increases before then. I'm seeing zero secondary teacher invites in NSW, so if you haven't gotten it at 70pts, I doubt the extra 5 will make a difference (10 might). They will either decide to invite teachers or not; I do not think the line is long, those with 70+ under 189 have already gone that route, so it's just the dregs like you and me waiting on a 190.

Federal election is anticipated in May.

The 489 sucks because it is provisional. If for some reason you can not get 1 year of full time employment in the specified region you will not qualify to advance to permanent residency; this is particularly problematic for NSW as the regions are broken down into finite sectors within the state (not like SA where basically the entire state is fair game). If you do not want to resort to the service sector, that is a real risk in any professional level occupation, as migrants (particularly those without AU work history) will always be a last choice. It's significantly less risky as a native English speaking white person (not endorsing racial bias, just stating a fact), particularly in a profession like secondary teacher, but still a risk. There is a reason migrants goto the cities (or nearby), and despite a handful of regional areas crying out for migrants, they have policies that discourage those who would be interested and in need of 'extra' points.

Do you think that if Gladys gets the boot in March and Labor win, that we might see teachers get invites? I still really can't make out why teachers haven't been invited and yet have still been on the skills list this whole time.

[Karstedt]

No guarantees, but the anti-migrant, 'Sydney is full' agenda comes from Gladys' right Liberal-National camp. As far as I can tell, they basically took all 190 teachers (because there are so few) before this agenda broke in late 2017. Throw in the big promises for education funding and more teachers, I think the only thing that would stop a Labor NSW from inviting teachers is a cooling off period. That said, technically, the Premier serves 'at the Governors pleasure'... with no fixed term, based on their ability to get cooperation. Practically though, facing a minority govt, Gladys probably won't hold Premier for long, if at all.

[CapitalS]

It’s possible that if both parties have made big promises about teachers then this is just a political move and a numbers game. Maybe they will invite all teachers as soon as the election is over and that will add to their 4000 target? I can live in hope!!

[Paniki2018]

Hi there guys, can someone clarify to me about skill assessment on this visa 190, when i was reading the eligibilty on DHA  (Your skills assessment must have been obtained in the 3 years before the date of your invitation. If the assessment was for a shorter period, that period must not have passed.) meaning to say it was expired if 3 years before invitation. Correct me if i am wrong thank you guys.

[Karstedt]

NSW invites dropped today... looks like mostly software engineers to wait tables. Any teachers got one?

[JDJones]

Nope! What a farce...

[Areyousure]

With the liberals winning, what’s in hold for nsw and teachers.

[JDJones]

36 minutes ago, Areyousure said:

With the liberals winning, what’s in hold for nsw and teachers.

I expect nothing to change at all. We'll be retired before we see any invites issued... 

[Karstedt]

6 hours ago, JDJones said:

I expect nothing to change at all. We'll be retired before we see any invites issued... 

Maybe not retired, but lost too many points to age.

I don't think Gladys is directly anti-migrant, but she has exploited the misplaced anti-migrant sentiment to blame-shift her infrastructure failures and is under party pressure to continue doing so. And since she got re-elected, why not more of the same? Very disheartening.

Assuming Rob Stokes [https://www.nsw.gov.au/your-government/ministers/minister-for-education/] returns as NSW Education Minister, everyone should write him and ask how they plan to supply 4600 new teachers.

Aside from the relatively high number of 'suitable applicants' and the profession earning a 'no-shortage' label (as does basically every profession soaking up the majority of migration invites), the latest government report [https://docs.jobs.gov.au/documents/school-teachers-nsw] is a laundry list of why getting that many new teachers will be very difficult. Rising enrollment, attrition rates, decline in applicants, decline in new teacher education enrollement. Heck, it even reports on the average age of teachers being notably higher than in other professions (disconnected as one of the reasons we typically don't get as many points for migration).

Edited March 23, 2019 by Karstedt

[CivCdn]

On 22/02/2019 at 08:38, JDJones said:

Because I'm waiting until July when I will go up in points to 70, so am hoping I'll stand more of a chance of getting the visa I want. If I was to take the 489 route, it'd be to Adelaide, as I don't want to be in a tiny town for 2 years.

It still doesn’t hurt to apply for the 489, getting a provisional visa is better than getting no visa at all.

Once your points go up to 70, see if 80 is still the minimum for South Australia.

With the reduced 189 numbers announced (provided the libs win in May) you’ll be hard pressed to get an invite at 70 points before you reach 33 me thinks.

Edited March 24, 2019 by CivCdn

[Karstedt]

4 hours ago, CivCdn said:

It still doesn’t hurt to apply for the 489, getting a provisional visa is better than getting no visa at all.

Once your points go up to 70, see if 80 is still the minimum for South Australia.

With the reduced 189 numbers announced (provided the libs win in May) you’ll be hard pressed to get an invite at 70 points before you reach 33 me thinks.

489 better than nothing... I would argue that requires careful consideration of your personal circumstances. It is a risk and you could get f'ed. The gov is trying to sell regional provisional as 'do your time, get the PR', but it's not that simple. Especially if for some reason the Libs take federal, I reckon it's likely you'd get the carpet pulled from under you in a couple years time. There have been some good articles by a former DoHA deputy secretary, Abul Rizvi, criticizing the push to regions (and other mismanagement of migration, very detailed and researched) for a lot of reasons, including how easily recipients of such visas could get screwed. I think they are inviting desperation and fraud (of which there is already quite a lot, I reckon also at least partly from tightening the noose, poor point allocation and occupational selection).

I do agree, if the 160k cap sticks with no reform to selection, 70pts will not guarantee a 189 invite even in non-pro-rata.

All that said, I really don't think the Libs stand a chance federally. I don't know what Labor would do though. The anti-migrant fires continue to be stoked with irrational claims, just today some idiot got widely published projecting AU population to reach 1.2 billion in 220 years; based on an erroneous logic that threw his figure about 900 million too high. That's just scare mongering. As long as crap like that is published in the mainstream without an editor making them correct such things, it's as good as cover for the perpetuation of bigoted ideology. Hilariously (kind of), ScoMo used to point out ridiculous math logic regarding migration when he was treasurer... now he slings the exact same crap.

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by Karstedt
I used a wrong number, LOL. Exactly what I was criticizing.

[CivCdn]

12 hours ago, Karstedt said:

489 better than nothing... I would argue that requires careful consideration of your personal circumstances. It is a risk and you could get f'ed. The gov is trying to sell regional provisional as 'do your time, get the PR', but it's not that simple. Especially if for some reason the Libs take federal, I reckon it's likely you'd get the carpet pulled from under you in a couple years time. There have been some good articles by a former DoHA deputy secretary, Abul Rizvi, criticizing the push to regions (and other mismanagement of migration, very detailed and researched) for a lot of reasons, including how easily recipients of such visas could get screwed. I think they are inviting desperation and fraud (of which there is already quite a lot, I reckon also at least partly from tightening the noose, poor point allocation and occupational selection).

I do agree, if the 160k cap sticks with no reform to selection, 70pts will not guarantee a 189 invite even in non-pro-rata.

All that said, I really don't think the Libs stand a chance federally. I don't know what Labor would do though. The anti-migrant fires continue to be stoked with irrational claims, just today some idiot got widely published projecting AU population to reach 1.2 billion in 220 years; based on an erroneous logic that threw his figure about 900 million too high. That's just scare mongering. As long as crap like that is published in the mainstream without an editor making them correct such things, it's as good as cover for the perpetuation of bigoted ideology. Hilariously (kind of), ScoMo used to point out ridiculous math logic regarding migration when he was treasurer... now he slings the exact same crap.

 

If the labour were to win, we’ll see if they also back the 30k cut. Hope not for our sake, but with all the uncertainty lately who knows.

Regarding the 489, one can also apply for a 190 or 189 if they become eligible, while holding a 489. 

It would surprise me if government took away the PR after “time served” (as some would say) on a 489.

Edited March 24, 2019 by CivCdn

[Ashnan]

Hi all

I have just lodged (last week) my 190  (teachers) with 70 points (including state 5 points) for NSW.  Reading all the comments in this forum I really doubt my chances and I will be losing the 5 points in Oct for the age.  I have tried IELTS more than 10 times to increase points but every time I have 3x8 and 1x7 in one of the components.  

Can someone advice if we still hold a chance to be invited for 190 at 70 points and also,  I have seen some of you claiming 20 points for English, may I ask which test you have done and where at? 

[Burnsie]

6 hours ago, Ashnan said:

Hi all

I have just lodged (last week) my 190  (teachers) with 70 points (including state 5 points) for NSW.  Reading all the comments in this forum I really doubt my chances and I will be losing the 5 points in Oct for the age.  I have tried IELTS more than 10 times to increase points but every time I have 3x8 and 1x7 in one of the components.  

Can someone advice if we still hold a chance to be invited for 190 at 70 points and also,  I have seen some of you claiming 20 points for English, may I ask which test you have done and where at? 

Hi, fellow teacher here awaiting 189 Visa... I did IELTS and got 20 points (1st time miraculously!)

[CapitalS]

I did the IELTS but I am an English teacher and an English native so it would have been really embarrassing not to get over 8. 

I hear the other test - the Pearson one - can be a better one to sit in the sense that it is a fairer way to measure your English skills. I didn’t like the ielts for several reasons. The topics for the writing and speaking are both random and ridiculous and the listening wasn’t set up well. I found myself drifting off and missed a question and also the layout was confusing. I.e listen, answer one question. listen,  answer one question and then listen but answer a series of questions. No repetition of the information either which, if you get distracted for a moment, means missing out several points. This easily brings your marks down under a band 8. It’s just not a great indication of your ability in English! 

[Ashnan]

Thanks, Burnsie and CapitalS for your reply.  Congrats for getting 8 at first attempt Burnsie.

I have checked other forums and all suggest Pearson is better so I am thinking of giving it a go.

[JDJones]

I'm seriously losing the will to live...

Right! I've got 65 points at the moment. Can't get any more until July when I get 5 more for experience. Tired of waiting. 189 will not happen anytime soon, and NSW are killing my soul with their inaction. What other options are there? I specialise in English and Media Studies but can teach any humanities subject. I'm all ears to suggestions!

[SarahL]

15 hours ago, JDJones said:

I'm seriously losing the will to live...

Right! I've got 65 points at the moment. Can't get any more until July when I get 5 more for experience. Tired of waiting. 189 will not happen anytime soon, and NSW are killing my soul with their inaction. What other options are there? I specialise in English and Media Studies but can teach any humanities subject. I'm all ears to suggestions!

Haven’t read your other posts so not sure if this is relevant to you but you could go over on a working holiday visa and work as a teacher.  Would get some more points for Australian experience and at least you would be waiting in the sunshine!! If you go this route then make sure you get your Australian (state specific) teachers registration done before you go as that takes months!! Good luck 

[JDJones]

1 hour ago, SarahL said:

Haven’t read your other posts so not sure if this is relevant to you but you could go over on a working holiday visa and work as a teacher.  Would get some more points for Australian experience and at least you would be waiting in the sunshine!! If you go this route then make sure you get your Australian (state specific) teachers registration done before you go as that takes months!! Good luck 

Hi Sarah. I've already done the WHV in 2011 and am now too old to do it anyway.

[JDJones]

On 23/03/2019 at 18:57, Karstedt said:

Maybe not retired, but lost too many points to age.

I don't think Gladys is directly anti-migrant, but she has exploited the misplaced anti-migrant sentiment to blame-shift her infrastructure failures and is under party pressure to continue doing so. And since she got re-elected, why not more of the same? Very disheartening.

Assuming Rob Stokes [https://www.nsw.gov.au/your-government/ministers/minister-for-education/] returns as NSW Education Minister, everyone should write him and ask how they plan to supply 4600 new teachers.

Aside from the relatively high number of 'suitable applicants' and the profession earning a 'no-shortage' label (as does basically every profession soaking up the majority of migration invites), the latest government report [https://docs.jobs.gov.au/documents/school-teachers-nsw] is a laundry list of why getting that many new teachers will be very difficult. Rising enrollment, attrition rates, decline in applicants, decline in new teacher education enrollement. Heck, it even reports on the average age of teachers being notably higher than in other professions (disconnected as one of the reasons we typically don't get as many points for migration).

So I emailed his department and someone got back to me this morning. It was very generic and didn't clarify anything regarding teachers being invited or remaining on the list, just the standard "competition is fierce, we rank our criteria by occupation, high points, high level of English" bla bla bla.

I emailed back basically saying if I had more points, I wouldn't need 190, nor would anyone else, as 70 is usually enough to be invited on a 189. I said I had superior English, almost 3 years employment in the skilled occupation, and therefore should qualify if you still actually need teachers. I asked them to tell me why, if I'm hitting the criteria as best as most can, why aren't we invited or why is the skill still on the list.

I'm not holding my breath for any groundbreaking news... 

[JDJones]

I got a response from someone in the NSW department for education. They said that apparently someone got invited last month on 80 points, so it is still open... but seriously, 80 points?! Probably the only one invited this year. Feel completely dejected now. Never going to happen unless I do a PHd and can stop my age clock.