Guest Manj Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Hi All, Now, next on the list is what to do about this ACS/nec fiasco?! I have Written confimation from ACS specifying that the ICT- NEC recent graduate issue should be directed to DIAC... let me know if you are doing a letter because we could use it suppose...... ACS specifically stated that removing and adding ASCOANZSCO codes are done by DIAC and not ACS!! ______________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bOZ Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Hi Jeff. Count me as well, even I'm an off shore applicant. Many thanks for the Good Job that u presented in a great way. Hope everything will be going great with all of us :notworthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Now, next on the list is what to do about this ACS/nec fiasco?! It's not a fiasco by ACS. They do not invent the classifications. It's some IT-illiterate within DIAC. ACS job is to only assess applicants against whatever criteria set by DIAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zzzsianzzz Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I have Written confimation from ACS specifying that the ICT- NEC recent graduate issue should be directed to DIAC... let me know if you are doing a letter because we could use it suppose...... ACS specifically stated that removing and adding ASCOANZSCO codes are done by DIAC and not ACS!! ______________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer I think ACS could have at least given a free auto mapping or reassessment, whatever they classify that as to be with the change of codes, instead of us forking out another $400 bucks to submit a new application and they know that its just to map it to the new ANZSCO code. theyre just money sucking society.. the fact is that DIAC didn't force them to give those codes only, they can classify it then map it to DIAC's codes instead of having all this mess now, following the everyday changing immigration department's rules. thats absurb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aussie2B Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Hi Jeffster, Thank you so much for writing that fantastic letter and how rewarding to already receive a response from Peter Mares THAT quick!! Well done! I am an offshore applicant (Sept. 2008) and am happy to talk and join/help in any way that I can... You've got my full support. Truly great job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest swan2748 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Hi Jeffster, Great work on that letter! I want to join/help as well. I am an offshore applicant, computing professional (ICT recent grad, java specialist) (offshore only because of the eligible visa criteria of subclass 885). I contacted ACS and DIAC (Chris Evans) regarding this issue, but I received only a standard response, which is a non-response, that we should reapply to ACS with the new ANZSCO and submit a new application for GSM. It makes our existing valid application useless and we go back to the bottom of the queue. All this just because of a change in the codes/names of the professions. My application and my occupation would be exactly the same. I am now leaning towards sending a compliant to the ombudsman (similar to the one jeffster sent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yc1ten Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Jeffster..mate... count me in as well!!! Happy to talk....... Being a mum of 2 young kids it is quite hard for us to be on a temp visa indefinitly whilst me and my hubs both pay taxes to the Aussie gov......:wubclub: ___________________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Hi Jeffster, Count me in as well!. I am in the same situation with Manj, I have two children and I pay full fee for their school (State School) whilst I pay tax to the govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beersheer Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Go Liberal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Go Liberal ! Yes - Go Liberal! I think they would more sensible when fixing the mess Evans has left behind !! ______________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zzzsianzzz Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I think I might get killed for these but I think it will be labour if I'm a citizen relating to the reforms JG promised compared to tony's policies, e.g scraping NBN and putting a lower budget broadband. Or a marginal draw. It also depends on how much Aussies trust what labour will deliver as they failed to deliver some promises and the dumping of ex prime minister Rudd votes if liberal wins. If liberal wins, it might be the same plus addition of CSL? What's worst than that? It's adding another express lane of occupation on top of the priority list? An express lane with a faster lane with insufficient manpower and tighter border security! Regardless of which party wins, Evans has been in immigration for at least 4 years, hopefully he will not return to his immigration job and be replaced with a more competent minister to deal with this and his mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chajath Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Yes - Go Liberal! I think they would more sensible when fixing the mess Evans has left behind !!______________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer I agree. The bottom line is: it just can't get any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I agree. The bottom line is: it just can't get any worse. Oh yes it can. At least the current situation gives us time to fight back. If Evans did the pre-September 2007 culling on us, I'd be 10,000 miles away from Sydney now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manj Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Oh yes it can. At least the current situation gives us time to fight back. If Evans did the pre-September 2007 culling on us, I'd be 10,000 miles away from Sydney now. I think User Name the government would not have done the cap and cease on ONSHORE pre Sep '07 due to political issues it may create with foreign governments! Imagine a few flights landing in CHINA and INDIA with 5-k onshore people wo got axed.... not looking good I say!!! So...I don't think they would have done it ..... they have sort of achieved it ...by what they have done now by pushing us to CAT4 though! ________________________________________________________ CAT (4), 885 applied 2008 AUG, ICT - Recent graduate NEC, IELTS 8.0, NAATI qualified, Currently employed as a ICT Project Officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beersheer Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hey Jeffster... Any news...yet??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffster Posted August 27, 2010 Author Share Posted August 27, 2010 Hey Jeffster... Any news...yet??? Well Peter Mares is waiting until the election result before doing more pieces on the issue and he will let me know about talking to affected applicants etc. MARA kindly passed the letter onto the DIAC Global Feedback Unit, who I've never heard of but apparently manage all complaints relating to DIAC and I haven't heard anything from the Ombudsman as yet. Pretty much the whole country doesn't want to even visit the toilet until they know the election outcome which is silly really. Life is still going on and DIAC will have received several thousand more applications this week and several millions of dollars and whoever is leading the country this will continue until someone with some guts pulls the plug on their insidious scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umairghias Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Hi , FYI, One of my friend just finished bachelors in I.T(System Admin) and applied skills assessment . Instead of 12 weeks , he got his skills assessment in like 4 weeks and got a system analyst which is on the new sol . Regards, Umair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffster Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 I received a response from the DIAC Global Feedback unit and case number with a promise of Feedback within 10 working days - I wait with baited breath :err: . I have also mailed a hard copy to the new Ombudsman. Check this out: Asylum seekers stage breakout protest in Australia BBC News - Asylum seekers stage breakout protest in Australia The best quote: "They told Australian media that they were angry at the time it was taking for their cases to be processed." :biglaugh: And the most annoying "One man said that he had been in detention for nine months since arriving by boat." A 9 month wait? Luxury, compared to those who decided to do it LEGALLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I received a response from the DIAC Global Feedback unit and case number with a promise of Feedback within 10 working days - I wait with baited breath :err: . I have also mailed a hard copy to the new Ombudsman. Check this out: Asylum seekers stage breakout protest in Australia BBC News - Asylum seekers stage breakout protest in Australia The best quote: "They told Australian media that they were angry at the time it was taking for their cases to be processed." :biglaugh: And the most annoying "One man said that he had been in detention for nine months since arriving by boat." A 9 month wait? Luxury, compared to those who decided to do it LEGALLY! Hi Jeffster There is nothing illegal in reaching Australian waters by boat and requesting when you get there that Australia should give you asylum. It is equally lawful to do it in the UK. Given that the asylum seeker has not committed any crime, do you think it is acceptable to imprison him? That is what Australia does, after all. Would you be prepared to spend up to 4 years in prison and then find out at the end of it whether the Aussies will give you a visa or not? Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stayer Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Hi Jeffster There is nothing illegal in reaching Australian waters by boat and requesting when you get there that Australia should give you asylum. It is equally lawful to do it in the UK. Given that the asylum seeker has not committed any crime, do you think it is acceptable to imprison him? That is what Australia does, after all. Would you be prepared to spend up to 4 years in prison and then find out at the end of it whether the Aussies will give you a visa or not? Cheers Gill Hi Gollywobbler and Jeffster, I think it is illegal to reach Australia by boat without visa granted and it is their choice if people do it. I was wondering actually, no matter if arriving on boat is legal or not, to hire a boat, load all PR applicants, burn all documents and "arrive" to Australia as asylum seekers. Would there not be more certainity about processing visa compared to current situation? I also was wondering if you don't know some international body for people as the Greenpeace or Peta are for animals. Headlines were made recently about puppies Video of girl throwing puppies into river sparks outrage - Yahoo! News but no one seems to care about PEOPLE! Aren't there some bigger guys rather than the Ombudsman? I think what is happening in Australia to onshore applicants is on the edge of serious international scandal regarding human rights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffster Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 Hi Jeffster There is nothing illegal in reaching Australian waters by boat and requesting when you get there that Australia should give you asylum. It is equally lawful to do it in the UK. I understand that but at some point they ARE entering Australia illegally (ie. without permission), that they then claim asylum and this is a lawful act is irrelevant. An asylum seeker cannot stand on the shores of Indonesia shout "I claim asylum in Australia", get on a boat and be considered to be acting lawfully. Only those that have arrived with permission and THEN apply for asylum can truly be considered to have acted lawfully. Given that the asylum seeker has not committed any crime, do you think it is acceptable to imprison him? That is what Australia does, after all. That is not up to me, it is Australia's decision. Imprison is a harsh term though, they are detained and certainly have better conditions than prison. Also, not everyone is detained, some low-risk asylum seekers live in everyday society. Would you be prepared to spend up to 4 years in prison and then find out at the end of it whether the Aussies will give you a visa or not? That is exactly what I and many others ARE doing! I live in the open prison, as some asylum seekers mentioned above also do, we can't leave without permission or a reason, we can be arrested and imprisoned if we do not carry photo ID and produce our bridging visa on demand, we even have fewer rights than refugees and we are still waiting to find out if we will be given a visa or not. And here is the main crux of the argument - we did not expect this, we were not told this would happen, we did not know we might have our applications rejected; asylum seekers know what will happen to them, asylum seekers know they will be kept in detention indefinitely, asylum seekers know they might not be granted refugee status. I don't want to turn this into another GSM v refugee discussion as it is pointless, the 12,000 odd refugee places are not affected by what happens with GSM and vice versa. I am venting because a few hundred asylum seekers are getting column inches when the tens of thousands of GSM pipelined applicants have had next to nothing and that these rioters should be grateful they get processed at all since thousands of GSM applicants (and possibly more) were never even afforded that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I understand that but at some point they ARE entering Australia illegally (ie. without permission), that they then claim asylum and this is a lawful act is irrelevant. An asylum seeker cannot stand on the shores of Indonesia shout "I claim asylum in Australia", get on a boat and be considered to be acting lawfully. Only those that have arrived with permission and THEN apply for asylum can truly be considered to have acted lawfully. That is not up to me, it is Australia's decision. Imprison is a harsh term though, they are detained and certainly have better conditions than prison. Also, not everyone is detained, some low-risk asylum seekers live in everyday society. That is exactly what I and many others ARE doing! I live in the open prison, as some asylum seekers mentioned above also do, we can't leave without permission or a reason, we can be arrested and imprisoned if we do not carry photo ID and produce our bridging visa on demand, we even have fewer rights than refugees and we are still waiting to find out if we will be given a visa or not. And here is the main crux of the argument - we did not expect this, we were not told this would happen, we did not know we might have our applications rejected; asylum seekers know what will happen to them, asylum seekers know they will be kept in detention indefinitely, asylum seekers know they might not be granted refugee status. I don't want to turn this into another GSM v refugee discussion as it is pointless, the 12,000 odd refugee places are not affected by what happens with GSM and vice versa. I am venting because a few hundred asylum seekers are getting column inches when the tens of thousands of GSM pipelined applicants have had next to nothing and that these rioters should be grateful they get processed at all since thousands of GSM applicants (and possibly more) were never even afforded that right. I know I probably shouldn't join into this, as asylum seekers are in a different category to onshore 885/6 applicants. I saw a program recently filmed from Lombok, where a refugee family has been waiting patiently for an asylum place in Australia, following all the correct procedures. They were a lovely articulate family, where were feeling very bitter about the number of people who had left from there by boat, and who were now in Australia, during the at least 4 years that they had been patiently waiting. It was interesting to hear how furious they and others were about the "illegal boat people" getting preference. I think we loose sight of this. I have a friend who has been waiting 6 years for a contributory parent visa, hearing on national radio recently, someone boasting that he had his PR 6 months after arriving by boat. This trade detrimentally affects many potential immigrants, and I must add that there are quite a few illegal immigrants being housed in 4 star motels in Brisbane, and probably in other places as well. The fact that there have been so many changes affecting onshore applications, has just not received any publicity. The bridging visa must be judged as inhumane as a long term temporary visa, and was only surely originally intended as a very short term measure. To be in this state of limbo for potentially years at the moment defies any logic. I'm sure many applicants lodged valid applications, are in good jobs, contributing to the economy, but feel trapped at the moment. Have invested, time and money in good faith, but have to "beg" permission to leave the country, + pay for the privilege it's crazy. Thank you Jeffster for you letter to the ombudsman, it would be nice to think it might help. Rant over!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beersheer Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Labor's quite close to win...need 2 more Even now the voters want the Independents to back Labor... I was quite sure that the Coalition would win but somehow they messed themselves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stayer Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Don't belive some stupid poll!!!!! 37% want the Independents to join Labour, 31% the Liberals and the rest want new election. Saying that majority want the Independents to join the Labout is pure brainwashing!!!! Rational people probably want new election! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Smith Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 Don't belive some stupid poll!!!!! 37% want the Independents to join Labour, 31% the Liberals and the rest want new election. Saying that majority want the Independents to join the Labout is pure brainwashing!!!! Rational people probably want new election! Yes but the polls from within the independent seats are 70% for the Liberal Coalition. The independent MPs don't worry about outside opinion, just local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted September 5, 2010 Share Posted September 5, 2010 Yes but the polls from within the independent seats are 70% for the Liberal Coalition. The independent MPs don't worry about outside opinion, just local. Hi Jamie Is it likely that the Three Amigos will make up their minds during the next 24 hours? Many thanks :notworthy: Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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