Skill Assessment Negative

[Gaurav Raheja]

Hello Members,

I am working as a hotel or motel manager on 457 visa and I am looking forward to apply for subclass 190, and i need to have skill assessment for that. I have worked as a Assistant Manger for front office for almost 5 years and in total i have 10 years of experience and having hotel management Diploma''s as well however still I have received the negative skill assessment. 

Can anyone would be able to advice me that where I have gone wrong ?

Thanks

[VERYSTORMY]

Did you meet the criteria? If it says you must have a certain amount of years xperience, have you got that a a manager, as a assistant manager probably isn't enough

[Gaurav Raheja]

Yes, i have met the criteria, it says experience on skill level that means it should be on any managerial level....

[lothar]

What did the skills assessment say was wrong?

[Gaurav Raheja]

I have worked as a Manager for more than 5 years in 5 Star Hotel level like Hyatt, Accor etc. Below is the response from Vetasses :

A Hotel or Motel Manager organises and controls the operations of a hotel or motel to provide guest accommodation, meals and other services. Clear evidence of tasks performed at the required managerial level with primary responsibility in organising and controlling the operations of a hotel including reservations, reception, housekeeping, security, bar and restaurant and human resource management should be demonstrated. Based on the documents provided, your roles as an Assistant Front Desk Manager, Duty Manager, and Assistant Manager Front Office do not demonstrate that you held ultimate responsibility for all operations and services offered by the hotel. Therefore, your paid employment has been assessed below the skill level required of the nominated occupation. Unfortunately, based on the above, the overall result of your skills assessment is negative. A positive assessment of both qualifications and employment is required for a positive Skills Assessment Outcome. Skills Assessment Outcome: Negative Based on the evidence provided, the qualifications and/or employment described above do not meet the Skills Assessment requirements of your nominated occupation. 

[Marisawright]

Did you read the response carefully?  You say you were an ASSISTANT manager. These are the problem areas:

• The Hotel or Motel Manager...CONTROLS the operations of a hotel 
• Clear evidence of tasks performed at the REQUIRED managerial level (not just any managerial level)

The response says,  "your roles as an Assistant Front Desk Manager, Duty Manager, and Assistant Manager Front Office do not demonstrate that you held ultimate responsibility for all operations and services offered by the hotel."

If you are an assistant, you do not have full control.  You are only assisting the person who has full control. You are not in charge, you don't make the decisions on how the hotel is run - your Manager makes those decisions and you follow.  The buck does not stop with you.

Does that make sense?

[Gaurav Raheja]

Thanks for the response. However, I have few following things to understand. I am sponsored on 457 as a hotel or Motel manager occupation first thing, Second thing is 

This is one of the website says,

Hotel or Motel Manager Immigration to Australia PR Visa

• 
  
• Alternative Titles:
  • Hotelier 
    Publican
  
  Organises and controls the operations of a hotel or motel to provide guest accommodation, meals and other services. Registration or licensing may be required.

  Skill Level: 2

  Specialisations:

  • Duty Manager (Hotel) 
    Resort Manager

The position as duty manager, assistant manager front office, or assistant front desk manager are same the similar roles, this is my one point.

Second point is :

 

This below is posted in hotel or motel manager in vetasses website, my point here is the underline point says one year of post qualification experience at an appropriate skill level. In order to reach that ultimate position to control the hotel operations, it takes 15 to 20 years time. It doesn't happen in 1 year. Whereas they are saying only 1 year post qualification, in 1 year no one can come to the higher position it would be starting position. I have had friends who have less number of experience and worked in the smaller position but they have had their skill assessment done

Hotel or Motel Manager (Diploma Level) (ANZSCO Code 141311)

 

This occupation requires a qualification assessed as comparable to the educational level of an Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF) Diploma, in a field highly relevant to the nominated occupation.

 

In addition to this, applicants must have at least one year of post-qualification employment at an appropriate skill level completed in the last five years in a field which is highly relevant to the nominated occupation. If employment is not post-qualification, then three additional years of highly relevant employment are required.

 

If the qualification is not in a highly relevant field, two years of employment at an appropriate skill level, completed in the last five years which is highly relevant to the nominated occupation is required. This is reduced to one year if there is an additional qualification at least at AQF Certificate IV level in a highly relevant field.

 

A positive assessment of both qualifications and employment is required for a positive Skills Assessment Outcome.

A highly relevant field of study would be Hospitality Management, which is the study of managing the operations of organisations which provide hospitality services (ASCED).

Tourism/Events Management Studies without relevant subjects in Hospitality/Hotel Management would not usually be considered positively for this occupation.

Please note that employment as Restaurant Manager on its own will not be positively assessed for Hotel or Motel Manager as it better matches the separately listed occupation of 141111 Café or Restaurant Manager.

For visa-related requirements including caveats that may apply for certain occupations, please visit the Department of Home Affairs website

[elderberry]

A Hotel or Motel Manager organises and controls the operations of a hotel or motel to provide guest accommodation, meals and other services. Clear evidence of tasks performed at the required managerial level with primary responsibility in organising and controlling the operations of a hotel including reservations, reception, housekeeping, security, bar and restaurant and human resource management should be demonstrated. Based on the documents provided, your roles as an Assistant Front Desk Manager, Duty Manager, and Assistant Manager Front Office do not demonstrate that you held ultimate responsibility for all operations and services offered by the hotel. Therefore, your paid employment has been assessed below the skill level required of the nominated occupation. Unfortunately, based on the above, the overall result of your skills assessment is negative. A positive assessment of both qualifications and employment is required for a positive Skills Assessment Outcome. Skills Assessment Outcome: Negative Based on the evidence provided, the qualifications and/or employment described above do not meet the Skills Assessment requirements of your nominated occupation. 

 

I think it is quite clear from their response why you failed the skills assessment, you didn't provide clear evidence, you don't have primary or ultimate responsibility. A job title is irrellevant, the activities performed is what is important. There is a strong view here in Australia now that the 457 system has been abused, so unless you can provide the required evidence at the right level to get PR you can't expect it to make any difference that you are here on a 457. If your friends are getting through it suggests abuse of the system, or maybe they are using a migration agent to ensure they provide all the correct documentation. 

 

I fear you may now join the large number of people I am seeing here in Australia that cannot continue to live here and have to accept that the 457 is and always was a temporary visa and leave the country on expiration.

[Marisawright]

10 hours ago, Gaurav Raheja said:

Thanks for the response. However, I have few following things to understand. I am sponsored on 457 as a hotel or Motel manager occupation first thing, Second thing is 

The position as duty manager, assistant manager front office, or assistant front desk manager are same the similar roles, this is my one point.

So, you are saying that on your 457, you have been working as the Hotel Manager, not as an assistant manager?   Did you put that on your application?  How many years have you been working as a Hotel Manager?  

I'm sure you're right that it would be hard to get promoted to Hotel Manager within a year of qualifying, but I'm afraid Vetassess doesn't care about that.  That is just the minimum years of experience required.  If the rules say an assistant position is not enough, then it's not enough, I'm afraid.  The fact that friends have got through makes no difference - the rules are getting more strict all the time.

[Gaurav Raheja]

My title is Assistant Manager on 457 but it is nominated as hotel or motel manager, I have been working for 2 years and 6 months on 457 visa, Yes I have put that in my application, There is not such any rule about the position, all what they saying experience as an appropriate skill level which I have been on.. I understand the rules are getting bit stricter day by day.......I need to find the way to put the case in more clearer way and I am not sure how it would happen....

[VERYSTORMY]

If your job title is assistant manager. Then you do not qualify. 

[elderberry]

2 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said:

If your job title is assistant manager. Then you do not qualify. 

I agree I'm afraid

[JetBlast]

Based on what I have seen here you haven't demonstrated how you meet their requirements.

[Alilalani85]

Hi Gaurav, 

Did you end up assist your degree ?

I am in the same boat, I am working as a assistant manager (duty manager) for Accor group.

If you could help me with your past experience, I would be really thank-full to you.

 

 

[VERYSTORMY]

3 hours ago, Alilalani85 said:

Hi Gaurav, 

Did you end up assist your degree ?

I am in the same boat, I am working as a assistant manager (duty manager) for Accor group.

If you could help me with your past experience, I would be really thank-full to you.

 

 

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