Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Hey PomsInOz, As you may or may not be aware, we DO NOT have Daylight Savings in Perth. As a forum dedicated to expats from the UK, you will have had Daylight Savings in your home country and understand the benefits. The latest sunset we have in Perth this year will be 7.27pm which occurs in January. Even for the very latest sunset for the year we are not allowing residents the chance to enjoy the world class weather our city is privvy to. London (9.22pm), Dublin (9.57pm), Edinburgh (10.03pm) and Cardiff (9.34pm) all have much later sunsets due to Daylight Savings which allow its residents to socialise after hours during the working week. Nationally, Sydney and Melbourne both have Daylight Savings which means when the roll their clocks forward, we go from being 2 hours behind to 3 hours behind which hurts our state economically in reducing our window for trade. Locally, the additional hour of sunlight promotes social interaction meaning more money spent in our local restaurants, bars and social clubs. A petition has started to introduce Daylight Savings here and we have already amassed 1,000 signatures. We are only looking to add 1 additional hour during summer in line with the eastern states and if you have 20 seconds, click the link below and sign the petition. Be sure to also paste the link to your Facebook page to keep the signatures rolling in. Without you the petition stops in its tracks, so please share with your family and friends https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/yes-to-perth-daylight-savings.html Thanks very much! Tim Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuffythetugboat Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 It will never happen as the curtains will fade. Everyone knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzukiscottie Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 They tried it for a couple of years back in the mid-2000's. I remember the arguing between the locals at the time. (I was only there on business at the time) I guess WA preferred it without daylight savings at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernbird Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I voted against and would do again. It's nice having the daylight but with that comes the heat which I don't like. i don't understand how it stops people socialising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Haha yeah that about sums it up. Sounds like a line that belongs in this video - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I couldn't stick it in the UK, threw my sleep patterns right out of whack. Can't see the difference 1 hour would make, just a waste of time and effort. Being dark doesn't stop socialising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 It's nice to watch a sunset and still have hours of us time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freckleface Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Western Australians have rejected daylight saving in a least 4 referendums over the years. I think it was trailed for two or three years before the 2009 vote where it was rejected again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Are people in perth really that thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wooba Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Surprised to see this thread. Not that long ago there were quite a few calls for it to be eliminated in north America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I like daylight saving. It's light here just after 5:30 am and still light at 8:00 pm. In the summer, we can still be out walking at 9:00 pm as it's not dark then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Surprised to see this thread. Not that long ago there were quite a few calls for it to be eliminated in north America. Not exactly the shining example of a country that we want to be following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Besides the fact that I find John Oliver hilarious, this does nothing to address any social or economic benefits that can be attributed to more daylight during our waking hours. There are still real benefits from power saving. There is also the added benefit of being able to trade for an extra hour with the Eastern States, as well as promoting more trade whilst socialising during daylight hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Western Australians have rejected daylight saving in a least 4 referendums over the years. I think it was trailed for two or three years before the 2009 vote where it was rejected again. It is indeed correct that there has been 3 referendums before the most recent 2009 referendum, however these were back in 1975, 1984 and 1992. The most recent referendum is was voted down with 54% of the vote. It should however be noted that Western Australians voted down extended hours trading back in 2005 with 59% of the vote. This was effectively overruled by Colin Barnett and opposition leader Eric Ripper in 2010. If they didn't overrule this, we would still only be able to shop for groceries on Thursday nights during the week. Sundays nothing would be open. I wouldn't put it past the Perth population to vote something down simply because they don't like the idea of change. Once it is there they don't seem have any issues with it. If a strong enough case can be made and promoted heavily enough that people hear it, there is no reason after 7 years since the last referendum that this couldn't pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Not exactly the shining example of a country that we want to be following. Which country are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Besides the fact that I find John Oliver hilarious, this does nothing to address any social or economic benefits that can be attributed to more daylight during our waking hours. There are still real benefits from power saving. There is also the added benefit of being able to trade for an extra hour with the Eastern States, as well as promoting more trade whilst socialising during daylight hours. I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject. It seems sensible to me that being closer to the Eastern time zones would make sense. But I don't see why joining daylight savings has to be the way towards that. Eliminating daylight savings in the East will achieve the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Which country are you referring to? Sorry, this was in reference to one posters comment about some people in North America wanting to abolish daylight savings. My comment was that they aren't exactly the best country to model our social structures and ideals on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject. It seems sensible to me that being closer to the Eastern time zones would make sense. But I don't see why joining daylight savings has to be the way towards that. Eliminating daylight savings in the East will achieve the same thing. Unfortunately we are not in a position to rally other States to change their policies and are only in a position to change our own back yard. There really is no expert on the subject, it is just about what benefits you as an individual see, and if you believe you would benefit of having an extra hour after work as opposed to before work, then you would be for daylight savings. Not everyone will be for it and that is perfectly understandable, but my position is that it will be beneficial for a great majority socially and economically and I think for most people it is a matter of not being aware of the benefits that they would rather vote no to keep the status quo. It is not about convincing those who would vote 'no' to change their mind. That's not going to happen. It is about the very high percentage of people who are indifferent or not educated on the benefits of Daylight Savings and making them aware of the benefits so they can make an informed decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooba Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Sorry, this was in reference to one posters comment about some people in North America wanting to abolish daylight savings. My comment was that they aren't exactly the best country to model our social structures and ideals on. Yes, that was my post. North America is not a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernbird Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Unfortunately we are not in a position to rally other States to change their policies and are only in a position to change our own back yard. There really is no expert on the subject, it is just about what benefits you as an individual see, and if you believe you would benefit of having an extra hour after work as opposed to before work, then you would be for daylight savings. Not everyone will be for it and that is perfectly understandable, but my position is that it will be beneficial for a great majority socially and economically and I think for most people it is a matter of not being aware of the benefits that they would rather vote no to keep the status quo. It is not about convincing those who would vote 'no' to change their mind. That's not going to happen. It is about the very high percentage of people who are indifferent or not educated on the benefits of Daylight Savings and making them aware of the benefits so they can make an informed decision. Obviously I am a no voter but if I was on the fence explain to me how I would benefit socially to having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Obviously I am a no voter but if I was on the fence explain to me how I would benefit socially to having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. Yes, I know I actually look better in candlelight :wink::laugh: but if that's not available we actually have electric and everything here, it's amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Stone Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Obviously I am a no voter but if I was on the fence explain to me how I would benefit socially to having an extra hour of daylight in the evening. This is from the petition link - https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/yes-to-perth-daylight-savings.html By not introducing Daylight Savings (DS) in Western Australia, we are inadvertently promoting an anti-social society that does not allow people to come together during the working week. Our ability to connect as a family unit, with our neighbours, socially as friends or as a society in general is affected by not increasing the hours of sunlight during the summer months. The latest sunset we have in Perth this year will be 7.27pm in January. Even for the very latest sunset for the year we are not allowing residents the chance to enjoy the world class weather our city is privvy to, except from their car or public transport as they make their way home. Established, progressive European cities such as London (latest sunset 9.22pm) and Paris (latest sunset 9.58pm) allow their residents far greater opportunity to come together and promote social interaction. Economically, Western Australian businesses will thrive. Our states residents will be given a larger window of opportunity to socialise during sunlight hours as a result of DS, and as a result people will spend more in restaurants, bars and social arenas which will increase the amount of money being put back into our local economy. Nationally and internationally, by NOT commencing DS in line with the Eastern States we reduce out trading hours by 1 hour every day. For those businesses reliant upon communication with the Eastern States, their window for commerce and communication narrows from the standard 2 hour time difference to 3 hours every day. The latest referendum for DS was on May 16, 2009 (6 1/2 years ago) where the NO vote prevailed with 54.56% of the vote. Colin Barnett stated at this time that DS "should not be considered for another 20 years". In that time we have extended trading hours and made small steps in reform to allow our State to become more progressive. Let's push for a new vote on this subject to bring about a YES vote on DS that will bring us into the 21st century and allow us as a city to prosper both socially and economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 This is from the petition link - https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/yes-to-perth-daylight-savings.html By not introducing Daylight Savings (DS) in Western Australia, we are inadvertently promoting an anti-social society that does not allow people to come together during the working week. Our ability to connect as a family unit, with our neighbours, socially as friends or as a society in general is affected by not increasing the hours of sunlight during the summer months. The latest sunset we have in Perth this year will be 7.27pm in January. Even for the very latest sunset for the year we are not allowing residents the chance to enjoy the world class weather our city is privvy to, except from their car or public transport as they make their way home. Established, progressive European cities such as London (latest sunset 9.22pm) and Paris (latest sunset 9.58pm) allow their residents far greater opportunity to come together and promote social interaction. Economically, Western Australian businesses will thrive. Our states residents will be given a larger window of opportunity to socialise during sunlight hours as a result of DS, and as a result people will spend more in restaurants, bars and social arenas which will increase the amount of money being put back into our local economy. Nationally and internationally, by NOT commencing DS in line with the Eastern States we reduce out trading hours by 1 hour every day. For those businesses reliant upon communication with the Eastern States, their window for commerce and communication narrows from the standard 2 hour time difference to 3 hours every day. The latest referendum for DS was on May 16, 2009 (6 1/2 years ago) where the NO vote prevailed with 54.56% of the vote. Colin Barnett stated at this time that DS "should not be considered for another 20 years". In that time we have extended trading hours and made small steps in reform to allow our State to become more progressive. Let's push for a new vote on this subject to bring about a YES vote on DS that will bring us into the 21st century and allow us as a city to prosper both socially and economically. What a load of sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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