Skills Australia - the body that will determine the new SOL

[thewebweazel]

Does anyone know where to find some real info on which skills are in short supply in OZ? maybe chamber of commerce? or Department of Education?

[Guest mcl07]

Does anyone know where to find some real info on which skills are in short supply in OZ? maybe chamber of commerce? or Department of Education?

 

This was posted a few days ago. Hopefully provide you with some of the information you require.

 

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migration-issues/78451-australian-skills-shortage.html

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Does anyone know where to find some real info on which skills are in short supply in OZ? maybe chamber of commerce? or Department of Education?

 

Hi WW

 

Yep. Skills Australia are going to say which occupations Australia will be short of in years to come. DIAC are not taking any notice of whatever anyone else says. DIAC will be relying solely on what Skills Australia say, according to several senior DIAC officers and the Minister for Immi in the recent Hansards.

 

It is a constitutional principle that nobody must lie or mislead in any statement that is to go into a Hansard. Therefore the public are entitled to believe that what Hansard says about Skills Australia is true.

 

To see who Skills Australia are, and to work out whether such a quango might have a clue, please see Alan Colett's links at the start of this thread and draw your own conclusions, I would suggest.....

 

In what context do you ask your question, though? Please tell us the context and the rest of us may be able to help further.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[mlsdq]

Alright. An inquiry.

 

If the new SOL only affects those applications in the stated dates above, that means I am not affected right?

 

So, the only thing I have to wait and see is the State Migration Plan Sh!t este List (sorry for the term).

 

If my occupation is not included in the list (SMP), I will fall to Cat 5. If that's the case, another chaos and unfair changes again. What have we done? and yes, some people were right. If the backlog wont clear after 2 years again, we will get the refund.

 

I guess DIAC posted new policy on that. Cap and cease will happen again.

 

I am just talking.

[thewebweazel]

This was posted a few days ago. Hopefully provide you with some of the information you require.

 

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migration-issues/78451-australian-skills-shortage.html

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Thanks for the info, its a bit confusing as is says that hairdressers are still in demand as of Dec 2009 clearly DIAC has other "IDEAs" about skills shortages

[thewebweazel]

Hi WW

 

In what context do you ask your question, though? Please tell us the context and the rest of us may be able to help further.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

 

Hi Gill,

Really a little crystal ball gazing! I trying to find out what the likelyhood of my occupation being on the NEW SOL will be! My Idea is that I wait until the release of the NEW SOL to see whether it will benefit me to wait until it comes into use before submitting my application for a Visa. If not I hope to submit between the release and the implementation of the New SOL.

 

The change of the SOL and points system my be a blessing in disguise but there will always be someone that is going to lose out, but waiting is likely to freak one out

[Guest parkinfour]

Hi Webweasel

 

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Hi Gill,

Really a little crystal ball gazing! I trying to find out what the likelyhood of my occupation being on the NEW SOL will be! My Idea is that I wait until the release of the NEW SOL to see whether it will benefit me to wait until it comes into use before submitting my application for a Visa. If not I hope to submit between the release and the implementation of the New SOL.

 

The change of the SOL and points system my be a blessing in disguise but there will always be someone that is going to lose out, but waiting is likely to freak one out

 

.....This is exactly how we feel! do we wait until new SOL and risk not being on it. Or Submit now and see what happens. I am going to go a little crazy soon as its SO tricky knowing what and when to do. Also its alot of money we are shelling out and if we submit now and find our job not on the list will we get a refund? I guess yet more patience is required. Good luck.

[thewebweazel]

.....This is exactly how we feel! do we wait until new SOL and risk not being on it. Or Submit now and see what happens. I am going to go a little crazy soon as its SO tricky knowing what and when to do. Also its alot of money we are shelling out and if we submit now and find our job not on the list will we get a refund? I guess yet more patience is required. Good luck.

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/faq-sol.pdf

Q 12 If I apply for a GSM visa in April 2010, will I be subject to the new SOL?

No, as the new SOL does not commence until mid- 2010.

 

The DIAC says that it will not apply the NEW SOL to your application, the thing is that they will proberly make you wait the full 3 years and then who knows maybe cap and cease? I would think that you would give you your cash back as they have already set a precedent, but then again who knows?

[Guest mcl07]

Hi everyone,

 

I came across this information on the governments workplace website (apologies if it has already been published elsewhere on PIO). It details skills shortages in each state. You would hope that they may provide a few suggestions as to what may be on the new skills list for each state. As you will be able to see from the publishing dates the information relates to 2009. I presume Skills Australia may well produce a skills list based on this years reports from each state?

 

Main skills page:

workplace.gov.au - Skill Shortages

 

State and Territory Skills Shortage:

workplace.gov.au - State and Territory Skill Shortages

 

Skills Shortage Occupational Reports:

workplace.gov.au - Occupational Reports

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

[Guest parkinfour]

Hi mcl07

 

are you going to wait to see what the new SOL list is?Or are you going to submit and cross your fingers?!!

 

we have so far completed VETASSESS, ielts, and want to lodge 176 GSM, family sponsored in late march/april.

 

Parkinfour x

[Guest physiomitch]

Hi guys

 

Trying to get my head around this...

 

For a 176 state sponsored visa, if I am applying to the state for sponsorship, do I have to have a job lined up, as I feel it would be impossible to have a job lined up and not know how long the application will take? Anyone, please

 

Thanks

[Guest mcl07]

Hi Parkinfour,

 

After contacting our migration agent they have very tentatively suggested that if we pass the ACS skills assessment then we should look to submit under the current SOL list. Our agent said they would hope to have more information on how we should proceed once we are ready to submit the visa application in a month or so time.

 

Unfortunately, my job (software tester\test analyst) has never been on the CSL or MODL list and I really can't see that changing under the new rules given the nature of the job. I only managed the 120pts due to the extra points for passing the IELTS English course.

 

Therefore I think we may just as well submit and then wait and see. I know it is a gamble, but the whole process seems to be a gamble at the minute. The worst case is that our application gets declined or we get similar treatment to the unfortunate pre 1st Sept 2007 applicants, where at the very least we would get the visa money back.

 

In the meantime my girlfriend and I have decided that we should continue to live life as we want to in the UK. If we do end up getting a visa then the validation period and terms of the actual visa means we would have a year or so to sell up\move. Obviously it is easier for us at the minute as we do not have any children to consider. If we did then I do not know what we would have done.

 

What do you think you will end up doing?

 

Mark

[thewebweazel]

Hi guys

 

Trying to get my head around this...

 

For a 176 state sponsored visa, if I am applying to the state for sponsorship, do I have to have a job lined up, as I feel it would be impossible to have a job lined up and not know how long the application will take? Anyone, please

 

Thanks

 

Thats the problem! for a employer to sponsor you and wait years they will have to be really desperate, and will proberly want to lock you into a contract for a good few years. Its going to really skim the cream off of the top! Unfortunately for us milky lot, its going to be tough! On the other hand my sister a nurse applied to an agency who sorted her visa out (457?) + a job within 6 months, now has PR and is going for citizenship. Hell I would empty bedpans for that!:biglaugh:

[thewebweazel]

Hi everyone,

 

I came across this information ....................... each state?

 

Main skills page:

workplace.gov.au - Skill Shortages

 

State and Territory Skills Shortage:

workplace.gov.au - State and Territory Skill Shortages

 

Skills Shortage Occupational Reports:

workplace.gov.au - Occupational Reports

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

Hey Mark, You are a Biscuit M8! This is exactly what I'm looking for!! Lets hope that they draw up the New SOL from this!!

[Guest physiomitch]

Know what you mean webweazl! I was about to put in a 175, but now the MODL is gone, so are my 10 points to make up the 120, now the only other options are 176 or Work visa, then apply for residency. Fortunately I have skills assessment from NZ so have back door option, but would prefer to go straight to OZ, do not pass go, do not collect R200! Now have IELTS lined up for 6/3, this was to make up the 120 total as well, but if 176 is the only means in, might not need that. Seems like we are stuck in limbo again...have been in UK for 8.5 yrs...from SA, not quite knowing what the future brings. Now as soon as we make a decision we get a slap in the face from DIAC. Ouch!

 

Oh well, got to keep trying, the sun is calling!:cool:

[Guest mcl07]

No worries thewebweazle, I have never been called a Biscuit before ... definitely been called a lot worse though! I had actually been looking for that info since I heard about the new SOL. Likewise I hope things stay the same. From reading the IT skills shortage info from the ICT, QLD appears to be state that is most likely to need 'general' IT professionals for a few more years. As that is where we would like to settle we hope that we do stand a slim chance of getting over there.

 

It was interesting reading on each state reports regarding IT skills, that employers do get a lot of job applications from overseas people (many of them intended migrants). However the reports advise that employers rarely sponsor or offer positions to would be migrants due to: 'the costs involved', 'indefinite timescales for visa processing', 'applicants were not Australian' and in some cases because 'applicants had difficulty in communicating'. Unless you have a unique specialisation then employee sponsorship visas appear to be quite rare occurances (in IT at least).

[Guest auzzycrazzy]

Hi Parkinfour,

 

After contacting our migration agent they have very tentatively suggested that if we pass the ACS skills assessment then we should look to submit under the current SOL list. Our agent said they would hope to have more information on how we should proceed once we are ready to submit the visa application in a month or so time.

 

Unfortunately, my job (software tester\test analyst) has never been on the CSL or MODL list and I really can't see that changing under the new rules given the nature of the job. I only managed the 120pts due to the extra points for passing the IELTS English course.

 

Therefore I think we may just as well submit and then wait and see. I know it is a gamble, but the whole process seems to be a gamble at the minute. The worst case is that our application gets declined or we get similar treatment to the unfortunate pre 1st Sept 2007 applicants, where at the very least we would get the visa money back.

 

In the meantime my girlfriend and I have decided that we should continue to live life as we want to in the UK. If we do end up getting a visa then the validation period and terms of the actual visa means we would have a year or so to sell up\move. Obviously it is easier for us at the minute as we do not have any children to consider. If we did then I do not know what we would have done.

 

What do you think you will end up doing?

 

Mark

I am really surprised that QA Analyst/Test Analyst is not CSL, there are numerous opportunities in Australia, and we cannot see a lot of QA Analysts like developers (We should bring this up to relevant people)

I daily see a lot of vacancies

My husband is also a QA Analyst

We are one step ahead of you we are 176 Family sponsored

My main worry is, since this occupation is not on current CSL it might not be on the new SOL

[grainne73]

Hi everyone,

 

I came across this information on the governments workplace website (apologies if it has already been published elsewhere on PIO). It details skills shortages in each state. You would hope that they may provide a few suggestions as to what may be on the new skills list for each state. As you will be able to see from the publishing dates the information relates to 2009. I presume Skills Australia may well produce a skills list based on this years reports from each state?

 

Main skills page:

workplace.gov.au - Skill Shortages

 

State and Territory Skills Shortage:

workplace.gov.au - State and Territory Skill Shortages

 

Skills Shortage Occupational Reports:

workplace.gov.au - Occupational Reports

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

 

I'm hoping not.... as I dont see Carpenter in the WA list.:shocked:

[Guest Thomasclan]

Hi Parkinfour,

 

What qualification have you got for Program Administrator? A degree & when did you get it? When did you get passed by VETASSESS? Don't know what to do as obtaining AQF Diploma in Business Admin. Need another year experience I think before I apply?

 

Mark

[Guest gazzman]

Like you Carl, I too am waiting for WA SS and have been told mid March, I was advised by agent not to apply for 176 till SS came through, now wondering if I send it in will it still be processed, I am in a race against time as 45 in July so can't afford to wait for the new sol to come into effect

 

Hi I am also awaiting ss WA witch is due any day now but my agant apply for 176 the same day and said I am in the 176 que .All the agent will do is add the ss to application when it is through I hope this helps Gary

[Carlos fandango]

Hi I am also awaiting ss WA witch is due any day now but my agant apply for 176 the same day and said I am in the 176 que .All the agent will do is add the ss to application when it is through I hope this helps Gary

 

With respect.......... it seems such a risk to apply for a 176 visa without actually having received you WA SS yet, (unless you have enough points, as now, to apply for a 175 visa in which case your application would stand ) but hopefully your agent knows what he's doing !!!!!!!!.

[Alan Collett]

With respect.......... it seems such a risk to apply for a 176 visa without actually having received you WA SS yet, (unless you have enough points, as now, to apply for a 175 visa in which case your application would stand ) but hopefully your agent knows what he's doing !!!!!!!!.

 

At the moment skilled visa strategy is becoming an exercise in risk management - it might be more of a risk to delay lodging a subclass 175 visa application in anticipation of State or Territory Sponsorship (and transitioning to a subclass 176) than waiting for State/Territory Sponsorship before lodging the visa application.

 

This is where a good migration agent can add value, so that intending visa applicants can make informed decisions.

 

Best regards.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi Alan

 

This is where a good migration agent can add value, so that intending visa applicants can make informed decisions.

 

 

How? There is no adequate information, so how can anybody make an "informed" decision?

 

The only thing that anyone will get from anyone else is a guess. The guess might or might not turn out to be right.

 

I'm not in this game for the money. You are.

 

I have nothing to lose from warning caution. You have a business to lose from doing so.

 

I think that visa applicants need to know THE WHOLE of the truth. Don't you?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Alan Collett]

Which do you consider is the bigger risk, Gill:

 

1. Lodging an offshore skilled visa application now on the basis that the application appears on the SOL (as presently constituted), and the transitional provisions in the legislation affirm statements made on the DIAC website, or

 

2. Wait until the new SOL is published, when one's occupation may not appear - by which time it may well be too late to lodge a skilled visa application.

 

Over the years in which I have been in business as a migration advisor I have a pretty reasonable success rate at calling these issues. I know a few other migration advisors have a similar track record.

 

Indeed, as a firm we have given a lot of thought over the last few days about how best to advise clients - saying and doing nothing isn't a sensible option (in my humble view). I am happy we are counselling our clients in such a manner that they are aware of the issues and can make informed decisions.

 

Best regards.

[thewebweazel]

2. Wait until the new SOL is published, when one's occupation may not appear - by which time it may well be too late to lodge a skilled visa application.

Hi Alan, The way that I read it, I'm under the impression that there will be a window between the 30th April when they publish the New SOL and Mid 2010 when they implement it there will still be an opportunity to submit on the OLD SOL, or have I got it wrong?