Keith and Linda Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 The EU is a far larger net importer than the UK but everyone thinks the UK can get better deals than the EU can. Good luck with that. Well note quite everyone! 52% maybe, however it will be more about getting deals and not trying to get 'one over' any other deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 And nor should they. Deals should be made so they are fair to both parties. The UK has been getting the shaft within the EU. It's time to even that up a bit, not punish. Why would they want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The Scots will be looking to France as in days of yore. Bonnie Prince Charlie lives again. As for the Irish, well the Germans are looking good. Maybe the rest of the broken up country should form an alliance with mother Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 ohhhhh look the footsie 100 is above what it was last week before the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 [ATTACH=CONFIG]33751[/ATTACH] So to be a good leader you cannot have fun, you must be some boring grey nomad... boris was doing this for a cancer charity, was he wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So to be a good leader you cannot have fun, you must be some boring grey nomad... boris was doing this for a cancer charity, was he wrong? Don't South Africans have a sense of humour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccavi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It starts. Waste no time, even a T-shirt has been printed up with 'We Won! Poles go home'. A broadcaster is called 'a Paki'/ a Polish father and son have been beaten up/ racist graffiti has been sprayed on a Polish community centre/ a man goes around showing his passport/ my ugly money has been donated. Oh yes! Boris is calling for calm, Nigel has a big grin on his face/ he has accused Boris of softening his stance; probably because Boris has called for calm. This is the ugly face of it. So many 'are not involved'; but so many voted with this issue unspoken, -including a couple of my friends. I'm surprised with my cultural background that they tolerate me. Possibly because I have an acceptable skin colour.... Why, when this IS going on is this post going to irritate some of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell123321 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 So to be a good leader you cannot have fun, you must be some boring grey nomad... boris was doing this for a cancer charity, was he wrong? I think Boris is a great people person, he gets stuck in and not scared to make him self look silly in aid of a good cause. Not sure if I want him as Prime Minister or not, but to me his a great people person which beats a lot of the prime ministers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No you should have listened to me ? .. Thank god for the working class people of the midlands and the north who decided the outcome . Forget people like Boris and Cameron and bloody champagne socialist Jeremy corbyn . It was LABOUR MP john Mann ,who understood the complaints of the working class people in the north . Zero hour contracts being one of the issues. Corbyn is supposed to represent these people ,and he was nowhere to be seen . There was no celebration or back slapping . The hard work begins . We have left a failing organisation ,and are once again self employed ?. We will be back ...britain always is .... People on this forum wrote us off as recent as 2008 during the economic crisis . We are now the 5th largest economy in the world ....we might take a dip ,but it will be temporary . Article in the ft about Sunderland Nissan plant being in danger. Honda too. But it's pay for view. If someone could summarise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I believe it will be. Just think about the fishing industry alone. An island nation surrounded by rich waters. Getting back the 80% they were not allowed to take. It will be a renaissance. Didn't we nearly wipe out for, and hasn't it only just recovered? Not my subject, but I remember reading some such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It starts. Waste no time, even a T-shirt has been printed up with 'We Won! Poles go home'. A broadcaster is called 'a Paki'/ a Polish father and son have been beaten up/ racist graffiti has been sprayed on a Polish community centre/ a man goes around showing his passport/ my ugly money has been donated. Oh yes! Boris is calling for calm, Nigel has a big grin on his face/ he has accused Boris of softening his stance; probably because Boris has called for calm. This is the ugly face of it. So many 'are not involved'; but so many voted with this issue unspoken, -including a couple of my friends. I'm surprised with my cultural background that they tolerate me. Possibly because I have an acceptable skin colour.... Why, when this IS going on is this post going to irritate some of you? Why? the incidents you mention are such a tiny tiny minority that I and most people have not even heard of them, a reply is not worth a mention as most people know that you always get a couple of nutters everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccavi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Why? the incidents you mention are such a tiny tiny minority that I and most people have not even heard of them, a reply is not worth a mention as most people know that you always get a couple of nutters everywhere. But you did reply Pbum and I appreciate it. I mean that. There have been many incidents-far more than I have listed, and that is within days. It will get worse, but I hope it does not. Let's wait and see.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Didn't we nearly wipe out for, and hasn't it only just recovered? Not my subject, but I remember reading some such thing. Mine neither. A sensible quota on fishing levels seems prudent to me. Not sure what that's got to do with the UK fishing 100% of that quota instead of 20%. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Mine neither. A sensible quota on fishing levels seems prudent to me. Not sure what that's got to do with the UK fishing 100% of that quota instead of 20%. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk One example of many that so many people have no clue about diplomacy and international cooperation. Inside or outside the EU Britain will be obliged to make trade-offs with neighbouring countries and global trading partners. These negotiations take years or even decades simply because both sides need to feel that they have gained. The UK is not going to take 100% of anything without giving something else away. The only alternative to give and take is war. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I'm aware of how difficult and time consuming diplomacy can be. I'm not suggesting that the UK remove fish caught in British waters from the European market. They will just buy it from British fishermen instead of French/Spanish/Dutch/etc ones. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I'm aware of how difficult and time consuming diplomacy can be. I'm not suggesting that the UK remove fish caught in British waters from the European market. They will just buy it from British fishermen instead of French/Spanish/Dutch/etc ones. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk No, you are suggesting that these countries would accept the loss to their own fishing industries without any repercussions to Britain. The naivety is breathtaking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Britain had to in the 70s, why would it be different this time? If they want to buy it tariff free, that's up to them. Why should the UK share their resource? Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No, you are suggesting that these countries would accept the loss to their own fishing industries without any repercussions to Britain. The naivety is breathtaking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk the UKs fishing waters are the most STOCKED AND RICHEST of any other country in the EU,, the fishing industry are dancing in the streets at the prospect of having their own waters back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Britain had to in the 70s, why would it be different this time? If they want to buy it tariff free, that's up to them. Why should the UK share their resource? Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quid pro quo, give and take, win some, lose some. Are you really so one-eyed you can only see something from one perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 As I've already started in either this thread or another, there of course has to be negotiation and a deal that works for both sides. There is no reason however why the UK should allow foreign fishing vesicles to operate in British water. That would be stupid. The point of getting out of the eu is to be removed from the stupid rules we were bound to. This is one of the most stupid. Even Norway who you love to comment about how much they follow eu rules doesn't allow that. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 As I've already started in either this thread or another, there of course has to be negotiation and a deal that works for both sides. There is no reason however why the UK should allow foreign fishing vesicles to operate in British water. That would be stupid. The point of getting out of the eu is to be removed from the stupid rules we were bound to. This is one of the most stupid. Even Norway who you love to comment about how much they follow eu rules doesn't allow that. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Divorce is not the same as never getting married in the first place. You start from a different standpoint. When negotiating everything will be on the table for agreement including fishing. I would love to see the world as you do, it must seem so simple and beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 No, you are suggesting that these countries would accept the loss to their own fishing industries without any repercussions to Britain. The naivety is breathtaking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk But this is what has got a lot of people's back up, the U.K. Is being constantly told what it can and can't do from Brussels , you are saying that it's ok for uk fishermen to be put out of work so as long as other EU countries retain their fishing fleet, your happy for this to be destroyed ? it needs to be a level playing field and at the current time Europe is not , when we went it the common market back in 73 it was a totally different concept altogether ,it was about trade deals and at that time its members had about 37% of world trade today that figure is around 19% , it has gone backwards, the euro is a failed currency can you honestly tell me how Greece is ever going to pay its debts off , they moved the goal posts so many times so that Greece could join the euro because it simply did not meet the requirements of joining and now we are seeing the effects The whole Eu needs a radical overhaul ,there are simply to many different cultures ,ways of life and values for it to be a one cap fits all. I respect your pro EU but at the moment what you are saying would not convince me to stay within the Eu in its current form. I don't think that the uk will be the last country to exit it under current form either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Divorce has obligations, this doesn't. The UK could just walk away and say fine we'll sell our fish elsewhere and not buy any of your goods. And they will hurt more than us. That said, I think that would be a terrible outcome for both sides. But the UK had no obligation or reason to give up fishing rights. It was one of the most important reasons to leave. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 the UKs fishing waters are the most STOCKED AND RICHEST of any other country in the EU,, the fishing industry are dancing in the streets at the prospect of having their own waters back. Norway has a lot of freedom with fishing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35354288 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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