paul1977 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 That's a broad sweeping statement. Are you including National Insurance as tax? Uk average wage is 25k. Compared with 50K Australian the UK net is significantly lower... But you obviously like taxing the poor rather than the rich. Tax the people who earn more.. Nice one.. Ever thought people get skills, take risks to earn more money only for the people who don't to shout out they should pay more.. 48% is quite enough thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 And you pay way more in tax in Australia than the UKReally?In summary, Australia’s net personal average tax rate is placed between eleventh and fifteenth lowest in the OECD-30 for seven out of the eight family types. The exception is for a single worker earning 67 per cent of the average wage with two children for which Australia is third lowest in the OECD-30. Australia’s net personal marginal tax rate is above both the OECD-30 and OECD-10 averages for a single worker earning 167 per cent of the average wage with no children, a single parent earning 67 per cent of the average wage with two children and for a single income married couple earning the average wage with two children. For families with dependants, any high net personal marginal tax rates are a result of Australia’s relatively highly targeted social security system. http://comparativetaxation.treasury.gov.au/content/report/html/06_Chapter_4-08.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Tax the people who earn more.. Nice one.. Ever thought people get skills, take risks to earn more money only for the people who don't to shout out they should pay more.. 48% is quite enough thank you You don't pay 48% in tax Paul. What skills do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You don't pay 48% in tax Paul. What skills do you have? Clearly more skills than you, don't have to prove any pay slip to you.. Oil and gas industry if your really that concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Clearly more skills than you, don't have to prove any pay slip to you.. Oil and gas industry if your really that concerned I know you don't need to "prove any pay slip to you". But you aren't taxed totally in the highest bracket, that isn't how it works. Plus you really should get a half decent tax accountant if you aren't getting anything back at the end of the year. I would rather earn a bit less and work a 9-5 10 mins down the road with an office job than earn your big bucks in wherever you have to fly in fly out to. Or don't you have the skills?I just went home for lunch :wink: that's a good benefit of my job right there. Maybe you should give it a go, you don't seem to be the happiest fellow in your postings. Or is it purely Australia's fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I know you don't need to "prove any pay slip to you". But you aren't taxed totally in the highest bracket, that isn't how it works. Plus you really should get a half decent tax accountant if you aren't getting anything back at the end of the year. I would rather earn a bit less and work a 9-5 10 mins down the road with an office job than earn your big bucks in wherever you have to fly in fly out to. Or don't you have the skills?I just went home for lunch :wink: that's a good benefit of my job right there. Maybe you should give it a go, you don't seem to be the happiest fellow in your postings. Or is it purely Australia's fault? Well a large part of my salary is taxed at 37% then more at 48%... Just because you earn well you don't get money back at the end of the year.. You have to have things to put against your tax to get some back, but I guess you already know that.. My out look on things is I won't be slaving away on a mortgage for 25 years plus.. Short term pain for long term gain.. Enjoy your lunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I have worked as an RN in both countries and despite the NHS being constantly degraded by the media have found it to be better than here in Oz particulary in emergency care / ICU and tertiary hospitals. I have worked both in the public and private system in Oz and found very little difference other that the queue is shorter for non emergency procedures. My husband is worried about moving to the UK (he's an Aussie) because he perceives the health care as poor compared to Australia. He has never had health insurance in Australia and has relied entirely on Medicare. On the rare occasion where he's been faced with a waiting list and he's not been willing to wait, he's paid for it (e.g. he had his cataract surgery done privately). The thing is, I've never heard of people doing that in the UK - people just seem to have to wait. Is that because it's not the culture, or because private health care is horribly expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I believe he is correct, the Australian system is better. no its not NHS is better AS VOTED IN A RECENT SURVEY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 no its not NHS is better AS VOTED IN A RECENT SURVEY. So you will base it off one survey? It also depends your situation. If you are rich and in America you will get far better health care than in Australia or the UK yet ranks lowly in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 So you will base it off one survey? It also depends your situation. If you are rich and in America you will get far better health care than in Australia or the UK yet ranks lowly in that. The NHS is far better than the USA for the working man, in the USA if you have little money you die......of course anywhere in the world if you have the money you get the best, dont really understand what you are on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The NHS is far better than the USA for the working man, in the USA if you have little money you die......of course anywhere in the world if you have the money you get the best, dont really understand what you are on about. What i'm saying is that it is stupid to make an assumption based off one organisations rankings and making absolute statements about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The NHS is far better than the USA for the working man, in the USA if you have little money you die......of course anywhere in the world if you have the money you get the best, dont really understand what you are on about. What i'm saying is that it is stupid to make an assumption based off one organisations rankings and making absolute statements about it Look I have a link which shows Australia to be better. http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/australian-health-care-where-do-we-stand-internationally-20140902-10bn5s.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jac2011 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If the NHS is so superior then why are 4 new cancer drugs being taken off by the NHS in order to save money? As a nation we are so used to free healthcare that very few of us actually pay for our healthcare and we therefore get used to a free system, however little do we realise that the care we are receiving is often about the 'cheapest' medication. As nurse I often saw consultants (when I was a student in the NHS not now I am in private) going through the BNF to prescribe the cheapest drug, not the drug with the least side effects or the drug with the most chance of success. We are so used to the NHS we do not ask questions, we presume we are receiving the best care, we are told to be proud of our NHS. So why are A&E's running dangerously full, why are ambulance services being cut back, why are the levels of nurses reducing? In the NHS I worked on a ward with 20 patients and 2 nurses, 2 HCAs. I now work on a private hospital ward with 1 nurse and 6 HCAs but only 12 patients. Our patients go out weekly rambling, on excursions to historic places, museums, country parks. In the NHS ward I worked on the patients rarely left the Unit unless they had unescorted leave and took themselves out. Yes you may be proud of your NHS but from what I see, those patients within the NHS are the ones losing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolboy Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 downgrading of medication happen here to. I was given a lower cost chemo drug for 3 months and it caused massive issues for me. I was back on the proper stuff as soon as my specialist found out . I've no experience with the NHS but I hope a patience in the UK isn't out of pocket each month like I am with my meds. To the OP both countries are 1st world countries the healthcare should be fine in either country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 What i'm saying is that it is stupid to make an assumption based off one organisations rankings and making absolute statements about it what system do you believe is better for the working man? forget about the rich they can afford private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 downgrading of medication happen here to. I was given a lower cost chemo drug for 3 months and it caused massive issues for me. I was back on the proper stuff as soon as my specialist found out . I've no experience with the NHS but I hope a patience in the UK isn't out of pocket each month like I am with my meds. To the OP both countries are 1st world countries the healthcare should be fine in either country. most people in the UK do not have to pay for meds, cant you claim the cost back in Oz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelP Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I broke a bone in my finger on my last stay (8 months) in the UK and was refused treatment at Leeds General Infirmary as I was "not a habitual resident" of the UK. The nurse at A&E bandaged my finger, advised me to take two Panadol and said I would have to see the accounts department and pay if I wanted the bone fixed. This was despite me having a UK passport, being born at that hospital and even having worked there during my summer holidays from uni! This was one of the factors that led me to return to Australia. If you are an Aussie you will be entitled to 'emergency treatment' only in UK hospitals under reciprocal arrangements with Australia. I have a crooked badly healed ring finger to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I broke a bone in my finger on my last stay (8 months) in the UK and was refused treatment at Leeds General Infirmary as I was "not a habitual resident" of the UK. The nurse at A&E bandaged my finger, advised me to take two Panadol and said I would have to see the accounts department and pay if I wanted the bone fixed. This was despite me having a UK passport, being born at that hospital and even having worked there during my summer holidays from uni! This was one of the factors that led me to return to Australia. If you are an Aussie you will be entitled to 'emergency treatment' only in UK hospitals under reciprocal arrangements with Australia. I have a crooked badly healed ring finger to prove it.i dont believe you.... Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 most people in the UK do not have to pay for meds, cant you claim the cost back in Oz? Nope you cant claim the cost back in Aus unless you are over the threshold for medical costs in a year or you are very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adele244 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 i dont believe you.... Sorry I actually wouldn't be too surprised. The only reason being, my friend came back to the UK after 12 months back packing Oz. After being back around 3-4months she discovered she was pregnant. When she went for the scan, it somehow cropped up that she had been out of the country for 12 months. This really opened a can of worms, they then said she would have to pay for the scans and the child birth!!! Even though she had never been out of work since 16 years old and only left for the twelve months, was BACK IN WORK when she went for the scan!! I honestly couldn't believe it either. Needless to say she kicked up a big stink and had nothing to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I actually wouldn't be too surprised. The only reason being, my friend came back to the UK after 12 months back packing Oz. After being back around 3-4months she discovered she was pregnant. When she went for the scan, it somehow cropped up that she had been out of the country for 12 months. This really opened a can of worms, they then said she would have to pay for the scans and the child birth!!! Even though she had never been out of work since 16 years old and only left for the twelve months, was BACK IN WORK when she went for the scan!! I honestly couldn't believe it either. Needless to say she kicked up a big stink and had nothing to pay. Hmmmmmm really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelP Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) @paul1977 see http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/uk-visitors/Pages/accessing-nhs-services.aspx "Non-UK residents will also be charged for hospital treatments. If you are an overseas visitor to the UK you may be charged for some treatments and, depending on how urgent it is, you will usually have to pay in advance." Edited December 17, 2014 by MichaelP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 @paul1977 see www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/uk-visitors/Pages/accessing-nhs-services.aspx "Non-UK residents will also be charged for hospital treatments. If you are an overseas visitor to the UK you may be charged for some treatments and, depending on how urgent it is, you will usually have to pay in advance." [ATTACH=CONFIG]27770[/ATTACH] the people that were mentioned in above post were british passport holders..they will treat you, in fact they treat anyone or anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 the people that were mentioned in above post were british passport holders..they will treat you, in fact they treat anyone or anything Maybe that's why National Insurance is so high :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Maybe that's why National Insurance is so high :wink:It's not if your self employed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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