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In the case of Australia, a settler and there for migrant country, immigration is hardly the issue. What is the issue is record immigration without any call for, purely to support a population Ponzi in growth and demand. It is a very sad case indeed, not to say dangerous, that the majority of people not in housing, will as things stand, never be able to afford housing in Australian main cities. I do wonder how long Melbourne has hide behind the smoke screen of being labelled 'worlds most desirable city.' Even if only aimed at a business elite, not normal people, the PR is worth a lot, besides many do not pick up the elitist ethos of the measurement. Greed of developers and bankers and Big Business and the real estate and lobbyists of various descriptions, are indeed challenging tolerance of populations as living standards decline . Massive immigration is unneeded in this age with technological changes and robotics increasingly coming into play. I find it amazing that none of the political parties, including The Greens, challenge the current manta of A Big Australia. Why not? Why such little discussion about it in the press? Likely reason all behold to retain the over inflated housing costs and the banks have got themselves in far too deep in loans on housing, to be questioned. No body wants to be responsible in pricking the bubble. All I suppose a rather pointless exercise on an immigration forum where people just want to get to their nominated destination by any means possible.

Yes I would agree choice is better, certainly compared to WA at any rate. Although it is adequate here. Not a fan of English winters. Bleak and dreary IMO.

With the shocking going on, at King Edward Memorial Hospital here in Perth, their task will no doubt be that much easier. I know of a lot of disquiet among some social workers within the system as well.

My thoughts as well. I can get most anything English in Australia. My local supermarket even now stocks my favourite breakfast cereal, Alpen. Now somewhere on The Continent I could see but unsure about English. Pub grub better there perhaps? A hot Christmas dinner in more suitable conditions? What else I wonder?

Although the worst crime I've crossed in Australia was easily in Alice Springs. Next would have been Darwin. Neither big towns, but large numbers of indigenous youth for a large part, but of course not entirely, creating a large number of problems. Mirrabooka, and environs have been long used to house marginal and conflicted people, and into that fray came a considerable number of refugees being settled in the area, they themselves often being targeted and feeling unsafe in early years. I expect their kids have 'adapted' both in a positive sense and otherwise. I know some community leaders of newer established community voiced concern several years back with the direction some of their young appeared to be taking. Mirrabooka has our favourite butchers in Perth Metro, so do go there from time to time. Some very nice houses in the area and the shopping centre is a very pleasant mix of vitality with folk from around the world. Whatever happened to the multi cultural markets once planned there I wonder? Lots of potential for the future in that area and hopefully a train connection will help transform it as well. I have never been there at night, but can imagine little happening ..very boring for the youth of the area ......but hardly uncommon to many other Perth suburbs.

Not without some merit. (the whinge fests) Personally I prefer Sydney when it comes to comparison with most things, apart could not afford the comfort that I now have living in/close to the centre. Yes I guess it will be interesting how you find it. But it is not a city comparison. Yes Perth has quite a record of enticing migrants and waving a number good bye a few years later.

But to the subject on hand. Obviously record immigration levels will be impacting on desirability, which is why the matter was raised . Increasing cost, on top of declining living standards, on top of record house prices, for those that have owned for awhile together with a still fairly good rate of exchange, are surely factors towards reasons people are returning? It is far more complicated that simply not liking the product, though that can be a factor as well. Newbies, of course have additional problems of finding their feet in expensive cities, with some may well be deciding it not worth the effort. No one shoe fits all feet of course. Just best people are aware of numerous challenges involved. Fine if not interested to hear them.

I doubt there will be those numbers, but I suppose as some only do a leg or two and combine it with other activities, it is a possibility. I do on occasions go to the cricket. Always put in an appearance at the local Barmy Army venue, a new HQ, this time in Perth. A lot of England supporters though appeared to me at least to be back packers. Still enjoyable though. Went to the Rugby in Perth, the other week when England played France, but the ambiance was a little ordinary and far from a full house. Far from sport obsessed I'm afraid. Pretty 'undemanding' thing to be on reflection though. Innocent (for most part) talking piece as well.........

Your attitude doesn't bother me but rather pleased you are annoyed. I'm getting through. Although you claim you don't like nor agree, I have struck a sensitive point with you. Don't bother to admit I am right. Yes I did comment on the rip off 457. It was used and abused and deserved to be shut down. It went way pass it use by dare, at best needs reforming. Whether you want to admit to the wide spread abuse is your issue. I have witnessed it and there is plenty of examples on line. Abuse is not confined of course to 457, but includes the Student Visa and WHV. Again not all are abusers. It started of well but the results are clear to all whom bother to look. Also not just the applicant, but the employer abuse as well. As I mentioned it is not about you, or how valuable an asset or not you may well be to this country. It is well beyond that and heavens know, if you are not a rent seeker, why you take such a personal affront to the truth. I'm afraid the small mindedness ball I must return to your court. You appear unwilling or unwilling to see a bigger picture. Please explain , as a 'great' Australian politician once uttered. Where is being ill informed, not advocating and supporting massive population growth and declining living standards.? I won't hold my breath.

You hate whingers and I hate apathy. Loathe ignorance and don't do sport, at least to any extent. Saying that we'd make a formable team. There would be few of either opposing team left standing.

Your pulling straws now migration man. Do you want to discuss the drug problem or migration? As for rising immigration levels causing and crime, I'll attempt to explain. Increasingly populations at rapid rates, makes more competition on the ground level , in areas of housing, jobs , hopelessness, and a thousand other things which I can elaborate on if required. The thing being in a nutshell, the crime doesn't need to be committed by migrants, locals are just as able to contribute and possibly more so. If you must, a few words on the drug issues, hardly new, but areas blighted with poverty, poor housing, unemployment, are often areas of high drug use. Do you really feel the trend to enable people only to be able to afford, poorly built dog boxes, or alternatively living in far flung, dormitory suburbs, (often newly arrived) far from work, little to no public transport, bored kids, and a host of other issues, likely to lead up to social problems, all part of your future picture of Australia? Good on Sloane in The Australian for writing her piece. The media as the political parties have closed down on the matter.

It must be difficult to understand because sadly you fail to get it. The majority of population increase is due to migration. Not hard to find look it up. I'm already providing the relevant information. You can add the finishing touches. The angle is too obvious. I suspect, you may well be a migration agent. If not a rent seeker of some sort, gaining from record immigration levels. Australia's immigration has gone way beyond the need for qualified labour, as I am sure you would be aware. It is bringing in people by the scores, in areas where workers are certainly not required and without a job prior to arriving. The IT industry has long been a victim of this shenanigans AS for backing up facts, they are all out there. Where the facts are missing is any support saying Australia needs to run the biggest immigration intake and increase its population at developing world levels. No evidence at all. .

I'm not sure what you don't understand, but to reconfirm Australia is growing at close to the fastest rate in population due to migration. (USA may be ahead) Whinging will certainly help and plenty more people are very concerned with what is panning out in Australian cities, especially Melbourne and Sydney. (some 70% go to either of those city's) Not much we can do about it? A defeatist attitude and example of apathy at its most severe, I'm afraid. I do realise the retention of over valued house prices is your main concern, as you have expressed it enough on various threads over the years, so hence you may well welcome the result of depleting services, rising crime levels , inadequate infrastructure to cope with the sudden massive increases, but others may well consider servicing the housing Ponzi not necessary the best way forward for Australian most popular cities........

This country would not grind to a halt. The property market would be impacted. Business would be required to train those already here .. YES. Really migration is running at record levels with a multitude of visa's in place allowing entry. Australia has close to the fastest developed world growth in population in the world. Mostly through high immigration. And to what end? Country getting any better? I trust you have at least discovered Australia is a western country. No worries here to help.

By increasingly lowering living standards, some may suggest is not an ideal way to go about it. Living should be more than survival, which results when too many people compete over a narrow area. Have you ever been to a crowded city of some magnitude? Of course people adapt to survive. Do you seriously consider Melbourne at 4.6 million today, will be the same city, even desirable at the predicted 6 million at the end of the next decade? The BS lays with the ever declining services and lifestyle available for the vast majority outside of the elite. Will the increasing Mumbai or Hong Kong style living of dog box apartments really enhance living in that city?

I'm neither interested nor do I need to know more about you. You did not ask if I was a migrant, you presumed. It matters not if I am or am not. What matters more is that you are wrong in your statement with regards to Australia and back peddled. A simple "I was wrong," would have covered that. Now unless you are a rent seeker I think that the fact that Australia is running record immigration levels at a time of stagnant wages, increasingly unaffordable, infrastructure challenged, (that means roads, hospitals, schools, and the like) largely to support the housing bubble but also big business, should be amply clear to yourself the reasons why immigration at such huge numbers is a very bad thing. As I have repeatedly mentioned, it dangers the entire immigration programme as the back lash builds.

Australia is a western nation. The author of the piece, sadly has no idea to what they refer. It is not a question of who steps in. It is a question of institutions , people and political system. To suggest otherwise is labouring under a false hood, that likely does not end there.

Best never make presumptions by the way. I follow my own knowledge on the matter and do know in what I am referring to. Best not confuse the European situation with what is happening in Australia. I only suspect you are in the line of business profiteering from the insanity of record mas migration into this country. Interesting to note even Conservative commentators, like the dreaded Sloan writer for The Australian, has come out about the negatives migration numbers in a piece in The Australian, the other day. While the concept of ever falling living conditions may not bother you, it certainly does an increasing number people. The Big Australia concept , of bulking up the population in record numbers plays well into the desires of a selected group, whom I'm sure you are aware of will profit, but few others, note how few can afford to live in the big cities these days as well as stagnant and falling wages. The rational is clear. Population at record levels is unwanted, not required and ever lowering living conditions of ever more people.

I just love to cross swords with you. Partly because you are wrong with your accusations but mostly for the pure fun of it. So in your view Australia is not a Western Country???? Do you consider it an Eastern Country then???? Would love to read your view on that. Do you have an understanding as to the concept of belonging to the western world means? You accused ne previously of having an agenda, I believe. Just what that agenda might be I ask myself? I think witnessing the decline Australia before one's eyes, constitutes something a little bit deeper than an agenda. I repeat as I did before. I do not blame all migrants. I blame the government and related rent seekers for creating a situation, we now find ourselves in this country. Obviously migration is far too high. I'm afraid too high a price to pay even to maintain high prices ..........and supress wages.

Staying out after 9pm is certainly subversive for us Perthites. Early to bed early to rise down at the farm. Well you appear to have passed your time well. Well done. Surviving The Wild West.

Oh it isn't in the West what? Are you attempting to say Australia is not a western country? While the government is attempting to make Sydney and Melbourne carbon copies of Hong Kong, we remain still for the moment a very much western nation. Relative. Probably is to people from poor back grounds as it will lift them out of poverty conditions, but reduces the living standards of people living here. Far harder now for migrants than in times when Australia ran a sensible migration policy numerically.

Australia was something of the clichéd, land of milk and honey, in those days. Now gone I'm afraid. Now one of the most over priced, poorly governed, countries of the western world.

Darn right it shouldn't. Same supermarket has down sized the mature vintage cheese that I like. Was $11 now down to $9 but far less of it. Indian food is very hit and miss here. A British Indian chow shop opened just down the road from me. Called " Brick Lane". I think it lasted eighteen months, just wasn't up to it. I do have a favourite Indian in North Perth and another down in Albany. Eating out is something of a chore here though in our experience, A chore in finding something that suits the price asked, with so much similar on the menu. Whatever happened to diversity? We eat far better at home. Of course dinning out should not just be about price, but ambiance also. We looked down at Elizabeth Quay and surrounds and found nowhere we liked. The Lucky Shag has declined in my view. Not many pubs even with a vibe at the time of day in the centre either.

Insane , especially for one that give a 4xxxx for most things sport. (blunts mental abilities) Real estate was doing its best to put a challenge in, with house values and related topics, to which view wanted to hear the 'down side' (some changes in more recent times duly noted)

Quite so. I recall an Australian election, using the cheapness of OZ in an advertising piece, (in West Australian, noted in Australia House in London) to promote how much cheaper life was compared to UK/Europe. It would have been the eighties...... Not long after Time Magazine had a cover story reading, "End of the Easy Life Down Under" which I picked up in Asia. The writing was on the wall then.......but no comparison from then and now. Sad thing is the decline looks to be halting no time soon.