Needtoknow Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hi everyone. We were thinking about applying for 457 visa (after getting a job offer) then came across this visa. What is the 186? It says there are 3 paths.One is for the 457 holder to become permanent after 2 years and the other says 'direct entry scheme'. What does this mean? We are wondering if we would be eligible? A little background might help....The reason we are going for 457 rather than 489 (or other more permanent visas) is because we haven't got time due to approaching 45 and because we would struggle to get enough primary or secondary evidence for a job my partner did, as the company went bust. So if this visa requires the same skills assessment that the 489 visa then we will revert back to the 457 idea. The DIBP website has a visa section and it says briefly what the requirements are. For the 457 it says you have to be sponsored by a business and have the skills required...and for the 186 it says to be under 50, be sponsored and meet the skills, quals and English requirements (but there is no mention of a skills test) so advice on this would be really helpful. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggieMay24 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 A 457 is a temporary employer-sponsored visa (maximum 4 years) and a 186 is a permanent employer-sponsored visa. If you can find an employer willing and able to sponsor you on the 186 through the direct entry stream, you could bypass the temporary residency altogether and go right to a PR visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northshorepom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I've never heard of a new employer, who doesn't know you, sponsoring a PR visa straight off the bat. Why would you do that as an employer, when with a 457 you pay a lot less and the process takes a few weeks rather than 6+ months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 A 457 is a temporary employer-sponsored visa (maximum 4 years) and a 186 is a permanent employer-sponsored visa. If you can find an employer willing and able to sponsor you on the 186 through the direct entry stream, you could bypass the temporary residency altogether and go right to a PR visa. Thank you, but does that mean we have to do the same skills assessment we would have been asked to do for a 489 visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 I've never heard of a new employer, who doesn't know you, sponsoring a PR visa straight off the bat. Why would you do that as an employer, when with a 457 you pay a lot less and the process takes a few weeks rather than 6+ months? Yes it does sound highly unlikely doesn't it! Really worrying about this but all we can do is try. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hi everyone. We were thinking about applying for 457 visa (after getting a job offer) then came across this visa. What is the 186? It says there are 3 paths.One is for the 457 holder to become permanent after 2 years and the other says 'direct entry scheme'. What does this mean? We are wondering if we would be eligible? A little background might help....The reason we are going for 457 rather than 489 (or other more permanent visas) is because we haven't got time due to approaching 45 and because we would struggle to get enough primary or secondary evidence for a job my partner did, as the company went bust. So if this visa requires the same skills assessment that the 489 visa then we will revert back to the 457 idea. The DIBP website has a visa section and it says briefly what the requirements are. For the 457 it says you have to be sponsored by a business and have the skills required...and for the 186 it says to be under 50, be sponsored and meet the skills, quals and English requirements (but there is no mention of a skills test) so advice on this would be really helpful. Thank you. In one of your other threads you talked about getting the 457 then after being with that employer for 2 years, getting PR. The 186 is he visa you would be getting PR on. If you work for the employer for two years and they are then willing to sponsor you for PR you don't need the skills assessment. Thats why it was being talked about in your other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 In one of your other threads you talked about getting the 457 then after being with that employer for 2 years, getting PR. The 186 is he visa you would be getting PR on.If you work for the employer for two years and they are then willing to sponsor you for PR you don't need the skills assessment. Thats why it was being talked about in your other thread. Yes I realise what the 457 is and the possible route to PR (thanks to you all on here), but it looks like there's a possibility of a better visa ie: 186 permanent? When I looked at immi website it said 'direct entry' and looked like you can get PR without skills assessments, etc. Am I reading it wrong or missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 It is probably only highly specialised (hard to fill in Aus) positions that would attract a direct entry into PR from a sponsored route. Whey don't you start your addition additional year for your degree then apply for the independent PR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyNook Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Yes I realise what the 457 is and the possible route to PR (thanks to you all on here), but it looks like there's a possibility of a better visa ie: 186 permanent? When I looked at immi website it said 'direct entry' and looked like you can get PR without skills assessments, etc. Am I reading it wrong or missing something? Not sure if you're missing something but: The 186 direct entry stream needs a skills assessment - and an employer willing to offer it, which is unlikely. The 186 temp residence transition stream (i.e. following on from a 457) does not need a skills assessment - because you have been doing the job already for 2 years therefore don't have to prove your skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not sure if you're missing something but: The 186 direct entry stream needs a skills assessment - and an employer willing to offer it, which is unlikely. The 186 temp residence transition stream (i.e. following on from a 457) does not need a skills assessment - because you have been doing the job already for 2 years therefore don't have to prove your skills. Thanks NickyNook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 It is probably only highly specialised (hard to fill in Aus) positions that would attract a direct entry into PR from a sponsored route. Whey don't you start your addition additional year for your degree then apply for the independent PR I am 47 so it's too late and my OH is approaching the limit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Yes I realise what the 457 is and the possible route to PR (thanks to you all on here), but it looks like there's a possibility of a better visa ie: 186 permanent? When I looked at immi website it said 'direct entry' and looked like you can get PR without skills assessments, etc. Am I reading it wrong or missing something? Thats what the 186 is - the possible route to PR without a skills assessment. You take the 457 at first then after 2 years if your employer agrees you go for the PR on the 186 without needing a skills assessment. To get a 186 straight off you need the skills assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled Pink Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Thats what the 186 is - the possible route to PR without a skills assessment. You take the 457 at first then after 2 years if your employer agrees you go for the PR on the 186 without needing a skills assessment. To get a 186 straight off you need the skills assessment. Unless you are on the exemption list for skills assessment. My husband was (is) so no skills assessment was required for our 186 despite only having been in the 457 for 6 months before we put in for it. Depends what your occupation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needtoknow Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Unless you are on the exemption list for skills assessment. My husband was (is) so no skills assessment was required for our 186 despite only having been in the 457 for 6 months before we put in for it. Depends what your occupation is. Thanks. What makes a person exempt? He is a maintenance manager with mechanical engineering experience of 20+ years. They don't call them engineers in Oz without degree though, so with trade certificates and not a degree it is classed as a fitter position in Oz I think. Would you know if this would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled Pink Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 No, I'm afraid that won't be an exempt occupation - I'll find the list... Here we go: Exemptions for the ENSDirect Entry stream will require applicants to: be nominated as an academic by a university in Australia be nominated as a scientist, researcher or technical specialist by an Australian government scientific agency, including State and Territory government scientific agencies have nominated earnings at least equivalent to the current Australian Taxation Office top individual income tax rate** be in Australia as the holder of a subclass 444 or 461 visa and have worked with their nominating employer in their nominated occupation for the last two years (not including any period of unpaid leave) in the period of three years before the visa application is made. ** The current top individual tax income tax bracket is AUD180 001 as at 1 July 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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