Petals Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 http://www.theage.com.au/money/planning/master-of-your-own-makeover-20140429-37efm.html Interesting article in the Age today. May be helpful to people who are thinking of migrating or have migrated and are finding it hard to find a job in their field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobj Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 http://www.theage.com.au/money/planning/master-of-your-own-makeover-20140429-37efm.html Interesting article in the Age today. May be helpful to people who are thinking of migrating or have migrated and are finding it hard to find a job in their field. Good one, Petals. Time served apprenticeship as a woolsorter in British Central Bradford, came to Australia and got work in various types of construction; roads, railways, bridges, etc. I think it really is well worth changing jobs if one's profession is difficult to come by in a new country. Cheers, Bobj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The problem is that the nature of immigration today is that most are leaving successful well paying jobs to come to Australia. If they then find themselves having to go and do something else, it results in a severe reduction in living standards and although the sun may shine and money isnt everything, it makes the move somewhat pointless for many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Anyone who thinks that any job is for life needs to have a rethink. I did an apprenticeship with the NCB as a fitter when I left school, worked for them for about 10 years, changed to the water board, BPC, pipeline testing in the oil and gas industry (got that job because I knew a lot about pumps and pipework and could weld and repair things), went back to tech to do a HNC in robotics when I was 30, due to maggies policies just about wiping out jobs in the North of England. Still no jobs when that finished so went to Uni and did a Computer Science degree. Started at the bottom with Ferranti as a Graduate Engineer at 32, earning less than I had been on as a fitter at 22. Difference was I wasn't in dirty overalls clocking on at 8:00am. Luckily at that time I wasn't married or it wouldn't have been an option, it's expensive going to Uni and I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't have been single with no mortgage or massive outgoings. It's worked out well though, couldn't imagine being a fitter and having to be in the dirt and physical intensity of the job as I've got older. It's fine carrying oxygen and acetylene cylinders round on you shoulders when you're young and working in a very macho environment, it was good fun. You have to adapt and change and I think for each generation they will have to learn to adapt even more. Technology moves at a cracking pace and I'm sure some jobs haven't even have been thought about yet. It's interesting times but don't panic and enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The problem is that the nature of immigration today is that most are leaving successful well paying jobs to come to Australia. If they then find themselves having to go and do something else, it results in a severe reduction in living standards and although the sun may shine and money isnt everything, it makes the move somewhat pointless for many Totally agree , left uk to come here not been the best move at the minute , although not been out of work here either , just not enough of it going on future looks bleak a bit , earnings in uk 55 to 75 pounds per hour in uk my hubbie left , for me seeking sun lol , went through recessions in uk never it us thankfully , come here on a parr with uk earnings when converted back only thing is more work in uk at minute , I'm not ungrateful not by any means but , apprentiship in engineering field , college , B tech , hnc , then engineering council exams , chartered at the age of 29 with 3 young kids in tow don't want to go backwards sorry . Change of career would never be on the cards for my hubby not in a million years he lives and breaths engineering he has a passion for it what he does well , a friend who worked with my other half said you are born a engineer you don't just become one , at the end of the day I thought I try Australia and don't get me wrong it's going ok , but if work dried up as he was totally out of work he's got jobs coming in all time from uk , America , Malaysia , Doha , Dallas with his skills go anywhere not just uk or oz , it's just a shame work has took a downturn but he's not that desperate to live in Australia to make a career change when he loves what he does . :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The problem for many as well is the cost of re-training now. I did it in the UK - went from being a recruitement consultant to a geologist. We managed (just) because we had a tiny mortgage and some help here and there. Then, the fees were small the funding decent. Now, i simply could not afford it. Have looked at it recently, but simply not possible. To be honest as well, i am not sure it is often worth it. It was for me because when i graduated there were jobs, but those who started a 4 years geology degree a few years ago thinking they were going to change career are now going to graduate to a big debt and no job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Totally agree , left uk to come here not been the best move at the minute , although not been out of work here either , just not enough of it going on future looks bleak a bit , earnings in uk 55 to 75 pounds per hour in uk my hubbie left , for me seeking sun lol , went through recessions in uk never it us thankfully , come here on a parr with uk earnings when converted back only thing is more work in uk at minute , I'm not ungrateful not by any means but , apprentiship in engineering field , college , B tech , hnc , then engineering council exams , chartered at the age of 29 with 3 young kids in tow don't want to go backwards sorry . Change of career would never be on the cards for my hubby not in a million years he lives and breaths engineering he has a passion for it what he does well , a friend who worked with my other half said you are born a engineer you don't just become one , at the end of the day I thought I try Australia and don't get me wrong it's going ok , but if work dried up as he was totally out of work he's got jobs coming in all time from uk , America , Malaysia , Doha , Dallas with his skills go anywhere not just uk or oz , it's just a shame work has took a downturn but he's not that desperate to live in Australia to make a career change when he loves what he does . :biggrin: You were on VERY good money in the UK. I like my job but I work to live and like my time off better. I wouldn't let my work dictate where I lived that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 You were on VERY good money in the UK. I like my job but I work to live and like my time off better. I wouldn't let my work dictate where I lived that's for sure. He does 40 hrs a week no weekends pretty standard really for most has same time off has most the norm , apart from in Australia he does 3 weeks in the office one week on site lol so effectively has one full wkend working here which he never in uk , anyway the thing is yes on good money but carnt find decent engineers so have to pay the good lol x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 And was never handed on a silver spoon takes years just putting it out there so people have a understanding from my oh point of view too . It's the way it is though just keep plodding and see where it takes us hey :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 He does 40 hrs a week no weekends pretty standard really for most has same time off has most the norm , apart from in Australia he does 3 weeks in the office one week on site lol so effectively has one full wkend working here which he never in uk , anyway the thing is yes on good money but carnt find decent engineers so have to pay the good lol x That's OK then, I guess one weekend in 3 is OK if he's on decent money. A lot of the posts I've read on here would have you believe people in Aus have to work 24 hours a day and 24 hours a night to get by:wink:. Most I know are like your hubby and me. I work a 38 hour week and very rarely have to work weekends. If we go away on site I get time off in lieu, if we work longer on site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 That's OK then, I guess one weekend in 3 is OK if he's on decent money. A lot of the posts I've read on here would have you believe people in Aus have to work 24 hours a day and 24 hours a night to get by:wink:. Most I know are like your hubby and me. I work a 38 hour week and very rarely have to work weekends. If we go away on site I get time off in lieu, if we work longer on site. I dont fully illy understand it paul1perth lol , I just know what my hubby does , alls I know he's a clever bxxxxxd pmsl , but I cannot fault him , he will tell me off if he knew I posted wages on a site lol , but I do get frustrated when people donot understand from my point of view because I can see it from my hubbies point of view if that makes sense , I know oh gets 150 dollars a day extra on top of his hrly rate when on site , I don't understand and the extra hrs he does on site he can take em has days off or take the money all good now plodding on nicely oh quite likes going on site for a week he doesn't mind it really , they treat him well , enough food come out ya ear holes , nice house foxtel , he said it's great if you were signal and got no family they treat him good , alls I know he will do out for me and the kids he's a great bloke lol , :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 My oh has just read the link , this is what he said , Australia shouldn't advertise for professional people if they want them to come here, and then ask them to take a lesser job just so they can sit in the sun . People are professional for a reason , they can take a job anywhere in the world they don't need to come here and take a lesser job , if Australia wants to compete in the world they need to keep these people to improve their economy and their reputation otherwise these people will just leave and go somewhere else . You need skilled people to compete in the world market . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 My oh has just read the link , this is what he said , Australia shouldn't advertise for professional people if they want them to come here, and then ask them to take a lesser job just so they can sit in the sun . People are professional for a reason , they can take a job anywhere in the world they don't need to come here and take a lesser job , if Australia wants to compete in the world they need to keep these people to improve their economy and their reputation otherwise these people will just leave and go somewhere else . You need skilled people to compete in the world market . We are both professional people but to come and sit in the sun and enjoy the lifestyle was what we came here for. There wouldn't have been any point in leaving the UK if we just wanted to get further in our careers. We both gave up very good jobs to come, with nothing to come to, I was out of work for 5 months as there was a bad recession here in 92, my wife got a job in a couple of weeks though and we got through it. She started just on a ward as a nurse though, back on shiftwork, weekends, everything that she had worked so hard in the UK to get off. She had been a Senior Sister on a Neuro ward at 24, qualified as a midwife and then a Health Visitor to get off shiftwork. Took her years to get back to a job where she didn't have to work shifts. We were glad of the opportunity though and have never regretted moving. If your hubby is only working 40 hour weeks I'm sure he's got plenty of time to be enjoying the lifestyle that you can have here. He's not exactly putting the hard yards in and I can't blame him for that. More to life than work, money, career and possessions.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 We are both professional people but to come and sit in the sun and enjoy the lifestyle was what we came here for. There wouldn't have been any point in leaving the UK if we just wanted to get further in our careers. We both gave up very good jobs to come, with nothing to come to, I was out of work for 5 months as there was a bad recession here in 92, my wife got a job in a couple of weeks though and we got through it. She started just on a ward as a nurse though, back on shiftwork, weekends, everything that she had worked so hard in the UK to get off. She had been a Senior Sister on a Neuro ward at 24, qualified as a midwife and then a Health Visitor to get off shiftwork. Took her years to get back to a job where she didn't have to work shifts. We were glad of the opportunity though and have never regretted moving. If your hubby is only working 40 hour weeks I'm sure he's got plenty of time to be enjoying the lifestyle that you can have here. He's not exactly putting the hard yards in and I can't blame him for that. More to life than work, money, career and possessions.:cool: I do completely understand and respect your point of view , but I'll tell you mine I know there is more to life than money and possessions , and so does my hubby , engineers are fit for purpose people not money orientated as such , I don't write very well so excuse me haha , I was 18 when I had my first child , met my hubbie when we were both 14 , married at 20 , 3 kids by the age of 26 . We started off in a council house , on a council estate , both sides of our parents had no money on our upbringing , walked round with holes in our shoes , clothes from jumble sales ect.... My husband band did not do very well at school niether did I and I still haven't haha .... My hubby when I had my first child thought I have got to support my family need to do something ... Took on a apprentiship in engineering because that's what interested him went college part time and achieved the rest ... He was working full time and studying until 3 and 4 in a morning , up again for work at six , I worked night shift in warehouses and petrol stations only had one car so has I pulled up from the night shift with the car my hubbie was waiting on the doorstep for the car ... I couldn't afford child care in them days and no help then from the government in child care costs . What I'm saying it's been tough when we were kids and we don't want to go backwards now ..when he can go anywhere our choice and naively had children very young but you have to do it at some point I suppose .... My oh half does get and had it before that because he doesn't do a manual job he hasn't done a days hard work in his life you will always get that from people because it's their mentality ..the way they think I suppose ... My oh may not work hard phisically but mentally draining the stress calcs and analysis he does looks double Dutch to me and when you are responsible for signing things off when people lives are at risk it is a mental challenging job ... Everyone chooses their career for a reason ... But it was Noway a easy ride .... At the end of the day everyone is different and I know my oh would not be happy doing something else he just wants to engineer . And to get a decent enough wage now to retrain at 42 it's a no brainier for him really when their is other places , but to be honest he thinks we will be ok here for now we have to see how the work goes ... There is still not a lot going on , it is a shame has the downturn happened has we arrived more or less but the minute it does pick back up we would be laughing ... But I wouldn't want no be able to give my kids what they need now and have the ride we had when we were kids everyone is different though .:biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'll just add to that haha , he doesn't just specialise in one field niether , oz seem to Pigieon hole you . Worked in water , power , nuclear , defence , oil and gas now and if fab at hydraulics , it took years of experience but he's a rare case , he hasn't even been on a project here yet from the beginning , he said they think how do I know all this stuff now they haven't seen anything he can do yet but they will when work ever picks up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'll just add to that haha , he doesn't just specialise in one field niether , oz seem to Pigieon hole you . Worked in water , power , nuclear , defence , oil and gas now and if fab at hydraulics , it took years of experience but he's a rare case , he hasn't even been on a project here yet from the beginning , he said they think how do I know all this stuff now they haven't seen anything he can do yet but they will when work ever picks up . Know what you mean about having a broad range of things you can do. I've worked in a lot of industries that your husband has and learnt a lot from every one. When I got my first job here it was filling in for someone on long service leave for 3 months, in an IT job in the hospital. They made it very plain in the interview that it would only be for 3 months. During that period though I got to know a couple of people at work, who knew other people with job opportunities. At the time I'd been working in IT, software, and defence work for a few years and not touched anything mechanical for ages. One of the contacts I was put on to had his own company working in predictive analysis on mine sites. Mostly gold mines. I went along for the interview thinking I'd got no chance but when the guy discovered my fitting and mechanical background and I understood how gearboxes, pumps, screens and a lot of other mechanical equipment worked, plus I had an IT background turned out I was a perfect fit for the job. As it turned out I didn't enjoy the job one bit but I stuck at it for a year until something better showed up. The job that showed up and I got was back in IT and communications. Again I went along for the interview thinking I'd got no chance, but because I'd worked for a communications company in the UK for a year or so before we emigrated the interview went really well and I ended up with the job. It's surprising how much we know that we think will never be useful again. Got to say it was great getting off mechanical, dirty, hot work back into an IT & comms office environment. Money was heaps better too. The number of different projects and jobs I've worked on here has been amazing. Always pays to be flexible and never think you can't do something. Best to have a crack, given the opportunity. Just to add to your earlier post about your hubbys comments about Aus not advertising for people to come and then the people having to take a lesser job. I think the whole emigration experience is different now. Sounds like you had a promise of a job and it's not quite panned out like you thought it would. When we came there was no "pull" from Aus, they weren't short of qualified people like they have been for the past few years. We just came on the points system simply because we were stuck in a rut in the UK and at the point, with a young child and first mortgage, where we started thinking is this as good as it gets. For the first time in years we weren't able to go abroad for our fix of sun in the summer and had a crap 2 weeks in a caravan in Anglesey where it rained just about the whole time we were there. I think that might have been the last straw lol. Anyway, we managed to get the points required at the time and got a PR visa before we came. Never been before, didn't come for a reccie or anything, didn't and still don't have any rellies here, didn't know anyone. It's worked out great for us and we love it here. So alls well that ends well.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Know what you mean about having a broad range of things you can do. I've worked in a lot of industries that your husband has and learnt a lot from every one. When I got my first job here it was filling in for someone on long service leave for 3 months, in an IT job in the hospital. They made it very plain in the interview that it would only be for 3 months. During that period though I got to know a couple of people at work, who knew other people with job opportunities. At the time I'd been working in IT, software, and defence work for a few years and not touched anything mechanical for ages. One of the contacts I was put on to had his own company working in predictive analysis on mine sites. Mostly gold mines. I went along for the interview thinking I'd got no chance but when the guy discovered my fitting and mechanical background and I understood how gearboxes, pumps, screens and a lot of other mechanical equipment worked, plus I had an IT background turned out I was a perfect fit for the job. As it turned out I didn't enjoy the job one bit but I stuck at it for a year until something better showed up. The job that showed up and I got was back in IT and communications. Again I went along for the interview thinking I'd got no chance, but because I'd worked for a communications company in the UK for a year or so before we emigrated the interview went really well and I ended up with the job. It's surprising how much we know that we think will never be useful again. Got to say it was great getting off mechanical, dirty, hot work back into an IT & comms office environment. Money was heaps better too. The number of different projects and jobs I've worked on here has been amazing. Always pays to be flexible and never think you can't do something. Best to have a crack, given the opportunity. Just to add to your earlier post about your hubbys comments about Aus not advertising for people to come and then the people having to take a lesser job. I think the whole emigration experience is different now. Sounds like you had a promise of a job and it's not quite panned out like you thought it would. When we came there was no "pull" from Aus, they weren't short of qualified people like they have been for the past few years. We just came on the points system simply because we were stuck in a rut in the UK and at the point, with a young child and first mortgage, where we started thinking is this as good as it gets. For the first time in years we weren't able to go abroad for our fix of sun in the summer and had a crap 2 weeks in a caravan in Anglesey where it rained just about the whole time we were there. I think that might have been the last straw lol. Anyway, we managed to get the points required at the time and got a PR visa before we came. Never been before, didn't come for a reccie or anything, didn't and still don't have any rellies here, didn't know anyone. It's worked out great for us and we love it here. So alls well that ends well.:cool: Hi no , no promise of a job we went straight for pr , what he means is there was a big recruitment drive in the uk a few yrs back and the Ozzie government were in the uk begging people like my hubbie to come to Australia , selling this amazing oppertunity , I fell for it hook line and sinker , to be fair most of us do haha .... Its ta not that companies didn't want my hubbie in perth they did , but because no projects were coming through and work was on hold they couldn't give him a job , they said when someone like you comes along we have no work on , but the minute there's work on we cannot get you ..... Plus with being no work on jobs were advertising for people then really didn't need em just to get ya cv on their books .... Anyway he did get a job after 5 weeks longest he's ever been out of work .... Think a day he's had out of work in his career , he hated it absoulutley rubbish ... He has high standards haha , anyway second job he got he like but got put on short time , lucky because a lot got laid off , my oh still could not see work about agents telling him don't know what's happened seen nothing like it in ten years .... Anyway he applied over east got a 3 way phone call and with in a couple of days got the job and was here a week later ... And he likes it got work on at the moment but after that rocky start I do worry ..... And the cost of moving again ect... Moving my boys again ect... anyway all good at the min , perth have ask him back a different position which he can do still on a 8 days on six days off , but I cannot move again now need to get my boys settled and at the moment aslong has he has work on he's fine where he is , he likes the people everything , now my oh would of gone back uk because they still crying out for him in uk , but he knows to give it more time , but if that's what we have to do eventually we shall do it , or anywhere else for that matter . Anyway we had it good in uk just ashame there was a downturn here , nevermind though my hubbi isn't too worried . Just go with the flow for now ..., but but me and him now the kids are older should be living the life of Riley now it's been a massive cost , headache and hassle should of stayed put , lol.... We didn't do a recci or anything started again here , still paying mortgage in uk for my boy , which he's just managed get on his own ladder property wise , thanks to me and his dad lol so let's hope onwards and upwards from here we shall see I will let you know how we go over the next 12 month haha :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I hated being out of work too, you don't feel like you have arrived properly till you get a job do you.:sad: We rented for nearly a year too, which gave us a good time to have a look round and decide where we wanted to live. I guess we are typical poms in Perth and wanted to be as close to the beach as we could afford. It was nowhere near as expensive for property back then and we found a suburb that we liked early on. We got a house and moved there months later. Still in the same house 20 years on, getting close to paying off the mortgage. To be fair we haven't rushed it like a lot of people do. We wanted to be able to enjoy some time while we were still young enough, not live on beans on toast to pay it off. All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellybingobingo Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I hated being out of work too, you don't feel like you have arrived properly till you get a job do you.:sad: We rented for nearly a year too, which gave us a good time to have a look round and decide where we wanted to live. I guess we are typical poms in Perth and wanted to be as close to the beach as we could afford. It was nowhere near as expensive for property back then and we found a suburb that we liked early on. We got a house and moved there months later. Still in the same house 20 years on, getting close to paying off the mortgage. To be fair we haven't rushed it like a lot of people do. We wanted to be able to enjoy some time while we were still young enough, not live on beans on toast to pay it off. All the best. All the the best to you too , thanks for the chat lol :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liss33 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 That's OK then, I guess one weekend in 3 is OK if he's on decent money. A lot of the posts I've read on here would have you believe people in Aus have to work 24 hours a day and 24 hours a night to get by:wink:. Most I know are like your hubby and me. I work a 38 hour week and very rarely have to work weekends. If we go away on site I get time off in lieu, if we work longer on site. This thread is interesting as I am currently a cop in the UK and want a career change when moving to Oz but it seems I wouldn't get a visa in the first place. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The problem is that the nature of immigration today is that most are leaving successful well paying jobs to come to Australia. If they then find themselves having to go and do something else, it results in a severe reduction in living standards and although the sun may shine and money isnt everything, it makes the move somewhat pointless for many This is something that's really surprised me since joining this forum. I always assumed the only motivation for migration was to improve on a poor lifestyle in one's home country (we emigrated in the depths of the Thatcher years). It amazes me to see prospective migrants here, who seem to have a nice house/good job/decent lifestyle in the UK already. It makes me wonder what kind of paradise they think Australia is, to be worth spending tens of thousands of dollars on a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 This is something that's really surprised me since joining this forum. I always assumed the only motivation for migration was to improve on a poor lifestyle in one's home country (we emigrated in the depths of the Thatcher years). It amazes me to see prospective migrants here, who seem to have a nice house/good job/decent lifestyle in the UK already. It makes me wonder what kind of paradise they think Australia is, to be worth spending tens of thousands of dollars on a move. I wouldn't' say we had a "poor" lifestyle when we emigrated. We just wanted better weather, consistently and to live near the Ocean. We would have been happy with the same monetary lifestyle and just wanted the same sort of job with the same sort of pay. Just having the better weather and the Ocean on the doorstep has made so much difference to the quality of life.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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